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Post by John Lennon on Apr 15, 2012 20:57:31 GMT
These trolls never make much sense.... Exactly as I was saying, you never respond to what you don't want to hear, lemon old boy! So, which banned member are you? Let's see if you practice what you preach. I won't hold my breath
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Post by Gary Baldi on Apr 15, 2012 21:14:24 GMT
Exactly as I was saying, you never respond to what you don't want to hear, lemon old boy! So, which banned member are you? Let's see if you practice what you preach. I won't hold my breath I believe it's dear old MazzaronOx, aka Mazz or the Macaroon resurrected from the internet scrap yard. The same poster that has haunted Oxford Utd forums for 10 years with own sense of worth and unique style of posting.
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Post by barmyarmy on Apr 16, 2012 8:24:21 GMT
Chris Wilder needs................. To get us in the play offs! In my opinion he has had the backing, the budget and the players to achieve that - minimum. Yes I will support him and the team but its time for them to deliver now the heat is on.
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Post by mekong on Apr 16, 2012 9:26:21 GMT
It's not about placing blame - it's about refraining from placing blame until there is a REASON to place it. Honestly, it's not difficult to understand. What reasoning then would you put down to the fact that we have taken around 5 points from 15, and lost/drawn games at home, we should have won, to cement a play off place? Would you blame the fans? That's just it. Your someone looking to blame. The definition of a fan is: An ardent admirer or enthusiast.I think you fall short of this definition on every count judging by your contribution to this forum.
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Post by m on Apr 16, 2012 11:01:57 GMT
With JPP, he did the same with Green, Midson and Bullman, who went onto achieve greater things, when given a fair chance. Just by chance he came back to Oxford, and proved wilder wrong, as the others did at different clubs. Tell me about the 'greater things' Matt Green has achieved, I'd really like to hear about them. Also, could you please explain why JPP came back 'Just by chance'?
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Post by baldy on Apr 16, 2012 12:13:49 GMT
To be fair to Wilder I think he has embraced Oxford and Oxfordshire as much as could be expected. I don't know the bloke but I don't sense any hankering to up sticks and get back up north quickly and him turning down the chance to speak to Peterborough a couple of seasons back was quite telling in terms of his commitment.
I think he gets agitated with people harping back to the glory days of '86 and so on but I'm afraid, for him, that will always be brought up unless he can forge a similarly new era - unlikely given some of the monied clubs currently operating in the lower leagues.
He's built an affinity with the club, that I'm sure of, and by that I mean I don't think he would leave flippantly. It would be a wrench and I think the club has a place in his affections for probably ever more. Who's the last manager we can say that of ? Denis Smith maybe ? Malcolm Shotton possibly despite never achieving managerial success as Wilder has done.
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Post by realist on Apr 16, 2012 12:36:53 GMT
With JPP, he did the same with Green, Midson and Bullman, who went onto achieve greater things, when given a fair chance. Just by chance he came back to Oxford, and proved wilder wrong, as the others did at different clubs. Tell me about the 'greater things' Matt Green has achieved, I'd really like to hear about them. Also, could you please explain why JPP came back 'Just by chance'? 28 goals he should have been given a chance .He has more pace than both constable and Rendall he may even have learnt how to put the ball in the net.He would not be any worse than the curent strikers with their goal per game return.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2012 13:20:43 GMT
.. is a bit of humility now and again. He seems to have this "my way or no way" attitude. Morgan is a case in point. He feels he has to play to play Morgan to justify his getting him in. It was the same with Guy and Philliskirk. Johnson is far better than Morgan skillwise and effortwise but Wilder wont play him. I dont buy this "coming back from injury" bollocks either. If Johnson is fit then he should be playing. Some of Wilder's tactics and substitutions have always raised eyebrows, and to me this is just another case of doing things just to be bloody minded. Its ok for a manager to admit he gets things wrong; we all make mistakes after all. I expect people will totally disagree with these comments, but this is just how I see things. Based on what I've seen I'd agree with you - Johnson over Morgan every time, but Wilder trains with the players day in day out. If he plays Morgan over Johnson then he's doing it because he thinks he'll do a better job not to prove a point or because he's bloody minded! We have to accept that as fans we don't know as much about the players as Wilder does.
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Post by m on Apr 17, 2012 8:11:12 GMT
Tell me about the 'greater things' Matt Green has achieved, I'd really like to hear about them. Also, could you please explain why JPP came back 'Just by chance'? 28 goals he should have been given a chance .He has more pace than both constable and Rendall he may even have learnt how to put the ball in the net.He would not be any worse than the curent strikers with their goal per game return. Yeah, yeah. I was interested in hearing about the 'greater things' that Matt Green has achieved though, I'd still really like to hear about them. You also forgot to explain why JPP came back 'Just by chance', I'd really like to hear about this too.
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Post by junior1 on Apr 17, 2012 8:16:59 GMT
May be wrong but JPP got sent out on loan because of his attitude, whilst out he scored a few. Didn't he only return because of injury?
As I said, I may be wrong.
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Post by longliveclarkey on Apr 17, 2012 14:30:00 GMT
Tell me about the 'greater things' Matt Green has achieved, I'd really like to hear about them. Also, could you please explain why JPP came back 'Just by chance'? 28 goals he should have been given a chance .He has more pace than both constable and Rendall he may even have learnt how to put the ball in the net.He would not be any worse than the curent strikers with their goal per game return. Green had a great number of chances. He played huge numbers of league football matches before us, played a decent number with us and quite a few after us too with Cheltenham, in which several people conveniently seem to forget he scored no goals in 19 appearances despite being played down the middle. What he's gone on to do in the BSP (not that I believe he'll even close to replicate it in league 2) is great for him, but a real turn up for the books and not something anyone could have predicted with any conviction. Saying 'he should have been given a chance' is not only unfair, but making far too much use of hindsight.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Apr 17, 2012 14:38:40 GMT
Sometimes players do better in a new environment or club. Green didn't do it for Oxford despite whatever chances he did or didn't get and he certainly didn't do it for Cheltenham. He is an exceptional goalscorer at BSP level and he may be rewarded by playing L2 football next year. It didn't work out for him here. It works both ways, we take players on who haven't done it at previous clubs and we benefit. Much like Jack Midson. He couldn't dislodge Constable at the time, Beano scoring 17 goals in L2. He was played wide and didn't do enough to change Wilders thoughts. It happens. Ironically, Constable is now out of form and he may be replaced in the coming months, as I have predicted on the OxVox forum. Just my personal view. As for Wilder.....he needs to continue to keep his head down, working as hard as ever and installing the belief needed in the team and supporters to see us maintain our play-off position. We need to all stick together and it looks like Plymouth and Port Vale will demonstrate again that the supporters are right behind the club, management and playing staff. Morgan who I have supported and encouraged a great deal because that's what that type of players 'needs' will I think come good and yet to make a significant contribution to the season. It will then see both supporters and detractors probably claim it was there influence in seeing Dean start scoring and contributing. Wilder has got a tough job on, he probably is well aware of it and probably puts himself under the pressure needed to see him succeed.
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Post by oxymoron on Apr 17, 2012 18:23:34 GMT
May be wrong but JPP got sent out on loan because of his attitude, whilst out he scored a few. Didn't he only return because of injury?. IIRC, there was an interview with Pittman in January - might be YP or on RadOx - where JPP states that it was at his suggestion that he went on loan to Crawley with the aim of getting regular starts to sharpen his game and that it was always the intention that he returned to Oxford.
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