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Post by dabigfella on Apr 6, 2017 7:04:03 GMT
Actually I thought that was vintage Appleton performance. Lots and lots of pretty/pretty, tippy/tappy , shot shy and ineffective action. Finally losing the ball after 40 to 50 ineffective passes and being beaten by a break away goal the opposition didn't really deserve. I thought Appleton had got over that phase in the first year. But it's creeping back again. The main reason for this is the failure to effectively replace Roofe and Hylton with effective goal scorers. Unfortunately Hemmings has proven not to be that replacement (though I think his abilities have not been used in the best way). The off season must be about finding at least one and preferably two effective goal scorers who can actually shoot from distance. Oh, and a left footed centreback might be useful as well.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 6, 2017 7:12:11 GMT
For all the mapp bashing, which some is fair, his two faults for me being not playing wingers on their proper side(or not at all). And not being a reactive mangers, subs are always on 62 mins and I have a feeling have been lately planned for that time before the game rather than reacting to a game. I.e. Moving Johno forward at Wembley at half time. Still comes down to one thing for me, the last two games while the team selection has been questioned , we have still had more than enough to win the game, it's the players that have let us down in the last two games not the manager picking them.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Apr 6, 2017 7:57:13 GMT
Furthermore, I would like our manager to occasionally do something during a game. I'm sick and tired of seeing opposition coaches, whether a team is high or low in the table, spending the entire game dishing out instructions, calling people over, shouting, gesticulating, moving people around and trying to actually impact the game, while Appleton stands with his hands in his pocket saying and doing nothing. Yep - more pointing and shouting should improve team performance! Give me Appleston's cerebral and meticulous approach over a bawling and wild-armed one any day of the week. Do all of the hard-work by preparing on the training ground during the week leading up to the game, devise a plan and trust the players to execute on the field. If they are unable to execute successfully, screaming from the touchlines is unlikely to change this IMO. That said, maybe Apple's use of substitutes could be improved but then it depends on what is available on the bench.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Apr 6, 2017 8:26:52 GMT
MAPP does coach from the dug out but doesn't make it all about him by standing on the pitch waving his arms about. Whether you agree with it or not, his coaching style is about trusting the players and not being a distraction on the sideline. We do need to learn how to deal with teams that sit their midfield in front of the defence. A lot of games recently we've been stuck passing the ball around trying to get into the game but the oppo have compressed the space down.
Some players looked like they hit the wall last night. Lunny looked dead on his feet, Marv looked jaded. The club really need to look hard at the squad composition to help players get rest.
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Post by highlights on Apr 6, 2017 8:34:50 GMT
Just a note from a coach here - the changes you can make from the dugout are minimal. It's almost all for show. Sure, stuff can be tweaked, but you try relaying a complex tactical message to a guy on the other side of the pitch with 7,000 fans yelling. The only chance you get to make changes is at HT, or via subs that relay instructions. Or a fake injury. That happens a lot. Players are often told to go down to break play up, so the manager can reshuffle. You can always spot it, as the entire team head straight to the dugout!
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 6, 2017 8:35:41 GMT
Don't think Marv even do a run last night no change from Sunday, young Canice is definitely one for the future
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Post by diagocostapacket on Apr 6, 2017 9:24:42 GMT
No need to demonstrate your tangible lack of understanding by becoming aggressive and personal. Sometimes when people think you are an idiot its best to remain silent rather than say something and remove all doubt.
I have my opinion as you have yours, no need to spit your dummy out.... so wind your neck in and post a sensible response to my sensible post of why you don't agree with me.
Mapp will not take this club any further than we are currently imo ( unless there is a miracle in the remaining fixtures and if there is I will be the first to shake his hand ) and I'm confident we will be having this same conversation in 12 months time....
In the meantime use your time wisely to learn some new words...
A little while ago a Northampton fan posted on this forum to claim that Appleton hadn't got to them with his 'best in the league' comment, before proceeding to tell us exactly why we weren't he best in the league and how Appleton was an idiot. I said it was the post of the year. I'm not one to usually throw comments around like that willy nilly, but it seems I have jumped the gun far too early. For this I must apologise. So, diago, I must congratulate you on what is undoubtedly (now that I have seen the error in my ways) the best post of the year. Well done. Thanks very much...I try.
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Post by holdsteady on Apr 6, 2017 9:39:52 GMT
MAPP does coach from the dug out but doesn't make it all about him by standing on the pitch waving his arms about. Whether you agree with it or not, his coaching style is about trusting the players and not being a distraction on the sideline. We do need to learn how to deal with teams that sit their midfield in front of the defence. A lot of games recently we've been stuck passing the ball around trying to get into the game but the oppo have compressed the space down. Some players looked like they hit the wall last night. Lunny looked dead on his feet, Marv looked jaded. The club really need to look hard at the squad composition to help players get rest. I think not targeting the b team pot as an easy way to get to Wembley/make money might help as well. But i agree, the squad is short on numbers but also we have areas where we have next to no options given an injury, we have been light up front all season. I realise that we don't have loads of money, so can't have good cover in every position but we have 5 centre midfielders but only one left back (who doesn't play) for instance. My worry for next season is that we are obviously a bit short on quality (Appleton said 3 players recently) and that the acquisitions during the summer might reflect that. If we go with a small squad again i think we will have to put less emphasis on the cups, assuming we want to have a go at getting in the play offs.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 6, 2017 9:50:34 GMT
I'd like to nominate last night's ref as the most incompetent of the season so far. Against stiff competition (Keith Hill, take a bow) he managed to take sheer rubbishness to new depths.
Fouls (and off the ball incidents) constantly missed, free kicks taken from seemingly wherever the players wanted, throw-ins wrongly awarded, inability to see wrestling in the penalty area, an almost complete lack of control in the game, no respect from the players, failure to stop time wasting etc etc.
(Not an excuse for the result. We were quite capable of losing that without any help!)
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Post by socrates on Apr 6, 2017 10:06:49 GMT
One of those horrible situations where I can't tell if you're looking for a nibble or being serious... No quite serious my friend ..Mapps a good Manager, but destined to ply his trade in the lower divisions as are the majority of this current squad. This level is proliferate with Managers of a similar level of ability and they do a sterling job. However, if a club like Oxford with a potential support catchment the size it has, has aspirations of Championship or even Premiership football ( and there's no reason why it shouldn't ) the right man is required.
It has always amazed me why many football league clubs seem to have a lack of understanding that obtaining the signature of the best manager available for the budget seems significantly less important than the moniker of a top striker.
Mapps done the best he can but his limitations and tactical ability are not commensurate with the potential of this club and quite frankly insufficient to get us any further.
I wonder if Mapp might one day argue that this club's limitations (no ground, training ground, disinterested council, massive debts) were not commensurate with his potential? I think you are wrong about Mapp being a manager destined to play his trade in the lower divisions. Although perversely because of the reasons you highlight. He is not a tactical genius. He will very very rarely adapt his team's style for the sake of three points. He will not shout and bawl. But that doesn't make him a poor manager. It just makes him different and more in line with higher echelon coaches. He stamps his style on a team and they play that way hell or high water with the aim of giving players absolute confidence and trust. He is far more of a players' manager than a managers' manager if you get me. They come first and he is desperate for them to be all they can be. That ethos is much more fitting for a big club who have players who don't need to be screamed at or told where to stand. Hence why he will succeed in the Championship one day. He makes an interesting comparison to Wilder in this regard. Wilder is the former style manager, although he does give trust to players and they respect him. But will that take him to the PL? Unlikely. No PL club will pick him up for a gig because he has an old-fashioned style which doesn't fit the modern game. His best chance is taking Sheff Utd there. I'm sorry to bring up Wilder again but the contrast is very, very important. The Wilder era represents the old Oxford. A club which was constantly battling for survival, scraping by on average budgets, playing the percentages to scrape together as many points as possible. We couldn't even afford a scout for chrissakes. The Mapp era represents the new Oxford. They are chalk and cheese. The like of which most Oxford fans have never, ever seen. We have money (I still cannot get over the amount spent on transfer fees) for the first time in my spell watching them. We've got analysts and a whole scouting dept. We sign young pros to make them better, instead of old pros 'to do a job' because that's all we could afford. How did he get us out of blood and thunder Lge 2 then, you say? Well, we spent money. And we spent it wisely. Important: I am not decrying the job the managers did in the 'old' era. Wilder, D Smith, Horton did superbly with the resources. But the point I'm making about Mapp is that, if you are right and we have the aspirations you say we have and the catchment area (although I struggle to see how that only becomes a advantage once you have either a very good team or a shiny new ground), then he is exactly the STYLE of manager this STYLE of club needs. And there ain't many of them around. I'd be interested who you think should replace him? One day, we may have to go back to the old era because DE won't fund it anymore, Mapp has moved on etc etc. And then we will be looking for the other style of manager again. Like Phil Brown at Southend. He's another great example. And by the way, I say this as having had a real struggle with Mapp as our leader. When he arrived I thought 'wow, wathc us go'. Then after the first season I thought he'd take us down. But I think, finally, I've worked him out. You pays your monies you takes your choice.
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Post by m on Apr 6, 2017 10:25:00 GMT
No quite serious my friend ..Mapps a good Manager, but destined to ply his trade in the lower divisions as are the majority of this current squad. This level is proliferate with Managers of a similar level of ability and they do a sterling job. However, if a club like Oxford with a potential support catchment the size it has, has aspirations of Championship or even Premiership football ( and there's no reason why it shouldn't ) the right man is required.
It has always amazed me why many football league clubs seem to have a lack of understanding that obtaining the signature of the best manager available for the budget seems significantly less important than the moniker of a top striker.
Mapps done the best he can but his limitations and tactical ability are not commensurate with the potential of this club and quite frankly insufficient to get us any further.
I wonder if Mapp might one day argue that this club's limitations (no ground, training ground, disinterested council, massive debts) were not commensurate with his potential? I think you are wrong about Mapp being a manager destined to play his trade in the lower divisions. Although perversely because of the reasons you highlight. He is not a tactical genius. He will very very rarely adapt his team's style for the sake of three points. He will not shout and bawl. But that doesn't make him a poor manager. It just makes him different and more in line with higher echelon coaches. He stamps his style on a team and they play that way hell or high water with the aim of giving players absolute confidence and trust. He is far more of a players' manager than a managers' manager if you get me. They come first and he is desperate for them to be all they can be. That ethos is much more fitting for a big club who have players who don't need to be screamed at or told where to stand. Hence why he will succeed in the Championship one day. He makes an interesting comparison to Wilder in this regard. Wilder is the former style manager, although he does give trust to players and they respect him. But will that take him to the PL? Unlikely. No PL club will pick him up for a gig because he has an old-fashioned style which doesn't fit the modern game. His best chance is taking Sheff Utd there. I'm sorry to bring up Wilder again but the contrast is very, very important. The Wilder era represents the old Oxford. A club which was constantly battling for survival, scraping by on average budgets, playing the percentages to scrape together as many points as possible. We couldn't even afford a scout for chrissakes. The Mapp era represents the new Oxford. They are chalk and cheese. The like of which most Oxford fans have never, ever seen. We have money (I still cannot get over the amount spent on transfer fees) for the first time in my spell watching them. We've got analysts and a whole scouting dept. We sign young pros to make them better, instead of old pros 'to do a job' because that's all we could afford. How did he get us out of blood and thunder Lge 2 then, you say? Well, we spent money. And we spent it wisely. Important: I am not decrying the job the managers did in the 'old' era. Wilder, D Smith, Horton did superbly with the resources. But the point I'm making about Mapp is that, if you are right and we have the aspirations you say we have and the catchment area (although I struggle to see how that only becomes a advantage once you have either a very good team or a shiny new ground), then he is exactly the STYLE of manager this STYLE of club needs. And there ain't many of them around. I'd be interested who you think should replace him? One day, we may have to go back to the old era because DE won't fund it anymore, Mapp has moved on etc etc. And then we will be looking for the other style of manager again. Like Phil Brown at Southend. He's another great example. And by the way, I say this as having had a real struggle with Mapp as our leader. When he arrived I thought 'wow, wathc us go'. Then after the first season I thought he'd take us down. But I think, finally, I've worked him out. You pays your monies you takes your choice. f*cking hell, I actually agree with most of what you've typed. I think that whether OCC are disinterested or uninterested could be debated though.
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Post by ontheup01 on Apr 6, 2017 10:31:51 GMT
Oh well back to the drawing board...I think the club need to invest in a new Manager tbh.. Mapps done a good job but I think its simply a case of this Division being the zenith of his ability. That's not to say he's a bad manager but his limitations are the lower leagues. Very strange decision dropping Edwards this evening particularly bringing in a inexperienced player like CC for such an important match especially more so if Ribeiro was fit to play. Very strange indeed ! Team selection not that strange. After the disappointment of the cup final performance and resulting unhappy 30k fans. Suggest club thought it would win over sone fans by playing a homegrown player. A win win, really if you get a result it's a tactically brilliant move, if you don't no one will critise the selection strongly. Tine now to check out the squad over next 5 games with clusters of appearances and prepare for next season.
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Post by yellowox29 (BANNED) on Apr 6, 2017 11:45:57 GMT
A little while ago a Northampton fan posted on this forum to claim that Appleton hadn't got to them with his 'best in the league' comment, before proceeding to tell us exactly why we weren't he best in the league and how Appleton was an idiot. I said it was the post of the year. I'm not one to usually throw comments around like that willy nilly, but it seems I have jumped the gun far too early. For this I must apologise. So, diago, I must congratulate you on what is undoubtedly (now that I have seen the error in my ways) the best post of the year. Well done. Thanks very much...I try. IMO you should be allowed to express a view that the majority dont agree with, a forum according to OED is "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged"....I not 100% sure I agree with your view though. Mapp has done a very good job vs. budget 16/17. interesting is touting his success, last night stated on radio ox, that oufc have played more games/win than any other team, except Chelsea, and stat wise sunday was a good performance. maybe he is looking for the next job? maybe with budget/stadium issues he is open to agent calls? maybe he feels he has done his time rebuilding his career? who knows....
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Post by yellowsarmy on Apr 6, 2017 11:47:56 GMT
Don't think Marv even do a run last night no change from Sunday, young Canice is definitely one for the future Quite i was very impressed with Candice lots of overlapping runs and some good challenges too a worthy man of the match.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 6, 2017 11:56:16 GMT
Thanks very much...I try. IMO you should be allowed to express a view that the majority dont agree with, a forum according to OED is "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged"....I not 100% sure I agree with your view though. Mapp has done a very good job vs. budget 16/17. interesting is touting his success, last night stated on radio ox, that oufc have played more games/win than any other team, except Chelsea, and stat wise sunday was a good performance. maybe he is looking for the next job? maybe with budget/stadium issues he is open to agent calls? maybe he feels he has done his time rebuilding his career? who knows.... Man Utd
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Post by Gary Baldi on Apr 6, 2017 12:32:13 GMT
MAPP does coach from the dug out but doesn't make it all about him by standing on the pitch waving his arms about. Whether you agree with it or not, his coaching style is about trusting the players and not being a distraction on the sideline. We do need to learn how to deal with teams that sit their midfield in front of the defence. A lot of games recently we've been stuck passing the ball around trying to get into the game but the oppo have compressed the space down. Some players looked like they hit the wall last night. Lunny looked dead on his feet, Marv looked jaded. The club really need to look hard at the squad composition to help players get rest. I think not targeting the b team pot as an easy way to get to Wembley/make money might help as well. But i agree, the squad is short on numbers but also we have areas where we have next to no options given an injury, we have been light up front all season. I realise that we don't have loads of money, so can't have good cover in every position but we have 5 centre midfielders but only one left back (who doesn't play) for instance. My worry for next season is that we are obviously a bit short on quality (Appleton said 3 players recently) and that the acquisitions during the summer might reflect that. If we go with a small squad again i think we will have to put less emphasis on the cups, assuming we want to have a go at getting in the play offs. If the club want to go full tilt at the EFL Trophy, they simply have to better balance the squad next season so that we aren't in a position of making do too much. Sercombe has played over 100 (!) games for a team in less than 2 seasons, Eastwood over 50, etc. It's not sustainable because some players look evermore shattered and less sharp. Injuries are unpredictable, but we had 2 defenders on the pitch last night, with a young player playing out of position at right back. I support the signing of Ledson, but it just further imbalanced the squad.
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Post by socrates on Apr 6, 2017 12:49:51 GMT
Thanks very much...I try. IMO you should be allowed to express a view that the majority dont agree with, a forum according to OED is "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged"....I not 100% sure I agree with your view though. Mapp has done a very good job vs. budget 16/17. interesting is touting his success, last night stated on radio ox, that oufc have played more games/win than any other team, except Chelsea, and stat wise sunday was a good performance. maybe he is looking for the next job? maybe with budget/stadium issues he is open to agent calls? maybe he feels he has done his time rebuilding his career? who knows.... It's not hard to sense unrest in the things he has said. But I don't think he's ready for his next job yet. He needs another season with us and I say that with tinted specs off. He's still very, very young in his career. And after the short-term disasters at his previous 3 clubs you could argue he is only now discovering what it's all about. When we were flying a few weeks back I thought there would be genuine interest from Champ clubs like, say, Cardiff or Wolves if a job came up. But in a year from now (hopefully, because it will mean another strong season), definitely. I would say he has made 2 BIG mistakes this term which he won't make again in a hurry. All part of the learning curve and easy to be wise after the event etc..otherwise he has done a good job. 1 Letting Wright go. Regretted by all sides apparently. The heartbeat of the club in many ways, he was the leader and doer we still miss. And he would have formed a nice partnership with nelson. Might not have been enough for the play-offs but would he have made the ricks that Dunkley has this term? Not on your nelly. The lesson is 'don't be too hasty to break up a wining team'. Don't get me started on Hylton... 2 200k for Hemmings. It's about paying a whopping figure for someone clearly not worth anywhere near that when our remit is to sell on. Who knows what has gone wrong but it will make Mapp 'tighter' with his money in future. There could have been a bit of desperation about it and perhaps he could have shown more patience. Either way, something was not right. For a recruitment dept to have got it so consistently right, blowing 200 big ones on a player that just doesn't fit our system has been bizarre to say the least.
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Post by shosho on Apr 6, 2017 14:06:45 GMT
IMO you should be allowed to express a view that the majority dont agree with, a forum according to OED is "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged"....I not 100% sure I agree with your view though. Mapp has done a very good job vs. budget 16/17. interesting is touting his success, last night stated on radio ox, that oufc have played more games/win than any other team, except Chelsea, and stat wise sunday was a good performance. maybe he is looking for the next job? maybe with budget/stadium issues he is open to agent calls? maybe he feels he has done his time rebuilding his career? who knows.... It's not hard to sense unrest in the things he has said. But I don't think he's ready for his next job yet. He needs another season with us and I say that with tinted specs off. He's still very, very young in his career. And after the short-term disasters at his previous 3 clubs you could argue he is only now discovering what it's all about. When we were flying a few weeks back I thought there would be genuine interest from Champ clubs like, say, Cardiff or Wolves if a job came up. But in a year from now (hopefully, because it will mean another strong season), definitely. I would say he has made 2 BIG mistakes this term which he won't make again in a hurry. All part of the learning curve and easy to be wise after the event etc..otherwise he has done a good job. 1 Letting Wright go. Regretted by all sides apparently. The heartbeat of the club in many ways, he was the leader and doer we still miss. And he would have formed a nice partnership with nelson. Might not have been enough for the play-offs but would he have made the ricks that Dunkley has this term? Not on your nelly. The lesson is 'don't be too hasty to break up a wining team'. Don't get me started on Hylton... 2 200k for Hemmings. It's about paying a whopping figure for someone clearly not worth anywhere near that when our remit is to sell on. Who knows what has gone wrong but it will make Mapp 'tighter' with his money in future. There could have been a bit of desperation about it and perhaps he could have shown more patience. Either way, something was not right. For a recruitment dept to have got it so consistently right, blowing 200 big ones on a player that just doesn't fit our system has been bizarre to say the least. What is our system?
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Post by werthersoriginal on Apr 6, 2017 18:07:02 GMT
IMO you should be allowed to express a view that the majority dont agree with, a forum according to OED is "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged"....I not 100% sure I agree with your view though. Mapp has done a very good job vs. budget 16/17. interesting is touting his success, last night stated on radio ox, that oufc have played more games/win than any other team, except Chelsea, and stat wise sunday was a good performance. maybe he is looking for the next job? maybe with budget/stadium issues he is open to agent calls? maybe he feels he has done his time rebuilding his career? who knows.... It's not hard to sense unrest in the things he has said. But I don't think he's ready for his next job yet. He needs another season with us and I say that with tinted specs off. He's still very, very young in his career. And after the short-term disasters at his previous 3 clubs you could argue he is only now discovering what it's all about. When we were flying a few weeks back I thought there would be genuine interest from Champ clubs like, say, Cardiff or Wolves if a job came up. But in a year from now (hopefully, because it will mean another strong season), definitely. I would say he has made 2 BIG mistakes this term which he won't make again in a hurry. All part of the learning curve and easy to be wise after the event etc..otherwise he has done a good job. 1 Letting Wright go. Regretted by all sides apparently. The heartbeat of the club in many ways, he was the leader and doer we still miss. And he would have formed a nice partnership with nelson. Might not have been enough for the play-offs but would he have made the ricks that Dunkley has this term? Not on your nelly. The lesson is 'don't be too hasty to break up a wining team'. Don't get me started on Hylton... 2 200k for Hemmings. It's about paying a whopping figure for someone clearly not worth anywhere near that when our remit is to sell on. Who knows what has gone wrong but it will make Mapp 'tighter' with his money in future. There could have been a bit of desperation about it and perhaps he could have shown more patience. Either way, something was not right. For a recruitment dept to have got it so consistently right, blowing 200 big ones on a player that just doesn't fit our system has been bizarre to say the least. Very articulate and well argued. I think if we'd signed a better forward than Hemmings and kept Jake, and ideally Hylton, we'd be safely in the playoffs now
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Post by bashamwonderland on Apr 6, 2017 20:32:10 GMT
Got to agree with Werthers on that one.
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Post by bigcrompy on Apr 8, 2017 16:38:07 GMT
It's not hard to sense unrest in the things he has said. But I don't think he's ready for his next job yet. He needs another season with us and I say that with tinted specs off. He's still very, very young in his career. And after the short-term disasters at his previous 3 clubs you could argue he is only now discovering what it's all about. When we were flying a few weeks back I thought there would be genuine interest from Champ clubs like, say, Cardiff or Wolves if a job came up. But in a year from now (hopefully, because it will mean another strong season), definitely. I would say he has made 2 BIG mistakes this term which he won't make again in a hurry. All part of the learning curve and easy to be wise after the event etc..otherwise he has done a good job. 1 Letting Wright go. Regretted by all sides apparently. The heartbeat of the club in many ways, he was the leader and doer we still miss. And he would have formed a nice partnership with nelson. Might not have been enough for the play-offs but would he have made the ricks that Dunkley has this term? Not on your nelly. The lesson is 'don't be too hasty to break up a wining team'. Don't get me started on Hylton... 2 200k for Hemmings. It's about paying a whopping figure for someone clearly not worth anywhere near that when our remit is to sell on. Who knows what has gone wrong but it will make Mapp 'tighter' with his money in future. There could have been a bit of desperation about it and perhaps he could have shown more patience. Either way, something was not right. For a recruitment dept to have got it so consistently right, blowing 200 big ones on a player that just doesn't fit our system has been bizarre to say the least. Very articulate and well argued. I think if we'd signed a better forward than Hemmings and kept Jake, and ideally Hylton, we'd be safely in the playoffs now Could we definitely have afforded Danny Hylton, Jake Wright (i.e. two top earners) and still signed a "better forward than Kane Hemmings", do you suppose? Would we still have managed then to sign Marvin Johnson? If not; who's too say we'd've been any better off? Unfortunately our squad limitations are what they are, and I can see no value in rocking the boat without knowing the financial facts.
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Post by ubermeistervonmeat on Apr 9, 2017 11:50:56 GMT
On the question of Jake Wright, would we be able to get him back - he has done a job for Wilder but is unlikely to feature much next season - could do worse but would MAPP be willing to effectively admit the error he made ?
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Post by dabigfella on Apr 9, 2017 13:45:23 GMT
On the question of Jake Wright, would we be able to get him back - he has done a job for Wilder but is unlikely to feature much next season - could do worse but would MAPP be willing to effectively admit the error he made ? Highly unlikely!
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