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Post by essexyellows on Jun 19, 2017 11:45:56 GMT
Just to counter the waffle on the other thread.
I have never met a more down to earth Club chairman who is happy to discuss most things face to face with the "punters". He has taken a wreck, salvaged it a bit, and is probably the only person with any sense and the cheque book to carry on that direction. Outside of that he has dealt with all kinds of "chatter" .....from people "ITK" who clearly aren`t, those who thought they could do a better job but couldn`t back it up.
For all those posting on the other thread be careful what you wish for you might just get it......
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Post by Common Villager on Jun 19, 2017 11:50:25 GMT
I used to agree with this (and would still like to), but there's just so much uncertainty surrounding the club at the moment, and I'm not happy to ignore that because Eales is a 'nice guy'.
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Post by whathesaid on Jun 19, 2017 11:51:54 GMT
Someone needs to start one where he shakes it all about.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Jun 19, 2017 11:57:52 GMT
The most damaging thing in the world can be when someone doing a good job gets an indefinite pass. Icarus flew too close to the sun after all. You get praise and respect when it's due and you're not exempt from questioning when the shit hits the fan. That is what is happening right now.
There is a lot of evidence of things going wrong at the moment, and indeed the last six months or so, and people are completely within their rights to want to know what's happening. To scrutinise doesn't always mean to criticise, and even if it does, it might just be warranted.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 19, 2017 12:07:31 GMT
Doesn't need a separate thread. If you don't agree with comments on "Eales out', respond on there.
Maybe being a 'good bloke' isn't enough for the club? Doesn't really matter anyway. The club belongs to Mr Eales. No-one will dissuade him from doing what he wants.
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Post by manorlounger on Jun 19, 2017 12:39:35 GMT
Doesn't need a separate thread. If you don't agree with comments on "Eales out', respond on there. Maybe being a 'good bloke' isn't enough for the club? Doesn't really matter anyway. The club belongs to Mr Eales. No-one will dissuade him from doing what he wants. They've all gone.
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Post by sarge on Jun 19, 2017 12:42:27 GMT
Doesn't need a separate thread. If you don't agree with comments on "Eales out', respond on there. Maybe being a 'good bloke' isn't enough for the club? Doesn't really matter anyway. The club belongs to Mr Eales. No-one will dissuade him from doing what he wants. Slippery currently owns oufc, however oufc belongs to the supporters....managers, players, chairmen etc come and go, but to the fans OURclub is forever
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 19, 2017 12:44:14 GMT
Doesn't need a separate thread. If you don't agree with comments on "Eales out', respond on there. Maybe being a 'good bloke' isn't enough for the club? Doesn't really matter anyway. The club belongs to Mr Eales. No-one will dissuade him from doing what he wants. Slippery currently owns oufc, however oufc belongs to the supporters....managers, players, chairmen etc come and go, but to the fans OURclub is forever Yeh. 'Owns' not 'belongs to.' My error.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jun 19, 2017 12:48:24 GMT
Just to counter the waffle on the other thread. I have never met a more down to earth Club chairman who is happy to discuss most things face to face with the "punters". He has taken a wreck, salvaged it a bit, and is probably the only person with any sense and the cheque book to carry on that direction. Outside of that he has dealt with all kinds of "chatter" .....from people "ITK" who clearly aren`t, those who thought they could do a better job but couldn`t back it up. For all those posting on the other thread be careful what you wish for you might just get it...... I agree. We could have a Tanazanian businessman with an estimated wealth of £200 million, who appears in the Sunday Times rich list and will 'take us on a journey'.
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Post by tbfuth14 on Jun 19, 2017 13:40:35 GMT
I'm just really happy we have fans who aren't happy to sit on the opinion of "well when I met him he seemed nice and down to earth, so how dare you criticism him now".
Everything positive he's done so far is great, thank him for it, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be open for questioning now. Why now you ask? Because he's been undoing everything he put together which made us a success in the first place. Cost cutting has been going on for months now, losing staff in key positions without replacing them, budgets being cut, constant contradictions in press releases, putting unfair expectations on our manager through misleading quotes in the media, the list goes on and it's been discussed to death on here. Fact is, Appleton isn't leaving just for the money, there are clearly more push factors than pull factors in him leaving, and that's absolutely gutting, but more importantly very worrying for the future.
IMO it's absolutely right people question Eales over what's been going on recently, because not only have we lost the best manager our younger fans have ever seen, but with the recent takeover and stadium issues it's the future of our club we're talking about. Yes he's been a nice guy and had a top relationship with fans up until now, but let's see the bigger picture and not villainise fans for raising legitimate concerns. If "Eales Out" could genuinely be for the good of our football club, especially with Sartori waiting in the wings (who isn't a total outsider like some would lead you to believe, he has Oxford connections and was recommended to Eales), then lets ask the questions which need to be asked. "In" to be supportive, "out" to show concern, these are just fans that care about their football club.
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Post by Young Money on Jun 19, 2017 14:14:28 GMT
The most damaging thing in the world can be when someone doing a good job gets an indefinite pass. Icarus flew too close to the sun after all. You get praise and respect when it's due and you're not exempt from questioning when the shit hits the fan. That is what is happening right now. There is a lot of evidence of things going wrong at the moment, and indeed the last six months or so, and people are completely within their rights to want to know what's happening. To scrutinise doesn't always mean to criticise, and even if it does, it might just be warranted. The Icarus analogy is an interesting one, but I'm not sure it's entirely correct. Perhaps a better one would be we were all lost in the forest, snow, wolves circling, and DE came along and rescued us, took us to a warm land, plentiful food... now it looked like we were about to go to an even better one, full of milk and honey, but we're in a bit of a grey, bare area at the moment... not sure what's going to happen. Yet some in the group are calling for us to stop following him! Personally I'd stick behind someone who's done what they've done for us so far, albeit cautiously. Especially when our voices are very unlikely to have much effect anyway!
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Jun 19, 2017 14:20:50 GMT
The most damaging thing in the world can be when someone doing a good job gets an indefinite pass. Icarus flew too close to the sun after all. You get praise and respect when it's due and you're not exempt from questioning when the shit hits the fan. That is what is happening right now. There is a lot of evidence of things going wrong at the moment, and indeed the last six months or so, and people are completely within their rights to want to know what's happening. To scrutinise doesn't always mean to criticise, and even if it does, it might just be warranted. The Icarus analogy is an interesting one, but I'm not sure it's entirely correct. Perhaps a better one would be we were all lost in the forest, snow, wolves circling, and DE came along and rescued us, took us to a warm land, plentiful food... now it looked like we were about to go to an even better one, full of milk and honey, but we're in a bit of a grey, bare area at the moment... not sure what's going to happen. Yet some in the group are calling for us to stop following him! Personally I'd stick behind someone who's done what they've done for us so far, albeit cautiously. Especially when our voices are very unlikely to have much effect anyway! I'm not up for hounding someone out, I just don't think it's any healthier to blindly follow someone because they did good things before. Complacency and blind faith can be just as dangerous. Everyone needs judging on the here and now as much as they need praising for yesterday. FWIW I am in neither camp. I am in the camp that believes there are things that need addressing and clearing up, that there is reason to be genuinely concerned and that it is up to Eales to now prove he's got what it takes to keep things straight and on the right path. It's all pretty straight forward, really.
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Post by lambchop on Jun 19, 2017 15:14:01 GMT
Doesn't need a separate thread. If you don't agree with comments on "Eales out', respond on there. Maybe being a 'good bloke' isn't enough for the club? Doesn't really matter anyway. The club belongs to Mr Eales. No-one will dissuade him from doing what he wants. Slippery currently owns oufc, however oufc belongs to the supporters....managers, players, chairmen etc come and go, but to the fans OURclub is forever I wish FK would take the hint and Foxtrot Oscar
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Post by anotherdevonyellow on Jun 19, 2017 15:25:41 GMT
Just to counter the waffle on the other thread. I have never met a more down to earth Club chairman who is happy to discuss most things face to face with the "punters". He has taken a wreck, salvaged it a bit, and is probably the only person with any sense and the cheque book to carry on that direction. Outside of that he has dealt with all kinds of "chatter" .....from people "ITK" who clearly aren`t, those who thought they could do a better job but couldn`t back it up. For all those posting on the other thread be careful what you wish for you might just get it......
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Post by anotherdevonyellow on Jun 19, 2017 15:27:42 GMT
I agree with your idea of a positive thread. The last three seasons would have been quite different without him. I may not know enough to judge but from the experience of supporting the club over 50 years I rate DE highly.
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Jun 19, 2017 16:37:30 GMT
I agree with your idea of a positive thread. The last three seasons would have been quite different without him. I may not know enough to judge but from the experience of supporting the club over 50 years I rate DE highly. Exactly this.
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Post by yellowfellow on Jun 20, 2017 10:38:33 GMT
I'm just really happy we have fans who aren't happy to sit on the opinion of "well when I met him he seemed nice and down to earth, so how dare you criticism him now". Everything positive he's done so far is great, thank him for it, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be open for questioning now. Why now you ask? Because he's been undoing everything he put together which made us a success in the first place. Cost cutting has been going on for months now, losing staff in key positions without replacing them, budgets being cut, constant contradictions in press releases, putting unfair expectations on our manager through misleading quotes in the media, the list goes on and it's been discussed to death on here. Fact is, Appleton isn't leaving just for the money, there are clearly more push factors than pull factors in him leaving, and that's absolutely gutting, but more importantly very worrying for the future. IMO it's absolutely right people question Eales over what's been going on recently, because not only have we lost the best manager our younger fans have ever seen, but with the recent takeover and stadium issues it's the future of our club we're talking about. Yes he's been a nice guy and had a top relationship with fans up until now, but let's see the bigger picture and not villainise fans for raising legitimate concerns. If "Eales Out" could genuinely be for the good of our football club, especially with Sartori waiting in the wings (who isn't a total outsider like some would lead you to believe, he has Oxford connections and was recommended to Eales), then lets ask the questions which need to be asked. "In" to be supportive, "out" to show concern, these are just fans that care about their football club. Totally agree that it's healthy to ask questions and to challenge. Hence these genuine questions: Does this mean that Sartori is essentially the front man for another group of people? And is it in the interests of those people for DE to be cast as the villain?
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Post by tbfuth14 on Jun 20, 2017 11:16:00 GMT
I'm just really happy we have fans who aren't happy to sit on the opinion of "well when I met him he seemed nice and down to earth, so how dare you criticism him now". Everything positive he's done so far is great, thank him for it, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be open for questioning now. Why now you ask? Because he's been undoing everything he put together which made us a success in the first place. Cost cutting has been going on for months now, losing staff in key positions without replacing them, budgets being cut, constant contradictions in press releases, putting unfair expectations on our manager through misleading quotes in the media, the list goes on and it's been discussed to death on here. Fact is, Appleton isn't leaving just for the money, there are clearly more push factors than pull factors in him leaving, and that's absolutely gutting, but more importantly very worrying for the future. IMO it's absolutely right people question Eales over what's been going on recently, because not only have we lost the best manager our younger fans have ever seen, but with the recent takeover and stadium issues it's the future of our club we're talking about. Yes he's been a nice guy and had a top relationship with fans up until now, but let's see the bigger picture and not villainise fans for raising legitimate concerns. If "Eales Out" could genuinely be for the good of our football club, especially with Sartori waiting in the wings (who isn't a total outsider like some would lead you to believe, he has Oxford connections and was recommended to Eales), then lets ask the questions which need to be asked. "In" to be supportive, "out" to show concern, these are just fans that care about their football club. Totally agree that it's healthy to ask questions and to challenge. Hence these genuine questions: Does this mean that Sartori is essentially the front man for another group of people? And is it in the interests of those people for DE to be cast as the villain?No, well I'd be very surprised. And any pressure on Eales from fans for any reason would probably help their negotiations to a degree I imagine.
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Post by androidyellow2 on Jun 20, 2017 22:29:01 GMT
Thought i'd reserve my opinion until now, but that statement from Daryl was superb. Shut down the critics without being overly harsh or putting it in a way to dig at the fans aswell as keeping me filled with positivity. Daryl is the man we want to lead the football club, without him none of this would be possible. He brought MApp in, he brought the recruitment team in, he brings the players in that have been scouted. And he does all that without complaining and yet gets a barrage of abuse from fans when we've had owners such as kassam. We need to get a manager in ASAP but until then, in Eales we trust, best owner we've ever had.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 21, 2017 5:34:45 GMT
When we've had owners like Kassam, yet trust eales who has just tried to flog the club back to that very man. 🤔
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Post by grumpygit on Jun 21, 2017 5:41:33 GMT
We are fans, Eales is the owner, he can do want he wants. i feel far happier with him in charge than others who have gone before.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 21, 2017 5:42:52 GMT
He cAn totally do what he wants but I bet a lot of the people defending his actions would be the first complaining of firoz took over
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Post by grenobleroad on Jun 21, 2017 5:58:05 GMT
When we've had owners like Kassam, yet trust eales who has just tried to flog the club back to that very man. 🤔 You actually got any evidence of this?
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Post by dabigfella on Jun 21, 2017 6:16:34 GMT
Looking back at the various threads I am amazed at the rampant speculation and accusations all based on little or no evidence whatsoever! Theere are a lot of over active imaginations hanging around on this site.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 21, 2017 6:23:22 GMT
When we've had owners like Kassam, yet trust eales who has just tried to flog the club back to that very man. 🤔 You actually got any evidence of this? There is evidence he tried to sell it to Stewart. He said as much in his own post. And if your willing to listen to the then the noises are worrying. The have u got evidence argument is rubbish, as you know as well as I do that the only people with evidence of that would be Darryl and firoz. If your not worried, great. I'm as you know normally very positive about anything oufc. But I've heard enough, and have seen enough things come to light that are fact, to believe what I'm told.
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Post by grenobleroad on Jun 21, 2017 6:30:41 GMT
You actually got any evidence of this? There is evidence he tried to sell it to Stewart. He said as much in his own post. And if your willing to listen to the then the noises are worrying. The have u got evidence argument is rubbish, as you know as well as I do that the only people with evidence of that would be Darryl and firoz. If your not worried, great. I'm as you know normally very positive about anything oufc. But I've heard enough, and have seen enough things come to light that are fact, to believe what I'm told. You're welcome to believe what you want. Personally I need a bit more then that as evidence so was hoping you could provide more then that.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 21, 2017 6:37:47 GMT
Afraid not, it's one of those things where u hear it and dismiss it, then u hear from a few different places and it makes u start to wonder, then U hear from someone who has been right on many things in the past and u trust. And not only that but it then starts to tie in with a lot of other things going on. I would say that this is probably the least worrying info to come out of the club. But I'm fully aware there can be a fine line between rumour and conspiracy and fact. I've stayed away from the name calling and stuff as I don't want it to be an agenda against Darryl. My only concerns and interests are oufc, that would be the same if it's Darryl in charge or firoz. Maybe more people would have been supportive of him and blind to what he was doing if he had actually achieved success on the pitch
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Post by londonroader on Jun 21, 2017 6:57:35 GMT
Just to counter the waffle on the other thread. I have never met a more down to earth Club chairman who is happy to discuss most things face to face with the "punters". He has taken a wreck, salvaged it a bit, and is probably the only person with any sense and the cheque book to carry on that direction. Outside of that he has dealt with all kinds of "chatter" .....from people "ITK" who clearly aren`t, those who thought they could do a better job but couldn`t back it up. For all those posting on the other thread be careful what you wish for you might just get it...... A veiled threat, really! So your saying now that DE might walk away from the club, interesting.. Not unless he gets his money back first, as he has said in the best interests of OUFC. People support DE,some are not so supportive, that's their choice on how they find him, I don't like the divisive element that's been brought into all this, if you don't back DE 100% you are not a true OUFC fan, it's all wrong it should be we are Oxford United supporters who have an owner in Daryl and a stadium owner in Firoz, not the split factions of individuals picking away at each other trying to prove their right and others are wrong, everyone in these factions can be right at a certain time but also wrong at certain times no body is perfect at our club and it might be a time to step back and stop all this in fighting, it can't be healthy and will only fester over time. We are supposed to be OUFC supporters. Not DE, FK, MA, IL, CW, KT, JM, DB, and anyone else that starts the infighting between the fans, I'm all for opinions and like to see debate but the constant dribble of peeps trying to get the last word in to justify that they are right gets boring.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 13:27:00 GMT
Just a quick observation. The more vocal Eales in / out debaters are generally outers or posters who are not happy with DE.
I think many, including myself are willing to see how things pan out and are less likely to get involved in a debate.
I'm a mushroom, I'm an ostrich and happy being that way. I actually don't come on the forum to debate, mainly in the hope for information, for which there is little of none of any value. It's mostly supposition.
Just over a year ago, we'd got promoted and MOST appeared happy, since January (actually, more likely since the fallout with DE & Oxvox) the tables have turned, predominantly on social media. Whereas in reality, of the 4000+ season ticket renewals I'd be willing to bet that more are happy with DE's overall performance than those who aren't. That's just what I think.
In fact I sometimes miss the days of Patto et al when the likes of LondonRoader and few others actually did have interesting snippets.
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Post by Toeby on Jun 21, 2017 14:04:33 GMT
I'm just really happy we have fans who aren't happy to sit on the opinion of "well when I met him he seemed nice and down to earth, so how dare you criticism him now". Everything positive he's done so far is great, thank him for it, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be open for questioning now. Why now you ask? Because he's been undoing everything he put together which made us a success in the first place. Cost cutting has been going on for months now, losing staff in key positions without replacing them, budgets being cut, constant contradictions in press releases, putting unfair expectations on our manager through misleading quotes in the media, the list goes on and it's been discussed to death on here. Fact is, Appleton isn't leaving just for the money, there are clearly more push factors than pull factors in him leaving, and that's absolutely gutting, but more importantly very worrying for the future. IMO it's absolutely right people question Eales over what's been going on recently, because not only have we lost the best manager our younger fans have ever seen, but with the recent takeover and stadium issues it's the future of our club we're talking about. Yes he's been a nice guy and had a top relationship with fans up until now, but let's see the bigger picture and not villainise fans for raising legitimate concerns. If "Eales Out" could genuinely be for the good of our football club, especially with Sartori waiting in the wings (who isn't a total outsider like some would lead you to believe, he has Oxford connections and was recommended to Eales), then lets ask the questions which need to be asked. "In" to be supportive, "out" to show concern, these are just fans that care about their football club. Totally agree that it's healthy to ask questions and to challenge. Hence these genuine questions: Does this mean that Sartori is essentially the front man for another group of people? And is it in the interests of those people for DE to be cast as the villain? I'd be shocked if Sartori's 'Oxford connection' wasn't something to do with Charlie Methven. After all, didn't Charlie do some PR work for Sartori? I'm sure a link popped up on this forum somewhere that confirmed this.
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