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Post by mcf86 on May 16, 2016 9:42:31 GMT
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Post by Marked Ox on May 16, 2016 10:25:17 GMT
I would rather we bought the stadium as it is rather than give him an excuse to make it even harder/more expensive.
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Post by yellowsub on May 16, 2016 10:34:51 GMT
Out of interest, how much is the place worth at the moment?
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Post by MJB on May 16, 2016 10:38:45 GMT
Out of interest, how much is the place worth at the moment? Depends entirely on who you're asking. The value of land and property is whatever the seller feels it is worth. Whether anyone wants to buy for that price is a completely different matter of course...
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Post by bashamwonderland on May 16, 2016 10:43:33 GMT
I'd rather knock down the North Stand and buy the stadium than build the West stand and still rent it.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on May 16, 2016 11:00:18 GMT
We don't need a fourth stand yet. Sounds like an excuse for Kassam to built flats in the corners and to charge us more rent at the same time!
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Post by yellowbloodiedman on May 16, 2016 11:18:26 GMT
Bless him, such a nice chap. Very kind of him to offer to help us. Obviously just wants to put things right after screwing us over last time, I'm sure he wouldn't do that again would he.
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Post by mcf86 on May 16, 2016 11:42:01 GMT
Bless him, such a nice chap. Very kind of him to offer to help us. Obviously just wants to put things right after screwing us over last time, I'm sure he wouldn't do that again would he. "would like a stadium with my name on it that is finished and not just half-built" Two-hat.
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Post by mcf86 on May 16, 2016 11:56:12 GMT
We don't need a fourth stand yet. Sounds like an excuse for Kassam to built flats in the corners and to charge us more rent at the same time! Try telling that to those who were desperately trying to get a ticket for the Wycombe match!! In any case, we should be forward planning -based on our ambitions, not where we were or are. If suppose we have a similar season in Division one to the one we just had, and find ourselves in the Championship, oh, we're gunna need a bigger Stadium!!
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Post by Gary Baldi on May 16, 2016 12:15:47 GMT
Perhaps he can concentrate his efforts on finishing off what is there at the moment? Bit difficult when you can't charge more rent for it though
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Post by Common Villager on May 16, 2016 12:16:32 GMT
No, no, no!
I cannot think of anything worse happening than old Firoz building a fourth stand. Few quick reasons why:
- It will be rubbish. It will be cheap. It will be nasty. - It will almost certainly have flats in the corners, which is not only tinpot, it will probably restrict our ability to 'fill the corners in' with seats at any stage in the future. - It will drive up the price of the stadium. - It will drive up the rent we have to pay. - It will make the parking worse (because Firoz will not doing anything to improve the access/parking situation). - It will quench Firoz's apparent desire to appease the club/fans. For some reason he seems intent on rebuilding some bridges. We've got to make the most of that and not just accept the fourth stand as repayment of what he owes us. -Firoz does not do anything that doesn't benefit him.
Every time I hear Firoz going on about building the fourth stand it really, really worries me. We need to focus on owning our own stadium, be it at Grenoble Road, Water Eaton, or anothe location. We need to stop paying ridiculous amounts of rent, and we need to be able to generate revenue from owning our own stadium. If the fourth stand is build all of that becomes a hell of a lot harder.
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Post by frankie on May 16, 2016 12:20:59 GMT
Kassam gets more money from the residential buildings linked to the fourth stand build and OUFC remains an unsustainable business. Not really what we want is it?
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Post by ZeroTheHero on May 16, 2016 12:36:14 GMT
We don't need a fourth stand yet. Sounds like an excuse for Kassam to built flats in the corners and to charge us more rent at the same time! Try telling that to those who were desperately trying to get a ticket for the Wycombe match!! In any case, we should be forward planning -based on our ambitions, not where we were or are. If suppose we have a similar season in Division one to the one we just had, and find ourselves in the Championship, oh, we're gunna need a bigger Stadium!! That was one match. By that standard you would have huge grounds all over the country, most of them with people rattling around inside of them most of the time. I have a car that suits me and my family - sometimes (when going away on holiday for example) it's a bit small and we can't fit everything in it that we want. I'm not going to buy a 12 seater Transit just to cater for that odd occasion. I might (to stretch the analogy) hire a trailer though, so I think a sensibly planned contingency for a temporary stand would be a better thing to consider. I'm all for forward planning - but in this case you have to look at who will benefit from carrying this work out, who will end up paying extra rent and what it might mean to the club for the future.
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Post by classonewhistle on May 16, 2016 13:24:50 GMT
Forth stand, = more rent and tied into a longer lease, no thanks
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Post by whingit on May 16, 2016 13:35:17 GMT
Eales seems clever enough not to get done over by Kassam. One thing I am interested in, though, is that if Kassam wants a completed stadium, the East Stand will have to get finished, too.
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Post by oufcwaffle on May 16, 2016 14:53:10 GMT
Eales seems clever enough not to get done over by Kassam. One thing I am interested in, though, is that if Kassam wants a completed stadium, the East Stand will have to get finished, too. Personally I'd prefer that over a west stand right now
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Post by whingit on May 16, 2016 15:28:46 GMT
Eales seems clever enough not to get done over by Kassam. One thing I am interested in, though, is that if Kassam wants a completed stadium, the East Stand will have to get finished, too. Personally I'd prefer that over a west stand right now I'd prefer The Priory to be sorted out before a west stand, too.
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Post by upthecowboys on May 16, 2016 18:02:23 GMT
As the likes of Charlie said, let's hope we don't get suckered in to something that seems good now but long term isn't so great.
If FK is pushing to build a 4th stand then what is in it for him? Possibly the chance to fill the corners in with flats which limits our ability to increase the capacity should the need arise.
I read the OxVox most recent OxVox minutes and it is good to see what they are doing re looking in to the various ground options we have.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 16, 2016 18:05:52 GMT
Eales ain't silly, can't see him agreeing to a nick merry style p*ss take. We can't technically stop fk building a stand on his stadium, but we could get the ball rolling on buying it or securing a better deal. I think it's more fk wanting to get things moving 1 way or another. After all we've agreed a rent, surely (depending on what merry signed) he can't just build another stand then wack the rent up
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Post by nottsyellow on May 16, 2016 18:23:58 GMT
The chance of Kassam building a fourth stand without any hidden benefit to him or extra cost to OUFC is zero. I don't see the benefit of a permanent 4th stand until we know 100% where the future of the club lies, and if it at Minchery Farm we need to buy the ground before the 4th stand is built. However I would like to see:- A temporary stand(semi-permanent)for whole season for about 1,000 seats. The away end in the North Stand permanently restricted to 1,100 (as per Wycombe match)with the appropriate permanent segregation measures put in place (eg low level fence running from top to bottom)to ensure minimal seats are lost in segregation. This enables Oxford to have the best seats in the North Stand for every match and sell season tickets accordingly. With say 200 seats for segregation then there are 3,700 seats for Oxford. The temporary stand could be used for home or away depending on demand. This flexibility covers the 10% rule for league matches and 15% for cup matches and also covers the rule of so many seats under cover for away fans. Kassam finishes off the East Stand including the hospitality area (supporters bar)behind. This should create an extra 200-300 seats. Hopefully a temporary stand of 1,000 should not impinge on too many car parking places and with seats behind the goal make the ground look a bit better. After one year then asses the feasibility of it for the following year. I can't see a temporary stand being viable for one match only, let's trial it for whole season.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 16, 2016 18:27:52 GMT
Surely if u put a 1000 seat stand up that increases the 10% required for away fans to 1350
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Post by ox4eva on May 16, 2016 18:33:03 GMT
We don't want a 4th stand unless we own the ground!
I refuse to even use its name, and would be sickened to see Ka$$am using the club once again for his own financial benefit.
I have no idea what the value of the ground is and just wish we could get some more investment into the club to purchase it off that rat!
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Post by yellowjam on May 16, 2016 19:45:40 GMT
Only 10 more years then we're out & homeless
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Post by verbal kint on May 16, 2016 19:49:32 GMT
Only 10 more years then we're out & homeless Is it wrong to say thank f!**
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Post by oufcyellows on May 16, 2016 19:53:18 GMT
Not fully true though, as he wont be able to change the use without council permission , which they won't do if we have no other stadium . So at best we get it cheap or agree a new lease
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Post by foley on May 17, 2016 7:07:21 GMT
The chance of Kassam building a fourth stand without any hidden benefit to him or extra cost to OUFC is zero. I don't see the benefit of a permanent 4th stand until we know 100% where the future of the club lies, and if it at Minchery Farm we need to buy the ground before the 4th stand is built. However I would like to see:- A temporary stand(semi-permanent)for whole season for about 1,000 seats. The away end in the North Stand permanently restricted to 1,100 (as per Wycombe match)with the appropriate permanent segregation measures put in place (eg low level fence running from top to bottom)to ensure minimal seats are lost in segregation. This enables Oxford to have the best seats in the North Stand for every match and sell season tickets accordingly. With say 200 seats for segregation then there are 3,700 seats for Oxford. The temporary stand could be used for home or away depending on demand. This flexibility covers the 10% rule for league matches and 15% for cup matches and also covers the rule of so many seats under cover for away fans. Kassam finishes off the East Stand including the hospitality area (supporters bar)behind. This should create an extra 200-300 seats. Hopefully a temporary stand of 1,000 should not impinge on too many car parking places and with seats behind the goal make the ground look a bit better. After one year then asses the feasibility of it for the following year. I can't see a temporary stand being viable for one match only, let's trial it for whole season. That won't happen unless the Oxford supporters start to fill the rest of the ground. In addition if we restricted the away support then Coventry, Sheffield, Swin*** could well restrict the Oxford fans going there. I am not sure that would go down particularly well.
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Post by KLYellow on May 17, 2016 7:37:17 GMT
Does anyone know, how long would it take to build the 4th stand, say if we replicated the Oxford Mail stand?
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Post by holdsteady on May 17, 2016 9:20:35 GMT
Does anyone know, how long would it take to build the 4th stand, say if we replicated the Oxford Mail stand? Depends on how much you are willing to spend, not long if you are willing to put enough man power on it, so knowing Kassam it should be finished by 2037.
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Post by ovaltoyou on May 18, 2016 6:19:58 GMT
Downside to a PERMANENT WEST stand is the sun setting in the west and shining into the East Stand and it would mean the away fans nearer to the facilities (for what that's worth). If a permanent fourth stand was built could it be better than the East Stand and transferred for home supporters?
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Post by dolly on May 18, 2016 7:00:56 GMT
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