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Post by londonroader on Oct 19, 2016 14:09:26 GMT
Beating the two 'stronger' teams from that group of 4 definitely does not make up for the fact that we've been beaten by the other two. It just makes it even more frustrating that we have thrown away 6 points. Unexpected victories should be adding valuable points to our tally, not making up for the poor, unexpected defeats. I think you've misunderstood my point, I'm not saying it makes up for it, im looking at the group of games. Before them you would of said 6 points was realistic, we've got 6 points. we could of drawn both those games and said yea that's good, may aswel lose one and win one than draw 2. It wasn't good last night but I think people's expectations this season are a big factor in why everyone is so dissapointed. In my opinion it's just the way we are playing currently, we have some big players to come back. If we are mid table by Christmas I will be very happy. It will put us in a strong position hoping the injuries stop. Oufc I agree on your peoples expectation point, before the match this forum was expecting to roll up to cov and just walk away with 3 points, this league is a lot harder than the league below and it seems we expect free flowing football and 3 points ever game, there will be a few disappointed fans if that mentality continues.
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Post by eighteen93 on Oct 19, 2016 14:18:14 GMT
Just be thankful you didn't have to go home the way I did. You couldn't get onto the M1 Southbound from the M6 (they'd closed the slip road) so I spent a jolly extra half hour trailing around the diversion between articulated lorries on the streets around Rugby. Oh how I laughed. Same here - where did you eventually rejoin the motorway. I think we went BADLY wrong somewhere! It was a bad night for sure.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 19, 2016 14:25:44 GMT
before the match this forum was expecting to roll up to cov and just walk away with 3 points, this league is a lot harder than the league below and it seems we expect free flowing football and 3 points ever game, there will be a few disappointed fans if that mentality continues. Not sure about that. I think the minimum many of us are entitled to expect from the players is maximum effort and an ability to do the very basics that any footballer at that level ought to be capable of: passing the ball 5 yards with some accuracy, challenging for the ball, moving into space when we have the ball, knowing and fulfilling their roles etc. I don't think the team in general got anywhere near those standards for large portions of last night.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 19, 2016 14:27:47 GMT
Same here - where did you eventually rejoin the motorway. I went down the A5 and rejoined just before Watford Gap services.
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Post by huntezoufc on Oct 19, 2016 14:54:40 GMT
I think you've misunderstood my point, I'm not saying it makes up for it, im looking at the group of games. Before them you would of said 6 points was realistic, we've got 6 points. we could of drawn both those games and said yea that's good, may aswel lose one and win one than draw 2. It wasn't good last night but I think people's expectations this season are a big factor in why everyone is so dissapointed. In my opinion it's just the way we are playing currently, we have some big players to come back. If we are mid table by Christmas I will be very happy. It will put us in a strong position hoping the injuries stop. Oufc I agree on your peoples expectation point, before the match this forum was expecting to roll up to cov and just walk away with 3 points, this league is a lot harder than the league below and it seems we expect free flowing football and 3 points ever game, there will be a few disappointed fans if that mentality continues. Agreed. A friend of mine is a big Coventry fan and was there, he said to me before we would stuff them and walk away with 3 points, I was totally the opposite. I wasn't that confident. They haven't lost at home to be fair to them, they played the much better football. For that comment above.. macdonald stood out?? What game did they watch? Nobody stood out. Dissapointing thing for me, half time against Wimbledon 0-3.. did we really come out the blocks second half no... 2-0 down at half time last night, did we come out the blocks.. more than the first yes but barely. I'm not being too down as I think we will lose a lot more games this season due to the injuries, loss of some big names and the fact we are playing much better teams. We play Millwall at home and they are below us! People need to just realise it's a work in progress.. it's moving the right way.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Oct 19, 2016 15:48:35 GMT
Couldn't believe people were booing at half time either. I know it was a poor performance and the players knew that too. Remember where we've come from. Wasn't a big fan of that myself either Some supporters were going totally apoplectic at half time. I mentioned to one, ' but it's not as bad as Tonbridge Angels away is it'? and the bloke looked at me blankly. Sure, nearly half the team played like they had been on a drinking session the night before but the booing was bloody disappointing nonetheless. FWIW I thought Coventry were the best team we'd played all season, thought they were neat , quick and skilful. Save off the field meltdown, (of course quite likely), they won't be anywhere near relegation zone at end of season. Neither will we be. As the OP says ' remember where we've come from'. I'd try Johnson as central striker when Hall comes back, he has got to be a better bet than Tug Boat Taylor, Sick Note Thomas and Thirty Fags a Day Hemmings.
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Post by androidyellow2 on Oct 19, 2016 16:01:06 GMT
Crowley, Nelson & Johnson have got to start next game for me. In a 4-2 f*cking 3-1
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 19, 2016 16:11:09 GMT
Some supporters were going totally apoplectic at half time. I mentioned to one, ' but it's not as bad as Tonbridge Angels away is it'? and the bloke looked at me blankly. That was a different team at a different time with a different manager in a different competition. The fact that we've been poorer in the past does not somehow make yesterday's performance less awful! I wasn't stood near you, but I was going apoplectic - quietly and to myself maybe, but apoplectic none the less! Let's hope we aren't saying 'At least its not as bad as Merstham' anytime soon.
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Post by londonroader on Oct 19, 2016 16:12:02 GMT
before the match this forum was expecting to roll up to cov and just walk away with 3 points, this league is a lot harder than the league below and it seems we expect free flowing football and 3 points ever game, there will be a few disappointed fans if that mentality continues. Not sure about that. I think the minimum many of us are entitled to expect from the players is maximum effort and an ability to do the very basics that any footballer at that level ought to be capable of: passing the ball 5 yards with some accuracy, challenging for the ball, moving into space when we have the ball, knowing and fulfilling their roles etc. I don't think the team in general got anywhere near those standards for large portions of last night. Entitled !!!!! What you would like to see is what you described, but in reality do you get that many weeks? football is about scoring goals to win games and we have all seen teams mug us off in the past and take the points, the beautiful game it ain't.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Oct 19, 2016 16:28:26 GMT
Some supporters were going totally apoplectic at half time. I mentioned to one, ' but it's not as bad as Tonbridge Angels away is it'? and the bloke looked at me blankly. That was a different team at a different time with a different manager in a different competition. The fact that we've been poorer in the past does not somehow make yesterday's performance less awful! I wasn't stood near you, but I was going apoplectic - quietly and to myself maybe, but apoplectic none the less! Let's hope we aren't saying 'At least its not as bad as Merstham' anytime soon. Er. I've seen HUNDREDS of performances over the last 20 years more awful than last night though. We have had a decent season to date - but too many 'supporters' seem ready to chuck the baby out with the bathwater and give dog's abuse to players on the back of one comedy goal. I trust Appleton and this squad to deliver a good season and they have significant credit in the bank with this supporter - no one deserves vicious personal abuse like the tonking 'you ginger c***' Taylor@ was taking - I honestly thought one lad was going to spontaneously self combust with vitriol on the half time whistle. . Moving on, I cannot believe people want Dunkley binned on the back of last night, the problems did not lay with our central defenders.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 19, 2016 16:30:54 GMT
Not sure about that. I think the minimum many of us are entitled to expect from the players is maximum effort and an ability to do the very basics that any footballer at that level ought to be capable of: passing the ball 5 yards with some accuracy, challenging for the ball, moving into space when we have the ball, knowing and fulfilling their roles etc. I don't think the team in general got anywhere near those standards for large portions of last night. Entitled !!!!! What you would like to see is what you described, but in reality do you get that many weeks? football is about scoring goals to win games and we have all seen teams mug us off in the past and take the points, the beautiful game it ain't. Are you really saying that maximum effort is too much to expect? That professional footballers should not be able to pass the ball 5 yards (I even added 'with some accuracy'!!), move into space, know what they are supposed to be doing etc etc? Because if they don't, then they bloody well should - and at times this season they have been able and willing to do all those things! I would even settle for them getting (as I said) somewhere near those minimum standards - or even appearing to try to reach them. I'm not asking for the beautiful game (not sure where you got that from), I'm not expecting us to win all games or any particular game. But last night was at times embarrassingly bad and the majority of the players let themselves down.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 19, 2016 16:37:18 GMT
Er. I've seen HUNDREDS of performances over the last 20 years more awful than last night though. Yes, so have I. That does not make last night's performance less disappointing though. I'm not stoic enough while watching us cock it up to stand there thinking 'Oh well - at least it isn't as bad as x, y or z game - well done, boys.'! Personal (and foul mouthed) abuse of our own players at games has of course, no place.
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Post by WeAreTheResurrection on Oct 19, 2016 17:52:09 GMT
Er. I've seen HUNDREDS of performances over the last 20 years more awful than last night though. Yes, so have I. That does not make last night's performance less disappointing though. I'm not stoic enough while watching us cock it up to stand there thinking 'Oh well - at least it isn't as bad as x, y or z game - well done, boys.'! Personal (and foul mouthed) abuse of our own players at games has of course, no place. Fair enough, but I don't think booing our players has any place either, not when we're 3 points off the playoffs and when we have played some good football and had some good results so far this season, our first season at this level in a decade. Just my opinion anyway.
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Post by socrates on Oct 19, 2016 20:41:10 GMT
I don't think we're a poor team
I just think the lack of consistency is down to things not quite working out with our preferred XI.
App did not spend a million quid on Johnson, Nelson and Hemmings for them to be on the bench
We don't actually know our best XI yet. Or maybe even our formation.
I would be very surprised if App fails to solve this conundrum. He works these things out in the end. Maybe Jan we can sort it with some additions.
It could be a late charge, glorious or futile,for the playoffs.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 19, 2016 21:34:28 GMT
Yes, so have I. That does not make last night's performance less disappointing though. I'm not stoic enough while watching us cock it up to stand there thinking 'Oh well - at least it isn't as bad as x, y or z game - well done, boys.'! Personal (and foul mouthed) abuse of our own players at games has of course, no place. Fair enough, but I don't think booing our players has any place either, not when we're 3 points off the playoffs and when we have played some good football and had some good results so far this season, our first season at this level in a decade. Just my opinion anyway. I said that I understood why some people booed - not that I did so nor that I agreed with it being done.
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Post by londonroader on Oct 20, 2016 6:29:09 GMT
Entitled !!!!! What you would like to see is what you described, but in reality do you get that many weeks? football is about scoring goals to win games and we have all seen teams mug us off in the past and take the points, the beautiful game it ain't. Are you really saying that maximum effort is too much to expect? That professional footballers should not be able to pass the ball 5 yards (I even added 'with some accuracy'!!), move into space, know what they are supposed to be doing etc etc? Because if they don't, then they bloody well should - and at times this season they have been able and willing to do all those things! I would even settle for them getting (as I said) somewhere near those minimum standards - or even appearing to try to reach them. I'm not asking for the beautiful game (not sure where you got that from), I'm not expecting us to win all games or any particular game. But last night was at times embarrassingly bad and the majority of the players let themselves down. Ok that's your opinion but I don't share the same one. The point I was try to make was now fans seem disappointed when we just don't turn up and roll teams over, their frustration at this is vented quite early in games and as the same as at the kassam a few years ago moaning is becoming evident, we cut a lot of that out at home and got behind the team and it might help the players who are either finding their feet or low on confidence for whatever reason, personally I don't see how berating and shouting at players is helping our team, we don't need scapegoats we need a squad who pull together for each other again.
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Post by christenedinjericho on Oct 21, 2016 17:22:44 GMT
I think one or two posters may have already mentioned this but we seemed to look pretty lost on that pitch on Tuesday, as it definitely looked a lot wider and longer to me than our own patch. If only I had a large anorak and a Stanley 10m tape on the night I'd be right down pitch side measuring.....
I'm sure Mapp bought in the width of our pitch a little last season didn't he-and perhaps Coventry's pitch might be right up there in the maximum area size allowed?
Anyway to me our players looked on the night very stretched and this was jointly because Coventry were well up for the match beforehand and without doubt with the width they were playing and using it certainly looked to me to have contributed to our slightly disjointed performance.
However after travelling back and getting over the result I still believe each and every player of ours on the night would have loved to have scored in front of the 2,100 fans present so perhaps in hindsight it was just one of those games where circumstances were a bit against us. Don't get me wrong I was disappointed with the slightly abject performance especially after the Bolton and Bradford games but as many fans are remarking we are not going to roll teams over so easily this season. Especially as we are a little short of habitual goalscorers and some of our players are a little low in confidence.
I'm sure Mapp will sort these teething problems and he must at times wonder if all the comings and goings in the summer did perhaps make his life a little more difficult but of course he's not going to come out and shout about these things as it is perhaps a sign of weakness in the managerial circles if he did- and with his tattooed muscles he's not weak at all......is he?
But seriously I'm greedy and I want perfection every time as I have been staved of much OUFC success over the last 15 years but if you really take a step or two back to where we are now it is threefold fourfold fivefold better than I thought we were in Chippy Wilder's last year or two.
Another small point in mentioning- is seeing the old and watching the new faces coming through at the away games these days....something that as a older geezer these days I thought a few years back would perhaps never really materialise again.
COYY's
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Post by uptheus on Oct 21, 2016 17:41:28 GMT
Wasn't a big fan of that myself either Some supporters were going totally apoplectic at half time. I mentioned to one, ' but it's not as bad as Tonbridge Angels away is it'? and the bloke looked at me blankly. Sure, nearly half the team played like they had been on a drinking session the night before but the booing was bloody disappointing nonetheless. FWIW I thought Coventry were the best team we'd played all season, thought they were neat , quick and skilful. Save off the field meltdown, (of course quite likely), they won't be anywhere near relegation zone at end of season. Neither will we be. As the OP says ' remember where we've come from'. I'd try Johnson as central striker when Hall comes back, he has got to be a better bet than Tug Boat Taylor, Sick Note Thomas and Thirty Fags a Day Hemmings. Tim, are you being serious? They were bloody awful and there for!the taking. We played extremely poorly with complacency which cost us the game. Lundstrum needs to stand down as captain to take away the difficulty/embarrassment of MApp doing it in order that he can focus on his own game.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Oct 22, 2016 16:32:38 GMT
Yes I was being serious.
I see they won again today.
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