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Post by barmyarmy on Oct 23, 2014 7:13:24 GMT
Im glad Appleton is learning, Wilder is in his 5th season, whats he learnt? What? How many management jobs did wilder leave for better prospects? And how many has Appleton been sacked from? Not saying wilder should have stayed on, but look at the two management careers. One's been a successful lower / conference manager. The other nothing so far. I've slightly more confidence after the last two games that we will finish above Northampton this season. I dont know why you keep quoting me and then talk about something else. I asked what he had learnt in his 5 years here, personally I would say very little. Is he making the same mistakes at Northampton? From the outside looking in it looks like it. Wilder didnt leave for any jobs with better prospects, not because he didnt try, he did but wasnt thought to be good enough.
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Post by oldabingdonian on Oct 23, 2014 8:42:16 GMT
To make another serious and relevant point, some of CW's Northampton loan signings appear to be misjudged - even by his own admission. This was a frequent, and often valid, criticism while he was with us.
Has MApp done any better? Well, yes, I think. We are too loan dependent at the moment, but certainly Barnett, Riley and young Tareiq are important players for us, and Morris and Jakubiak are playing a part. You could argue G Long was a sensible loan, too. This in turn would suggest that MApp's high-level contacts are working for us.
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Post by socrates on Oct 23, 2014 12:44:08 GMT
I was very buoyed by Appleton's appointment and have said it was a major coup
However, THIS season it's a case of right budget wrong manager
Had someone like Wilder been in charge with Appleton's money to spend, I'd have put my house on us going up.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 23, 2014 12:47:53 GMT
And you'd have found yourself homeless in May.
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Post by SteMerritt on Oct 23, 2014 12:50:12 GMT
And you'd have found yourself homeless in May. ...after sitting pretty in December.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 23, 2014 12:53:07 GMT
.....having had an injury crisis in October after Robert Earnshaw got knee-knack and Sol Campbell's back went.
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Post by foley on Oct 23, 2014 13:10:54 GMT
I was very buoyed by Appleton's appointment and have said it was a major coup However, THIS season it's a case of right budget wrong manager Had someone like Wilder been in charge with Appleton's money to spend, I'd have put my house on us going up. I'd have put a small wager that we wouldn't have gone up (not sure I would put my house on it). It is rumoured that CW has a large budget at Northampton. Not sure that they are pulling up trees.
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Post by amershamdave on Oct 23, 2014 13:18:25 GMT
Thank you for that enlightenment, Mr. Bicester Do you like it? Yes Mr. Bicester
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Post by amershamdave on Oct 23, 2014 13:26:32 GMT
I read an article in yesterday's Daily Mirror, where one of the reporters had been at the United/Tranmere game. He said that both teams had kept the ball on the ground, playing a passing game. He enjoyed it. I now say well done to MA for that way of thinking. I just pray we keep getting the right results.
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Post by billyox on Oct 23, 2014 14:20:16 GMT
Comparing his time with us and his time with Northampton it would seem he's not learning anything we had a long injury list which is now happening at northampton which tells me his training method is poor his teams always get off to a flying start then drop back same happened to us. The home form seems to be the same as what he had here. He seems to be constantly changing the team same as he did here. The same old tactics were in use on Tuesday go one nil up and then try and hold on which we all know never worked at home.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using proboards
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Post by yellowg on Oct 23, 2014 14:50:29 GMT
I apologise if I'm going over old ground, but can anyone confirm if we have a large budget in comparison to last season? Surely if its true we might turn a few heads in the January transfer window as we lost some big earners in the summer...
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Post by barmyarmy on Oct 23, 2014 15:04:59 GMT
I was very buoyed by Appleton's appointment and have said it was a major coup However, THIS season it's a case of right budget wrong manager Had someone like Wilder been in charge with Appleton's money to spend, I'd have put my house on us going up. Somebody like Wilder but not Wilder, what do you mean?
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Post by bicesteryellow on Oct 23, 2014 15:05:12 GMT
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Post by londonroader on Oct 23, 2014 15:06:54 GMT
Quite embarrassing some of our fans singing chris wilder m ‘lord in the 2nd half, shocking...
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Post by socrates on Oct 23, 2014 15:13:39 GMT
I was very buoyed by Appleton's appointment and have said it was a major coup However, THIS season it's a case of right budget wrong manager Had someone like Wilder been in charge with Appleton's money to spend, I'd have put my house on us going up. Somebody like Wilder but not Wilder, what do you mean? I mean a good League 2 manager. Wilder, Adams would be two.
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Post by myles on Oct 23, 2014 15:16:13 GMT
Somebody like Wilder but not Wilder, what do you mean? I mean a good League 2 manager. Wilder, Adams would be two. Waddock would be another.
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Post by londonroader on Oct 23, 2014 15:35:03 GMT
Somebody like Wilder but not Wilder, what do you mean? I mean a good League 2 manager. Wilder, Adams would be two. How do you judge CW to be a good league 2 manager, good to stay in the division because he's not got a league promotion on his record, there are loads of lower league managers that have achieved more than cw.
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Post by Mark on Oct 23, 2014 15:39:59 GMT
Is it time to congratulate Appleton on his most successful managerial stint so far? points per game 1.00 West Brom 0.98 Pompey 1.08 Blackpool 1.13 Blackburn 1.18 Oxford.
He IS getting better, and I think now he has realised that a bit of League 2 experience is needed, we are looking better match by match (in the last two anyway).
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Post by londonroader on Oct 23, 2014 15:44:38 GMT
Is it time to congratulate Appleton on his most successful managerial stint so far? points per game 1.00 West Brom 0.98 Pompey 1.08 Blackpool 1.13 Blackburn 1.18 Oxford. He IS getting better, and I think now he has realised that a bit of League 2 experience is needed, we are looking better match by match (in the last two anyway). Tut tut, you know nothing is decided until the end of the season..
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Post by socrates on Oct 23, 2014 15:47:22 GMT
I mean a good League 2 manager. Wilder, Adams would be two. How do you judge CW to be a good league 2 manager, good to stay in the division because he's not got a league promotion on his record, there are loads of lower league managers that have achieved more than cw. I judge him to be a good manager because he took a struggling Conference side to the brink of the league two playoffs on a budget which was not commensurate with the latter In addition in this league I think twice he had us in a higher position that our budget should have allowed Unfortunately money is so pervasive now that it's the yardstick for all achievements or otherwise Appleton, I suspect, is massively under performing given the money he has at his disposal I am sure that if you spoke to people within football, a huge majority would class Wilder as a good manager at this level as they would Adams. Sturrock another.
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Post by londonroader on Oct 23, 2014 16:01:06 GMT
How do you judge CW to be a good league 2 manager, good to stay in the division because he's not got a league promotion on his record, there are loads of lower league managers that have achieved more than cw. I judge him to be a good manager because he took a struggling Conference side to the brink of the league two playoffs on a budget which was not commensurate with the latter In addition in this league I think twice he had us in a higher position that our budget should have allowed Unfortunately money is so pervasive now that it's the yardstick for all achievements or otherwise Appleton, I suspect, is massively under performing given the money he has at his disposal I am sure that if you spoke to people within football, a huge majority would class Wilder as a good manager at this level as they would Adams. Sturrock another. So cw is a good conference manager, but an average league 2 manager. It’s been suggested that cw had more than his budget to get out of this league on 2 occasions, budgets mean nothing it’s the money at your disposal for new players that counts, how many new squads did cw put together? How many players did he use while cw was in charge? A good manager achieves things with the resources to hand. Would you class dicko a good league 2 manager? He got out of this league on a very good budget.
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Post by oxford84 on Oct 23, 2014 16:12:21 GMT
How do you judge CW to be a good league 2 manager, good to stay in the division because he's not got a league promotion on his record, there are loads of lower league managers that have achieved more than cw. I judge him to be a good manager because he took a struggling Conference side to the brink of the league two playoffs on a budget which was not commensurate with the latter In addition in this league I think twice he had us in a higher position that our budget should have allowed Unfortunately money is so pervasive now that it's the yardstick for all achievements or otherwise Appleton, I suspect, is massively under performing given the money he has at his disposal I am sure that if you spoke to people within football, a huge majority would class Wilder as a good manager at this level as they would Adams. Sturrock another. Appleton massively under performing in 13 games??? really??How about waiting to see what happens this season first.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 23, 2014 16:27:22 GMT
I would also say that while we were struggling when he took over he had a very large if not largest budget in the conference to get us out . And nearly buggered that up, with an after Xmas slump. I thank him for what he did and I'm glad he did it but I don't think he is anything other than a decent conference/ average league 2 manager. I bet Northamptonshire budget is not that dissimilar to ours this year
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Post by bazzer9461 on Oct 23, 2014 17:23:21 GMT
How do you judge CW to be a good league 2 manager, good to stay in the division because he's not got a league promotion on his record, there are loads of lower league managers that have achieved more than cw. I judge him to be a good manager because he took a struggling Conference side to the brink of the league two playoffs on a budget which was not commensurate with the latter In addition in this league I think twice he had us in a higher position that our budget should have allowed Unfortunately money is so pervasive now that it's the yardstick for all achievements or otherwise Appleton, I suspect, is massively under performing given the money he has at his disposal I am sure that if you spoke to people within football, a huge majority would class Wilder as a good manager at this level as they would Adams. Sturrock another. Wilder league experience only came from Oxford. MAPP hasn't done well with his previous clubs, Maybe he should have started in the conference/L2 to hone his managerial skills. Hopefully he has started with the recent results and can only get better.
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Post by The Fence End on Oct 23, 2014 17:38:58 GMT
Northampton fans should play catch phrases bingo with his interviews:
"We move on" "I was raging" "Had a pop"
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 23, 2014 17:50:02 GMT
Northampton fans should play catch phrases bingo with his interviews: "We move on" "I was raging" "Had a pop" We go again . Also will it be Win cw interview Draw assistant interview Lose. Changing room lock in
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Post by gottagetbetta on Oct 23, 2014 17:52:02 GMT
I will always have a residual gratitude for Chris Wilder. He got us out of the hell that is the Conference and he was also responsible for 90 memorable minutes at Wembley. It was a shame it all went pear shaped at the end and the manner of his exit soured the legacy.
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Post by socrates on Oct 23, 2014 18:09:55 GMT
I judge him to be a good manager because he took a struggling Conference side to the brink of the league two playoffs on a budget which was not commensurate with the latter In addition in this league I think twice he had us in a higher position that our budget should have allowed Unfortunately money is so pervasive now that it's the yardstick for all achievements or otherwise Appleton, I suspect, is massively under performing given the money he has at his disposal I am sure that if you spoke to people within football, a huge majority would class Wilder as a good manager at this level as they would Adams. Sturrock another. So cw is a good conference manager, but an average league 2 manager. It’s been suggested that cw had more than his budget to get out of this league on 2 occasions, budgets mean nothing it’s the money at your disposal for new players that counts, how many new squads did cw put together? How many players did he use while cw was in charge? A good manager achieves things with the resources to hand. Would you class dicko a good league 2 manager? He got out of this league on a very good budget. 'Budgets mean nothing it's the money at your disposal that counts' Er, that is a budget. And Di Canuo is a great example of how money skews and deceives the game. My daughter could have got Swindon promoted with that budget
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Post by bristoloxman on Oct 23, 2014 18:14:23 GMT
" Saw the team, said we'd get battered...
Wilder is losing the plot...quickly. He got everything wrong tonight.
The starting line up and the changes he made had no logic, it's hard to know where to start.
He's signed a very talented squad of players but at this moment in time he doesn't appear to know what to do with them. And he's starting to spout crap in his interviews. Honeymoon period over." It has a very familiar ring to it me thinks ! He is spouting crap! did anyone hear his 5 min int on the BBC lg 2 page? sounded absolutely rallied by that result!
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Post by londonroader on Oct 23, 2014 18:25:03 GMT
So cw is a good conference manager, but an average league 2 manager. It’s been suggested that cw had more than his budget to get out of this league on 2 occasions, budgets mean nothing it’s the money at your disposal for new players that counts, how many new squads did cw put together? How many players did he use while cw was in charge? A good manager achieves things with the resources to hand. Would you class dicko a good league 2 manager? He got out of this league on a very good budget. 'Budgets mean nothing it's the money at your disposal that counts' Er, that is a budget. And Di Canuo is a great example of how money skews and deceives the game. My daughter could have got Swindon promoted with that budget I would give up now if I was you read all of what I wrote and don't be selective to suit what you are trying to say. And how much of that budget is available for new players? You have to pay the staff you already have first and see how much is left. What about the generous sponsors years, cw was looked after then but couldn't get us to the play offs! By your reckoning your daughter would be a good league 2 manager then, because that's the excuse your using why cw has not got us promoted, not enough money!
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