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Rooney
Jan 29, 2011 19:04:52 GMT
Post by fistfullofdollars on Jan 29, 2011 19:04:52 GMT
Must be in danger of not being in Man U 1st choice 11.
Having a really poor season, even Darren Fletcher has more goals than him this season.
His recent form is not great either, hauled off against Blackpool after less than an hour and with Hernandez looking like he has the capability to score freely if starting it is surely only a matter of time before Rooney is warming the bench with Hernandez and Berbatov ahead of him.
Really is a massive fall from grace if you consider how good he was last season.
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Rooney
Jan 29, 2011 19:26:21 GMT
Post by baldy on Jan 29, 2011 19:26:21 GMT
Agree.
Rooney is playing OK but strikers are judged on goals and Hernandez is streets ahead of him at the moment. If Rooney finds his feet and Berbatov continues his form then Man U will cruise to the title but there is huge pressure on Berbatov at the minute because Everything is revolving around him.
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Rooney
Jan 29, 2011 19:39:39 GMT
Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 29, 2011 19:39:39 GMT
Agree. Rooney is playing OK but strikers are judged on goals and Hernandez is streets ahead of him at the moment. If Rooney finds his feet and Berbatov continues his form then Man U will cruise to the title but there is huge pressure on Berbatov at the minute because Everything is revolving around him. Personally i wouldn't feel safe relying on Berbatov. Though i will admit he has surpassed mine and i guess most people's expectations this term i still feel he could go on another run of abject uselessness which United could ill afford this late in the season. He seems to me to be the kind of player who is a world beater when he is in form but can lapse out of form in a flash and become a liability. Either way, united are in pole position for the title and it is theirs to lose. I don't think arsenal have a realistic chance of touching them and while i do regard chelsea as challengers I think their blip was just too damaging for them to recover. it wouldn't surprise me if i got tight between them and Man u closer to the end of the season but I think United will come out on top.
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Rooney
Jan 29, 2011 19:42:30 GMT
Post by moobs on Jan 29, 2011 19:42:30 GMT
When are people going to come to the conclusion that he's completely overrated?
How damning does the evidence need to be ?
I've never said he's a poor player just nowhere near as good as he's made out to be
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Rooney
Jan 29, 2011 19:49:56 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Jan 29, 2011 19:49:56 GMT
When are people going to come to the conclusion that he's completely overrated? How damning does the evidence need to be ? I've never said he's a poor player just nowhere near as good as he's made out to be I agree with this. I have always thought he is overrated, not rubbish just overrated. How old is he now? One prolific season and thats it.
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Rooney
Jan 30, 2011 8:37:38 GMT
Post by baldy on Jan 30, 2011 8:37:38 GMT
When are people going to come to the conclusion that he's completely overrated? How damning does the evidence need to be ? I've never said he's a poor player just nowhere near as good as he's made out to be Nonsense. You sheepishly came on here last year and admitted that you had got Rooney wrong and that he was a class act as he headed towards 40 goals. Now you've altered your view once more on the back of a mixed season, mainly a sub standard one. I'm afraid it sums you up Moobs. You have no proper view on anything and just change your views to suit the moment.
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Rooney
Jan 31, 2011 22:09:31 GMT
Post by Boogaloo on Jan 31, 2011 22:09:31 GMT
When are people going to come to the conclusion that he's completely overrated? How damning does the evidence need to be ? I've never said he's a poor player just nowhere near as good as he's made out to be I don't agree. Yes this season he has been awful by his standards - whether it's general lack of form, or media pressure from all this shagging around he's been doing, or even lack of fitness due to the shagging around! Who knows, but Rooney's speaks for itself - He's only 1 goal away from breaking into the Top 10 all-time England top scorers, and he's only 25. You don't get that by being average. I agree he's no Ronaldo or Messi - but then again no-one's saying he is.
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Rooney
Feb 1, 2011 18:22:15 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 1, 2011 18:22:15 GMT
When are people going to come to the conclusion that he's completely overrated? How damning does the evidence need to be ? I've never said he's a poor player just nowhere near as good as he's made out to be I don't agree. Yes this season he has been awful by his standards - whether it's general lack of form, or media pressure from all this shagging around he's been doing, or even lack of fitness due to the shagging around! Who knows, but Rooney's speaks for itself - He's only 1 goal away from breaking into the Top 10 all-time England top scorers, and he's only 25. You don't get that by being average. I agree he's no Ronaldo or Messi - but then again no-one's saying he is. You get it by playing lots of game ie 67 in Rooneys case. Crouch's goal scoring record per game for England is better than Rooney's but he is not regarded as being anywhere near Rooney in terms of ability. I don't think Moobs said the Rooney was average anyway, just overrated. I agree with Moobs. I think History will tell us who is right. When you look back over the last 10-15 years of England players how many (retired from international) players are truly thought of as being world class and how many were thought of at the time. Since Gazza i can maybe think of three Scholes, seaman and Shearer who are still thought of as world class. The truth is we always overrate our players in England and when you look back through history how many have won world player of the year ect (not many i bet). I am not convinced that the rest of the world view Rooney in the same way we do.
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Post by Simon Lill on Feb 1, 2011 20:51:04 GMT
Must be in danger of not being in Man U 1st choice 11. Having a really poor season, even Darren Fletcher has more goals than him this season. His recent form is not great either, hauled off against Blackpool after less than an hour and with Hernandez looking like he has the capability to score freely if starting it is surely only a matter of time before Rooney is warming the bench with Hernandez and Berbatov ahead of him. Really is a massive fall from grace if you consider how good he was last season. Bump!
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Post by junior1 on Feb 1, 2011 20:51:53 GMT
Hat trick tonight??
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Rooney
Feb 1, 2011 21:07:22 GMT
Post by fistfullofdollars on Feb 1, 2011 21:07:22 GMT
Must be in danger of not being in Man U 1st choice 11. Having a really poor season, even Darren Fletcher has more goals than him this season. His recent form is not great either, hauled off against Blackpool after less than an hour and with Hernandez looking like he has the capability to score freely if starting it is surely only a matter of time before Rooney is warming the bench with Hernandez and Berbatov ahead of him. Really is a massive fall from grace if you consider how good he was last season. Bump! Your right, two goals against Aston Villa clearly makes up for the other 17 games this season that he didnt score in. Jeez Presumably Midson is our best striker due to his hat trick against Torquay? Actually on second thoughts maybe i would stick with Beano and Craddock who actually consistantly score this season.
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Post by Simon Lill on Feb 1, 2011 21:17:43 GMT
Your right, two goals against Aston Villa clearly makes up for the other 17 games this season that he didnt score in. Jeez Presumably Midson is our best striker due to his hat trick against Torquay? Actually on second thoughts maybe i would stick with Beano and Craddock who actually consistantly score this season. Reading too much in to the bump mate. Was just catching up on some unread threads and got to this as Rooney got his second against Villa. I can't stand the granny shagging unloyal little shite!
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Rooney
Feb 1, 2011 21:18:54 GMT
Post by moobs on Feb 1, 2011 21:18:54 GMT
I don't agree. Yes this season he has been awful by his standards - whether it's general lack of form, or media pressure from all this shagging around he's been doing, or even lack of fitness due to the shagging around! Who knows, but Rooney's speaks for itself - He's only 1 goal away from breaking into the Top 10 all-time England top scorers, and he's only 25. You don't get that by being average. I agree he's no Ronaldo or Messi - but then again no-one's saying he is. You get it by playing lots of game ie 67 in Rooneys case. Crouch's goal scoring record per game for England is better than Rooney's but he is not regarded as being anywhere near Rooney in terms of ability. I don't think Moobs said the Rooney was average anyway, just overrated. I agree with Moobs. I think History will tell us who is right. When you look back over the last 10-15 years of England players how many (retired from international) players are truly thought of as being world class and how many were thought of at the time. Since Gazza i can maybe think of three Scholes, seaman and Shearer who are still thought of as world class. The truth is we always overrate our players in England and when you look back through history how many have won world player of the year ect (not many i bet). I am not convinced that the rest of the world view Rooney in the same way we do. I'd say David Platt, Tony Adams were world class. Not sure Shearer was
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Rooney
Feb 1, 2011 21:22:38 GMT
Post by fistfullofdollars on Feb 1, 2011 21:22:38 GMT
Your right, two goals against Aston Villa clearly makes up for the other 17 games this season that he didnt score in. Jeez Presumably Midson is our best striker due to his hat trick against Torquay? Actually on second thoughts maybe i would stick with Beano and Craddock who actually consistantly score this season. Reading too much in to the bump mate. Was just catching up on some unread threads and got to this as Rooney got his second against Villa. I can't stand the granny shagging unloyal little shite! Fair enough, feeling a little touchy, fucked off because we seemed to have turned a winning position around in only the way Oxford can Will try not to be such a senstive soul ;D
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Post by Simon Lill on Feb 1, 2011 21:24:34 GMT
Reading too much in to the bump mate. Was just catching up on some unread threads and got to this as Rooney got his second against Villa. I can't stand the granny shagging unloyal little shite! Fair enough, feeling a little touchy, fucked off because we seemed to have turned a winning position around in only the way Oxford can Will try not to be such a senstive soul ;D No drama. Theres still time to salvage a point. Keep the faith!
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Rooney
Feb 1, 2011 21:58:16 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 1, 2011 21:58:16 GMT
You get it by playing lots of game ie 67 in Rooneys case. Crouch's goal scoring record per game for England is better than Rooney's but he is not regarded as being anywhere near Rooney in terms of ability. I don't think Moobs said the Rooney was average anyway, just overrated. I agree with Moobs. I think History will tell us who is right. When you look back over the last 10-15 years of England players how many (retired from international) players are truly thought of as being world class and how many were thought of at the time. Since Gazza i can maybe think of three Scholes, seaman and Shearer who are still thought of as world class. The truth is we always overrate our players in England and when you look back through history how many have won world player of the year ect (not many i bet). I am not convinced that the rest of the world view Rooney in the same way we do. I'd say David Platt, Tony Adams were world class. Not sure Shearer was You get the point though. I am not usre an english player has ever won world play of the year, tells us all we need to know!
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Rooney
Feb 1, 2011 22:47:21 GMT
Post by tatabanya on Feb 1, 2011 22:47:21 GMT
Michael Owen was in 2001
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Post by junior1 on Feb 1, 2011 22:52:45 GMT
As was Rooney in 04
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Rooney
Feb 1, 2011 22:57:41 GMT
Post by moobs on Feb 1, 2011 22:57:41 GMT
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Post by junior1 on Feb 1, 2011 22:58:42 GMT
Portugal
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Rooney
Feb 1, 2011 23:00:05 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 1, 2011 23:00:05 GMT
Rooney was what in 04? your not making much sense tonight!
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Rooney
Feb 1, 2011 23:02:46 GMT
Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 1, 2011 23:02:46 GMT
Sorry I was talking Fifa worlds not european player of year but yes Owen was european player of year in 2001 but it is amazing how little english players have won either award for a country that produces so many supposed world class players!
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Rooney
Feb 1, 2011 23:05:04 GMT
Post by dannyc on Feb 1, 2011 23:05:04 GMT
anyone who says Alan shearer wasn't world class is talking out there backside hes the premierships highest scorer not is said the premiership not the division 1 highest scorer before some smart alec makes some comment .
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Post by junior1 on Feb 1, 2011 23:36:50 GMT
Hi danny
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Rooney
Feb 2, 2011 9:27:36 GMT
Post by Boogaloo on Feb 2, 2011 9:27:36 GMT
So Rooney scored a brace last night - all of a sudden he's a World beater. I had a look at the Top Goal Scorers chart on the BBC website and he wasn't there! So then I have a look at the Man Utd Top scorers lists, and he is in FIFTH place with a whopping FIVE goals. That puts him just just behind Park Ji Sung and Nani (midfielders) and reserve striker Hernandez!
I know he's going through a rough patch, but when we're talking about best English Premier League players of the past twenty years - Rooney isn't fit to lace the boots of David Beckham.
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Rooney
Feb 2, 2011 10:10:09 GMT
Post by moobs on Feb 2, 2011 10:10:09 GMT
anyone who says Alan shearer wasn't world class is talking out there backside hes the premierships highest scorer not is said the premiership not the division 1 highest scorer before some smart alec makes some comment . Shearer was a good goalscorer and his goals record is unquestionable but he didn't have any real technical ability. You need more than just goals, like Thierry Henry, he scored hatfulls of goals but he also had blistering pace and excellent ball skills. That's why Henry was a genuine world class player and Shearer wasn't.
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Rooney
Feb 2, 2011 10:55:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 10:55:45 GMT
I would say Shearer was just about world class. In his prime he was one of the best strikers in the world. There were a few definately above him - Ronaldo, Romario, Batistuta.. but not many
I wouldn't say Platt or Adams were, because they were never among the very best in their position.
But all these debates are pointless until someone comes up with a definition of world class! I think of it as roughly the top 20-30 players
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Rooney
Feb 2, 2011 14:15:18 GMT
Post by moobs on Feb 2, 2011 14:15:18 GMT
I would say Shearer was just about world class. In his prime he was one of the best strikers in the world. There were a few definately above him - Ronaldo, Romario, Batistuta.. but not many I wouldn't say Platt or Adams were, because they were never among the very best in their position. But all these debates are pointless until someone comes up with a definition of world class! I think of it as roughly the top 20-30 players I said Platt because he always seemed to play well for England amongst alot of dross and he played for many clubs in Italy and did very well, not many English players can claim that. Adams got better and better with age and in the twilight of his career he oozed class. In his pomp around 1998 - 2000 there weren't many better defenders in Europe
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Rooney
Feb 2, 2011 16:42:35 GMT
Post by dannyc on Feb 2, 2011 16:42:35 GMT
I would say Shearer was just about world class. In his prime he was one of the best strikers in the world. There were a few definately above him - Ronaldo, Romario, Batistuta.. but not many I wouldn't say Platt or Adams were, because they were never among the very best in their position. But all these debates are pointless until someone comes up with a definition of world class! I think of it as roughly the top 20-30 players i disagree with Batistuta because he played in better teams and scored a few less than shearer and just like Batistuta shearer any team in the world would have shearer given the chance but he wanted to be at Newcastle his downfall i think .
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Rooney
Feb 2, 2011 17:28:35 GMT
Post by longliveclarkey on Feb 2, 2011 17:28:35 GMT
I think you can be a world class pure finisher, moobs, not having to have all sorts of other attributes, particularly in the case of Shearer. Michael Owen in 2001-ish was world class, surely? I imagine Shearer's heading ability got him a few more assists than Owen too. Admittedly his limits mean that he would never be considered a footballing great, but he was at his best world class.
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