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Post by uptheus on Sept 18, 2016 15:59:57 GMT
Every ground nowadays has a disabled section with possibly a better view than some seats. Surely if a person is 'unable' to stand then that would be the way to go when at away games. I agree that clubs should have better systems in place regarding fans who want to sing and for those who just want to view the match sitting down but a little common sense from the stewards would help too I, and my wife and hundreds more, are perfectly able to stand but, having paid for a seat and having the preference of using that seat would like to do so! If you want to stand then I have no objections but please, understand the views of others. We have also paid to watch (and see) the game. I am fully in favour of your second comment and would advocate that clubs work together to facilitate the wishes of fans. This is something that needs to be addressed with the desire of some for the return of the standing areas. And, in case you are curious, I spent many years standing in the London Road. I have just reached an age where sitting is more comfortable! It is, sadly, part of the ageing process! If you don't know exactly where your seat is going to be at an away game and you prefer to sit which I fully understand, then why not find a seat that avoids putting you and others in a situation that neither party is happy with? You just got allocated a seat, but to be perdantic and insist you want to sit in a seat that you didn't actually choose just seems that you want to cause confrontation.
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Post by uptheus on Sept 18, 2016 16:03:20 GMT
Brilliant so everyone who wants to sit should now be in a disabled area ๐. I love what the ultras and singers do, but there is Definitely an attitude developing of a super fan that is then better than those who wish to sit, leave a little early, or heaven forbid don't sing. We're all there for the same thing, supporting our team. Like manorlounger said try looking at it if you were in the other position. You've brought a ticket and want to sit in ur seat, crazy idea I know, but if u turned up to get on a plane and had booked 3 seats in a row but someone else was sat in 1 meaning ur group had to split up, would u be happy? Then if u do get in the seat that u have paid for and have every right to be in, you get abused as u wanted to actually sit in. But you don't choose your actual seat, you are just allocated one so your argument doesn't make sense unless we're playing at home which seems to pass by OK as far as I'm aware.
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Post by uptheus on Sept 18, 2016 16:06:36 GMT
Simple solution. Don't enforce allocated seating. 90% of away games, those who want to sing and stand naturally congregate, as do families and older people who want to sit. People make their own areas, enforced seating in exact ticket number was the problem yesterday. Simple. Correct, and some supporters (probably those who don't tend to go to too many away games in seated stadiums) took that literally!
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 18, 2016 16:09:27 GMT
Brilliant so everyone who wants to sit should now be in a disabled area ๐. I love what the ultras and singers do, but there is Definitely an attitude developing of a super fan that is then better than those who wish to sit, leave a little early, or heaven forbid don't sing. We're all there for the same thing, supporting our team. Like manorlounger said try looking at it if you were in the other position. You've brought a ticket and want to sit in ur seat, crazy idea I know, but if u turned up to get on a plane and had booked 3 seats in a row but someone else was sat in 1 meaning ur group had to split up, would u be happy? Then if u do get in the seat that u have paid for and have every right to be in, you get abused as u wanted to actually sit in. But you don't choose your actual seat, you are just allocated one so your argument doesn't make sense unless we're playing at home which seems to pass by OK as far as I'm aware. It's not my argument, but surely u can see the reasons why people who have brought tickets as a group so that they are together, who have got there early and sat in their seats, would then be p*ssed off when a people come in drunk stand all round u so u can't see, and then tell to move or stand up and sing! And if u turn up late most of the seats have gone U can't see any for ur group of 3/4 to sit together wouldn't u be annoyed that having brought some together u can't and end up instead of being somewhere with a good view, forced out to the Isles or right down the front as someone in ur seat.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 18, 2016 16:11:05 GMT
Simple solution. Don't enforce allocated seating. 90% of away games, those who want to sing and stand naturally congregate, as do families and older people who want to sit. People make their own areas, enforced seating in exact ticket number was the problem yesterday. Simple. Correct, and some supporters (probably those who don't tend to go to too many away games in seated stadiums) took that literally! It's not people that probably don't go to away game at all, that's the superior complex coming through again. It's was probably worse yesterday as it was a new ground for many fans, but there are far more fans that sit at Oufc than stand, so they are not in the minority, and plenty are like me people who have been there done it in the London road but theses days prefer to watch from a seat
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Post by uptheus on Sept 18, 2016 16:16:00 GMT
But you don't choose your actual seat, you are just allocated one so your argument doesn't make sense unless we're playing at home which seems to pass by OK as far as I'm aware. It's not my argument, but surely u can see the reasons why people who have brought tickets as a group so that they are together, who have got there early and sat in their seats, would then be p*ssed off when a people come in drunk stand all round u so u can't see, and then tell to move or stand up and sing! And if u turn up late most of the seats have gone U can't see any for ur group of 3/4 to sit together wouldn't u be annoyed that having brought some together u can't and end up instead of being somewhere with a good view, forced out to the Isles or right down the front as someone in ur seat. When I'm slightly older I hope I realise that if my allocated seat is directly behind the goal I might just think of moving know that so youngsters might rock up 1min before kick off, p*ssed out of their heads and then spend the next hour and a half standing, singing and probably swearing. That's why some of our supporters at home choose to sit in the SSU!
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 18, 2016 16:17:40 GMT
It's not my argument, but surely u can see the reasons why people who have brought tickets as a group so that they are together, who have got there early and sat in their seats, would then be p*ssed off when a people come in drunk stand all round u so u can't see, and then tell to move or stand up and sing! And if u turn up late most of the seats have gone U can't see any for ur group of 3/4 to sit together wouldn't u be annoyed that having brought some together u can't and end up instead of being somewhere with a good view, forced out to the Isles or right down the front as someone in ur seat. When I'm slightly older I hope I realise that if my allocated seat is directly behind the goal I might just think of moving know that so youngsters might rock up 1min before kick off, p*ssed out of their heads and then spend the next hour and a half standing, singing and probably swearing. That's why some of our supporters at home choose to sit in the SSU! It is , but say u have been allocated a seat in with the singing lot and u turn up late and there someone else there, would u ask them to move to stand with the rest, or would I go and stand at the end of the stand. Until there is such thing as a designated singing block at away games, or unallocated seating them people are within their rights to want to sit inthe seat on their ticket with out getting abuse for it. After all that's the peep ose of seat numbers, to make sure the maximum people get in safely and currently standing isn't permitted in English grounds. Until safe standing areas are introduced it probably won't be sorted out, that's if they even include them in away areas.
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Post by uptheus on Sept 18, 2016 16:18:41 GMT
Correct, and some supporters (probably those who don't tend to go to too many away games in seated stadiums) took that literally! It's not people that probably don't go to away game at all, that's the support complex coming through again. It's was probably worse yesterday as it was a new ground for many fans, but there are far more fans that sit at Oufc than stand, so they are not in the minority, and plenty are like me people who have been there done it in the London road but theses days prefer to watch from a seat It was made worse yesterday because the stewards were being a bit OTT, but made worse by some supporters who actually were on the same wavelength as the stewards. It just needs a bit of common sense.
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Post by holdsteady on Sept 18, 2016 16:20:18 GMT
It's not my argument, but surely u can see the reasons why people who have brought tickets as a group so that they are together, who have got there early and sat in their seats, would then be p*ssed off when a people come in drunk stand all round u so u can't see, and then tell to move or stand up and sing! And if u turn up late most of the seats have gone U can't see any for ur group of 3/4 to sit together wouldn't u be annoyed that having brought some together u can't and end up instead of being somewhere with a good view, forced out to the Isles or right down the front as someone in ur seat. When I'm slightly older I hope I realise that if my allocated seat is directly behind the goal I might just think of moving know that so youngsters might rock up 1min before kick off, p*ssed out of their heads and then spend the next hour and a half standing, singing and probably swearing. That's why some of our supporters at home choose to sit in the SSU! But it's about showing a bit of consideration for those around you, if you are in an area where it's fine to stand then do that, if you take a look around you and their are old people, women or small children etc then either move or sit down, I had to yesterday.
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Post by uptheus on Sept 18, 2016 16:20:47 GMT
When I'm slightly older I hope I realise that if my allocated seat is directly behind the goal I might just think of moving know that so youngsters might rock up 1min before kick off, p*ssed out of their heads and then spend the next hour and a half standing, singing and probably swearing. That's why some of our supporters at home choose to sit in the SSU! It is , but say u have been allocated a seat in with the singing lot and u turn up late and there someone else there, would u ask them to move to stand with the rest, or would I go and stand at the end of the stand. There was 18000 other sests and I'm sure I'd find one that was more suited to my requirements!
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Post by amershamdave on Sept 18, 2016 16:21:01 GMT
My take on the MK game: Beautiful bloody stadium. Good and helpful stewards. Brilliant TV screens. Rip-off prices for parking and chips. We were crap. They were crap. (Clint) Eastwood made my day (sorry, couldn't resist it, but he was and is, brilliant). Nearly 4000 fans? Brilliant. Over 12000 at the game? er...........Why don't we give young Roberts a go? Ryan isn't Taylor-made for us, I'm afraid. I've got every bit of faith in this team of ours, though. Hall, Ribiero and Nelson to come back? Wow!
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 18, 2016 16:23:24 GMT
It is , but say u have been allocated a seat in with the singing lot and u turn up late and there someone else there, would u ask them to move to stand with the rest, or would I go and stand at the end of the stand. There was 18000 other sests and I'm sure I'd find one that was more suited to my requirements! Exactly that, So why not move instead ? Rather than trying to get someone else who was there first, sat in their seat to ??
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 18, 2016 16:41:30 GMT
It's not my argument, but surely u can see the reasons why people who have brought tickets as a group so that they are together, who have got there early and sat in their seats, would then be p*ssed off when a people come in drunk stand all round u so u can't see, and then tell to move or stand up and sing! And if u turn up late most of the seats have gone U can't see any for ur group of 3/4 to sit together wouldn't u be annoyed that having brought some together u can't and end up instead of being somewhere with a good view, forced out to the Isles or right down the front as someone in ur seat. When I'm slightly older I hope I realise that if my allocated seat is directly behind the goal I might just think of moving know that so youngsters might rock up 1min before kick off, p*ssed out of their heads and then spend the next hour and a half standing, singing and probably swearing. That's why some of our supporters at home choose to sit in the SSU! It's also not the reason , most of us sit there as u get a much better view of the game. Anyone who sits near me will probably tell u the language is no better than in the east stand
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Post by finlandia on Sept 18, 2016 16:47:49 GMT
My take on the MK game: Beautiful bloody stadium. Good and helpful stewards. Brilliant TV screens. Rip-off prices for parking and chips. We were crap. They were crap. (Clint) Eastwood made my day (sorry, couldn't resist it, but he was and is, brilliant). Nearly 4000 fans? Brilliant. Over 12000 at the game? er...........Why don't we give young Roberts a go? Ryan isn't Taylor-made for us, I'm afraid. I've got every bit of faith in this team of ours, though. Hall, Ribiero and Nelson to come back? Wow! We don't give Roberts a go for these two reasons 1) If we play one up front, he isn't a target man/hold up player so cant play that role 2) He isn't good enough
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Post by amershamdave on Sept 18, 2016 17:21:49 GMT
My take on the MK game: Beautiful bloody stadium. Good and helpful stewards. Brilliant TV screens. Rip-off prices for parking and chips. We were crap. They were crap. (Clint) Eastwood made my day (sorry, couldn't resist it, but he was and is, brilliant). Nearly 4000 fans? Brilliant. Over 12000 at the game? er...........Why don't we give young Roberts a go? Ryan isn't Taylor-made for us, I'm afraid. I've got every bit of faith in this team of ours, though. Hall, Ribiero and Nelson to come back? Wow! We don't give Roberts a go for these two reasons 1) If we play one up front, he isn't a target man/hold up player so cant play that role 2) He isn't good enough Fair point, but I was on about the other one.
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Post by manorlounger on Sept 18, 2016 17:22:09 GMT
If you don't know exactly where your seat is going to be at an away game and you prefer to sit which I fully understand, then why not find a seat that avoids putting you and others in a situation that neither party is happy with? You just got allocated a seat, but to be perdantic and insist you want to sit in a seat that you didn't actually choose just seems that you want to cause confrontation. Nobody here after confrontation, just want to sit and watch the game. That's the purpose of a seat and what we paid for but, I'll let you have this, if I'm in my allocated seat and you want to stand, I won't be offended if you move. After all, if you were the only one who wanted to stand while all around were happy sitting, where does that leave you? If I don't know where my allocated seat is then how am I to choose another? If the stewards insist that I sit in my allocated seat then how am I to move. And, if I do choose to sit elsewhere, what do I tell the person with that seat ticket when they arrive? I return to my previous statement, the clubs need to consider the needs/desires/wishes of all fans and give details of the seating placements. When I purchased my tickets for MK the OUFC ticket office had no idea where my seats would be. They made a guess which actually worked out reasonably ok. If all clubs were to indicate the tickets that were central, behind the goal then the singers could be allocated these and everyone else would have the option to sit. Yesterday, the stewards could have exercised some common sense and allowed folk to move to other areas while still preserving health and safety numbers. Confrontation? Don't be daft! We're all Yellows!
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Post by MJB on Sept 18, 2016 17:27:05 GMT
Have we decided whether this is Seatgate of Standinggate yet?
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Post by amershamdave on Sept 18, 2016 17:27:45 GMT
If you don't know exactly where your seat is going to be at an away game and you prefer to sit which I fully understand, then why not find a seat that avoids putting you and others in a situation that neither party is happy with? You just got allocated a seat, but to be perdantic and insist you want to sit in a seat that you didn't actually choose just seems that you want to cause confrontation. Nobody here after confrontation, just want to sit and watch the game. That's the purpose of a seat and what we paid for but, I'll let you have this, if I'm in my allocated seat and you want to stand, I won't be offended if you move. After all, if you were the only one who wanted to stand while all around were happy sitting, where does that leave you? If I don't know where my allocated seat is then how am I to choose another? If the stewards insist that I sit in my allocated seat then how am I to move. And, if I do choose to sit elsewhere, what do I tell the person with that seat ticket when they arrive? I return to my previous statement, the clubs need to consider the needs/desires/wishes of all fans and give details of the seating placements. When I purchased my tickets for MK the OUFC ticket office had no idea where my seats would be. They made a guess which actually worked out reasonably ok. If all clubs were to indicate the tickets that were central, behind the goal then the singers could be allocated these and everyone else would have the option to sit. Yesterday, the stewards could have exercised some common sense and allowed folk to move to other areas while still preserving health and safety numbers. Confrontation? Don't be daft! We're all Yellows! Good point. This is exactly why I bought my tickets directly from MK Dons. I asked them if they could put me on the end of a row, because I'm physically f*cked and I have to stretch my legs. They have a layout of their seating arrangement, of course, whereas we don't.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 18, 2016 17:39:31 GMT
Have we decided whether this is Seatgate of Standinggate yet? I think the bigger question is, why can't you sing sitting down ?
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Post by uptheus on Sept 18, 2016 17:49:05 GMT
Have we decided whether this is Seatgate of Standinggate yet? I think the bigger question is, why can't you sing sitting down ? I haven't seen many if any singing entertainers that sit when I go to see them!
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Post by makv on Sept 18, 2016 17:57:04 GMT
I've see plenty of folk singing, sitting, in the East Stand.
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Post by mojofilter on Sept 18, 2016 18:20:33 GMT
I think the bigger question is, why can't you sing sitting down ? I haven't seen many if any singing entertainers that sit when I go to see them! Obviously not a Solomon Burke Fan
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 18, 2016 18:28:52 GMT
I think the bigger question is, why can't you sing sitting down ? I haven't seen many if any singing entertainers that sit when I go to see them! They tend to be on the stage though! Not stood in front of someone who's paid to watch something else ๐ Elton John Stevie wonder
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Post by Marked Ox on Sept 18, 2016 18:31:18 GMT
I think the bigger question is, why can't you sing sitting down ? I haven't seen many if any singing entertainers that sit when I go to see them! James did. ;o)
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Post by outsidethebox on Sept 18, 2016 18:36:00 GMT
Simple solution. Don't enforce allocated seating. 90% of away games, those who want to sing and stand naturally congregate, as do families and older people who want to sit. People make their own areas, enforced seating in exact ticket number was the problem yesterday. Simple. Even more simple solution: bring back terraces and give people a choice. Taking them away in the first place was an over-reaction which time has shown to be an incorrect decision.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 18, 2016 18:39:31 GMT
You would still have to have both, some would still like a seat, and more kids go these days that wouldn't be able to see, not enough wall to sit them all on at the front
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Post by yellowfever1 on Sept 18, 2016 19:20:50 GMT
I guess to sum up, it is the responsibility of the football clubs to facilitate for both the sitters and the standers. Rather than bicker amongst ourselves it might be better to apply pressure on the clubs to cater for both kinds of fans.
In my ideal world, Oxford fans would behave like crazed Argentinian ultras for 90 minutes, but then on leaving the ground have a personality transplant and discuss topics in the pub ranging from 17th century Dutch art to the Great British bake off. Like everything in life, the reality falls somewhere in between and that is good enough.
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Post by bigronaldo on Sept 18, 2016 20:17:44 GMT
Yesterday, we would have really liked to be in the upper tier behind the goal but our tickets were in the corner where the atmosphere was much more muted. The stewards were keen to stop anyone from standing or encroaching into areas not on their tickets. But clearly a lot of this was going on. Most people were happy to just sit and watch quietly around us which is fine for them. But not really ideal for us as we like to stand and sing. This severely affected our enjoyment of the game because very few were singing around us, so we mostly sat quietly too. With so many yellows there, it was a real shame that it never really got going like some of the away games and most games in the east stand at the back that we are used to. IMHO There has to be some freedom of movement to allow groups of like minded supporters to sit or stand together as this would help to make the experience better for a greater majority of fans.
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Post by followtheox on Sept 18, 2016 22:51:17 GMT
Yesterday, we would have really liked to be in the upper tier behind the goal but our tickets were in the corner where the atmosphere was much more muted. The stewards were keen to stop anyone from standing or encroaching into areas not on their tickets. But clearly a lot of this was going on. Most people were happy to just sit and watch quietly around us which is fine for them. But not really ideal for us as we like to stand and sing. This severely affected our enjoyment of the game because very few were singing around us, so we mostly sat quietly too. With so many yellows there, it was a real shame that it never really got going like some of the away games and most games in the east stand at the back that we are used to. IMHO There has to be some freedom of movement to allow groups of like minded supporters to sit or stand together as this would help to make the experience better for a greater majority of fans.
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Post by followtheox on Sept 18, 2016 23:06:45 GMT
We arrived quite early at the Dons stadium and took our seats. The match started and we were sat down watching the game until just after half time, then 5 lads decided to move seats in front of us and stood up blocking our view. They sat down when I asked them but stood up for a corner which I understand. I had to ask them to sit down again which they did, until the next attack then they just stood up for the rest of the match. I think you must accept that if you move seats and stand in front of people who are already sitting down and have to sit down for medical reasons and we're sitting down before you arrived, you should expect to sit down or move again ! It's just rude and no consideration for others. I had to move from my seat in the East Stand because people would stand and congregate in front of me. I was even told that I would have to move for the second half against Swindon in JPT as this blokes father in law was coming and wanted to stand next to him! Stand by all means, I would like to be able to once more but not in front of people who want to sit down. Rant over
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