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Post by yellowg on Apr 15, 2012 7:31:05 GMT
YOU. I would like to spare a thought for the man in charge this morning. He is undoubtedly feeling the pressure to deliver this season and was very defensive in his interview yesterday. He obviously has worked/works tirelessly to continue our rise up the football league, and perhaps the players are feeling his tension???. I believe our success this season will not be solely down to tactics, formations and personel, but emotion, support and mentality.
Wilder is a human being and we have expectations as a group of fans which you could argue are higher than most in League 2. I would like to think we can help carry the lads in to League 1 and cut him some slack for a few weeks.
For me OUFC is like a marriage. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and pick up on the fact that some one who has your interests at heart is struggling. You compensate by giving and giving again - not with the hope that you get something back, but just because you care. Wilder has give me 3 great years as a supporter of OUFC. I'm not prepared to let him down now.
If we want league 1 football next seaason then there is an opportunity. At times like these we become extremely important.
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Post by Simon Lill on Apr 15, 2012 7:39:47 GMT
Amen!
Earlier in the season we called upon the 'spirit of '96' to help with our push for autos.
Well now we need to call upon the 'spirit of 2010' and unite for the final push.
Plymouth, Southend, Vale.
It's in OUR hands.
Come on Oxford!
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Post by conure on Apr 15, 2012 9:40:28 GMT
What Chris Wilder needs is to face up. He made a massive blunder yesterday by replacing Chapman rather than Morgan. He took of our only real creative midfielder. Keep harping on about the supporters and what they need to do rather than looking at a manager who earns a very good living from Oxford United is delusional. Sorry but if we fail then it's down to the manager not the supporters.
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Post by John Lennon on Apr 15, 2012 9:46:12 GMT
As we can see from the post above, some people are more worried about criticising Chris Wilder than actually supporting Oxford United.
Plymouth away is a long trip. But its a game that Oxford United need our support. So I will change my plans and be there, as our support is vital, and its a big game for our football club. So let's save the critism until we know where we will finish. Right now, Plymouth away and 3 points is all that matters
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Post by Guest on Apr 15, 2012 9:51:10 GMT
What Chris Wilder needs is to face up. He made a massive blunder yesterday by replacing Chapman rather than Morgan. He took of our only real creative midfielder. Keep harping on about the supporters and what they need to do rather than looking at a manager who earns a very good living from Oxford United is delusional. Sorry but if we fail then it's down to the manager not the supporters. That's now history. Whining on about it achieves nothing and helps OUFC not one jot. Three games to go. Get behind your team. Or carry on whining. How about that Jim Smith eh? 18 games undefeated and we still failed to get out of the BSP first time! |
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Post by Godders on Apr 15, 2012 10:30:50 GMT
What Chris Wilder needs is to face up. He made a massive blunder yesterday by replacing Chapman rather than Morgan. He took of our only real creative midfielder. Keep harping on about the supporters and what they need to do rather than looking at a manager who earns a very good living from Oxford United is delusional. Sorry but if we fail then it's down to the manager not the supporters. Wow, you're quite clueless. |
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Post by charliesghost on Apr 15, 2012 10:52:30 GMT
What Chris Wilder needs is to face up. He made a massive blunder yesterday by replacing Chapman rather than Morgan. He took of our only real creative midfielder. Keep harping on about the supporters and what they need to do rather than looking at a manager who earns a very good living from Oxford United is delusional. Sorry but if we fail then it's down to the manager not the supporters. Wow, you're quite clueless. The problem here is that there is a degree of truth on both sides: Wilder, as the thread says, needs us to be strong and supportive, not needlessly critical. But we need him to be strong and humble, committed to winning football matches not proving points. There has always been a suspicion with CW that he likes to "prove people wrong". It is a Yorkshire state of mind that never sits well with the slightly more self-assured Oxfordshire mindset. Hence his inclination to put OUFC down; to refer to perceived slights; to remind people constantly of his achievements. All these things erode sympathy, and - as with a marrigae - as affection erodes, the other side starts to become less tolerant of failings. I'd like to say that he has done a good job for us; that he has assembled a good defence, and a decent midfield. But his selection of forward players - and addiction to loanees in this area - is a point of real weakness. He can pick Morgan all he wants.... but we're not entirely foolish - we can see that he would never cut other players slack if they had that attitude. As things stand, Morgan has chieved next to nothing in his Oxford career.... yet he is built up by his manager as the best thing since sliced bread. Whereas Pittman was banished from the club for attitude that was never so conspicuously wrong. We need to be big in the next month, but so do you, Mr Wilder. Promotion is all that matters. If we finish 8th, no-one will care whether you were right or wrong about Morgan. Please let's see 11 fully committed players pulling on the yellow shirt next Saturday, and - in return - let's see Oxford fans give total support. |
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Post by yellowg on Apr 15, 2012 12:28:01 GMT
We are all on the same side - and all want the same thing.
I get the feeling sometimes that Wilder is treated like an outsider from the north who is only biding his time until Sheff Utd buy out his contract! In reality he has his faults, like we all do in life and at work, but although he try's to come across as mr tough guy, which he has to at times, he is more like me or you than we can imagine.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Apr 15, 2012 12:29:50 GMT
What Chris Wilder needs is to face up. He made a massive blunder yesterday by replacing Chapman rather than Morgan. He took of our only real creative midfielder. Keep harping on about the supporters and what they need to do rather than looking at a manager who earns a very good living from Oxford United is delusional. Sorry but if we fail then it's down to the manager not the supporters.It's not about placing blame - it's about refraining from placing blame until there is a REASON to place it. Honestly, it's not difficult to understand. |
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Post by longliveclarkey on Apr 15, 2012 13:27:39 GMT
We are all on the same side - and all want the same thing. I get the feeling sometimes that Wilder is treated like an outsider from the north who is only biding his time until Sheff Utd buy out his contract! In reality he has his faults, like we all do in life and at work, but although he try's to come across as mr tough guy, which he has to at times, he is more like me or you than we can imagine. That's what annoys me, actually. Alright, Wilder isn't perfect. Yes, he has some pretty obvious faults, as you'd probably expect of a league 2 manager. No, he's not going to get us back to our Milk Cup winning days in the near future. He has some favourites that I just don't understand, and he often doesn't get his combinations right in midfield. Criticise him for those if you will. But don't ever, ever, EVER try and pretend he's not a part of our club. How dare anyone say to him 'f*ck off out of OUR club'. A small minority of fans want to try and make him unwelcome and emphasise the fact he's from the north and we're not, and that he's somehow a passenger with our great vehicle of a club. This being the same guy who turned our fortunes around when we were 18th in the BSP, the guy who pulled us out of non-league obscurity and the guy who's managed us to our first victory at the County Ground in decades. By all means criticise him (though I'd prefer saving it til the end of the season), but just don't act like he's not a true part of Oxford United. |
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Post by timlane on Apr 15, 2012 14:36:56 GMT
What Chris Wilder needs is to face up. He made a massive blunder yesterday by replacing Chapman rather than Morgan. He took of our only real creative midfielder. Keep harping on about the supporters and what they need to do rather than looking at a manager who earns a very good living from Oxford United is delusional. Sorry but if we fail then it's down to the manager not the supporters. What complete and unmitigated rubbish. What really hacks me off is that you seem to think you have a greater perception of what is happening on the pitch to a guy who has improved our competitive status as a club season upon season. Of course CW isn't without flaws - even Sir Alex has those - but how would you like it if he posited comments about your professional capabilities - whatever they may be - without any relevent experience to back them up? |
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Post by Guest on Apr 15, 2012 14:45:31 GMT
He needs to start trying by being a little more humble then.
Anyways who has told him to 'F*** off out of the club' then? Are these the people he seems to have arguments with in and around the SSL area? If so, that's not on but what can he/stewards/fans do about it? Move these supporters away and house them somewhere else if this is becoming a serious problem.
Yes he has delivered success and he deserves credit for it. He has got us to the end of the season with a chance of getting in the extended 'season' and that had to be his objective.
But we are supposed to be in this together and at times, he doesn't make me feel that way.
The constant harping on about three promotions in four years (which in yesterday's interview he had to correct himself as he meant three 'successful' seasons which resulted in being in and around the play-offs) is getting tiresome. We didn't get in the Play-Offs last season, we may not get into them this season and we fell into them the season we got promoted.
He makes constant jibes at the supporters (seemingly grouping a few stupid nasty comments as universal of the fanbase) and that's why people are at him.
We all want OUFC to succeed and his refusal to listen only alienates himself. His comment yesterday that Dean Morgan would be playing the rest of the season is directed to the abuse the boy got, which had some, a little, justification to it. For two years supporters talk about his strikers, we don't have one who is even in the top 15 of league goalscorers - he hasn't yet rectified that glaring issue.
The booing of the substitutions is disappointing but a reaction from part of the crowd about our results, he made a mistake in my view with pulling Chapman off but he's the manager.
Chris needs to start pulling this feeling of being all in it together around because otherwise this is eventually going to end in only one outcome.
His interview yesterday was a from a man who is under clear pressure and was reeling from what happened, including the abuse from the stands.
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Post by Guest on Apr 15, 2012 14:49:58 GMT
He needs to start trying by being a little more humble then. Anyways who has told him to 'F*** off out of the club' then? Are these the people he seems to have arguments with in and around the SSL area? If so, that's not on but what can he/stewards/fans do about it? Move these supporters away and house them somewhere else if this is becoming a serious problem. Yes he has delivered success and he deserves credit for it. He has got us to the end of the season with a chance of getting in the extended 'season' and that had to be his objective. But we are supposed to be in this together and at times, he doesn't make me feel that way. The constant harping on about three promotions in four years (which in yesterday's interview he had to correct himself as he meant three 'successful' seasons which resulted in being in and around the play-offs) is getting tiresome. We didn't get in the Play-Offs last season, we may not get into them this season and we fell into them the season we got promoted. He makes constant jibes at the supporters (seemingly grouping a few stupid nasty comments as universal of the fanbase) and that's why people are at him. We all want OUFC to succeed and his refusal to listen only alienates himself. His comment yesterday that Dean Morgan would be playing the rest of the season is directed to the abuse the boy got, which had some, a little, justification to it. For two years supporters talk about his strikers, we don't have one who is even in the top 15 of league goalscorers - he hasn't yet rectified that glaring issue. The booing of the substitutions is disappointing but a reaction from part of the crowd about our results, he made a mistake in my view with pulling Chapman off but he's the manager. Chris needs to start pulling this feeling of being all in it together around because otherwise this is eventually going to end in only one outcome. His interview yesterday was a from a man who is under clear pressure and was reeling from what happened, including the abuse from the stands. Excellent post. Don't necessarily agree with all of it, but points very well made. This is how to make what could be perceived as anti-Wilder comments in an intelligent, thoughtful way rather than screaming "Wilder out". Well done Valhalla. |
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Post by conure on Apr 15, 2012 14:59:57 GMT
Well now then, I have just returned from lunch with a good friend who attended a golf day last week and to say it was an interesting conversation would be putting it mildly. Don't think for one moment Mr Wilder is as committed to our club as some of you lot think.
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Post by bigman2 on Apr 15, 2012 15:09:06 GMT
Well now then, I have just returned from lunch with a good friend who attended a golf day last week and to say it was an interesting conversation would be putting it mildly. Don't think for one moment Mr Wilder is as committed to our club as some of you lot think. Great post, really constructive, unless you back it up with fact, why bother?? Adds nothing of any substance. I heard from a blokes mates brother etc etc...., |
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Post by Guest on Apr 15, 2012 15:13:43 GMT
Well now then, I have just returned from lunch with a good friend who attended a golf day last week and to say it was an interesting conversation would be putting it mildly. Don't think for one moment Mr Wilder is as committed to our club as some of you lot think. "READ ALL ABOUT IT" Shock! Horror" Football manager might not spend his entire career at his present club .... Why not take a leaf out of Valhalla's book and post something intelligent and worthwhile? |
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Apr 15, 2012 15:37:06 GMT
Well now then, I have just returned from lunch with a good friend who attended a golf day last week and to say it was an interesting conversation would be putting it mildly. Don't think for one moment Mr Wilder is as committed to our club as some of you lot think. Don't care. He's here for the next three weeks at least and that's what matters. You really don't seem able to grasp any of this. |
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Post by Guest on Apr 15, 2012 15:48:51 GMT
Well now then, I have just returned from lunch with a good friend who attended a golf day last week and to say it was an interesting conversation would be putting it mildly. Don't think for one moment Mr Wilder is as committed to our club as some of you lot think. Go on then, I'll bite. What was said. |
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Post by charliesghost on Apr 15, 2012 16:28:49 GMT
Well now then, I have just returned from lunch with a good friend who attended a golf day last week and to say it was an interesting conversation would be putting it mildly. Don't think for one moment Mr Wilder is as committed to our club as some of you lot think. Ridiculous post. I'd ignore it, but others will wonder... The reality is that we only need him to be committed to success and his own career. His own career will be boosted by achieving success with us; and damaged by failing with us. It's always been clear to me that Wilder has no great affection for our club. Some big football figures 'get' Oxfordshire (Jim Smith; Denis Smith; Jim Magilton; Billy Hamilton; Matty Elliott etc) - they tend to be of a type who find the lack of local chippinness refreshing. Then you get northerners who find us totally alienating and are forever casting eyes northwards. Wilder is in the latter camp - but so was Aldridge.... so was Shotton, really (from my experiences of him), and so was Windass. But Aldo and Shotton did pretty big things for OUFC - as did Windass. Do I care if Wilder loves OUFC? Not sure - his life would be easier if he did. But do I think it makes the slightest difference to his professional commitment? Not for a moment. Even if his dream is managing Sheff U, he knows that that is more, not less, likely if he gets us promoted... |
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Post by moomooland on Apr 15, 2012 17:35:54 GMT
Football managers are professionals and most would jump ship in an instant if they were offered a better job.
I don't suppose Wilder is any different.
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Post by hiswansong on Apr 15, 2012 20:36:38 GMT
As we can see from the post above, some people are more worried about criticising Chris Wilder than actually supporting Oxford United. Plymouth away is a long trip. But its a game that Oxford United need our support. So I will change my plans and be there, as our support is vital, and its a big game for our football club. So let's save the critism until we know where we will finish. Right now, Plymouth away and 3 points is all that matters He's giving his opinion, as to what wilder should do ffs, but of course you never read what other people actually post, just what you think they post. |
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Post by John Lennon on Apr 15, 2012 20:38:15 GMT
As we can see from the post above, some people are more worried about criticising Chris Wilder than actually supporting Oxford United. Plymouth away is a long trip. But its a game that Oxford United need our support. So I will change my plans and be there, as our support is vital, and its a big game for our football club. So let's save the critism until we know where we will finish. Right now, Plymouth away and 3 points is all that matters He's giving his opinion, as to what wilder should do ffs, but of course you never read what other people actually post, just what you think they post. These trolls never make much sense.... |
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Post by hiswansong on Apr 15, 2012 20:40:11 GMT
Wow, you're quite clueless. The problem here is that there is a degree of truth on both sides: Wilder, as the thread says, needs us to be strong and supportive, not needlessly critical. But we need him to be strong and humble, committed to winning football matches not proving points. There has always been a suspicion with CW that he likes to "prove people wrong". It is a Yorkshire state of mind that never sits well with the slightly more self-assured Oxfordshire mindset. Hence his inclination to put OUFC down; to refer to perceived slights; to remind people constantly of his achievements. All these things erode sympathy, and - as with a marrigae - as affection erodes, the other side starts to become less tolerant of failings. I'd like to say that he has done a good job for us; that he has assembled a good defence, and a decent midfield. But his selection of forward players - and addiction to loanees in this area - is a point of real weakness. He can pick Morgan all he wants.... but we're not entirely foolish - we can see that he would never cut other players slack if they had that attitude. As things stand, Morgan has chieved next to nothing in his Oxford career.... yet he is built up by his manager as the best thing since sliced bread. Whereas Pittman was banished from the club for attitude that was never so conspicuously wrong. We need to be big in the next month, but so do you, Mr Wilder. Promotion is all that matters. If we finish 8th, no-one will care whether you were right or wrong about Morgan. Please let's see 11 fully committed players pulling on the yellow shirt next Saturday, and - in return - let's see Oxford fans give total support. With JPP, he did the same with Green, Midson and Bullman, who went onto achieve greater things, when given a fair chance. Just by chance he came back to Oxford, and proved wilder wrong, as the others did at different clubs. |
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Post by Guest on Apr 15, 2012 20:41:54 GMT
He's giving his opinion, as to what wilder should do ffs, but of course you never read what other people actually post, just what you think they post. These trolls never make much sense.... Oh, I don't know. This particular troll just called me a "tosser" and an "idiot" in a PM which must have made sense to him! |
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Post by hiswansong on Apr 15, 2012 20:42:35 GMT
What Chris Wilder needs is to face up. He made a massive blunder yesterday by replacing Chapman rather than Morgan. He took of our only real creative midfielder. Keep harping on about the supporters and what they need to do rather than looking at a manager who earns a very good living from Oxford United is delusional. Sorry but if we fail then it's down to the manager not the supporters.It's not about placing blame - it's about refraining from placing blame until there is a REASON to place it. Honestly, it's not difficult to understand. What reasoning then would you put down to the fact that we have taken around 5 points from 15, and lost/drawn games at home, we should have won, to cement a play off place? Would you blame the fans? |
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Post by hiswansong on Apr 15, 2012 20:45:52 GMT
What Chris Wilder needs is to face up. He made a massive blunder yesterday by replacing Chapman rather than Morgan. He took of our only real creative midfielder. Keep harping on about the supporters and what they need to do rather than looking at a manager who earns a very good living from Oxford United is delusional. Sorry but if we fail then it's down to the manager not the supporters. What complete and unmitigated rubbish. What really hacks me off is that you seem to think you have a greater perception of what is happening on the pitch to a guy who has [glow=red,2,300]improved our competitive status as a club season upon season.[/glow]Of course CW isn't without flaws - even Sir Alex has those - but how would you like it if he posited comments about your professional capabilities - whatever they may be - without any relevent experience to back them up? You could only make such a comment when the season is over, and we are sitting in the play offs, otherwise, what improvement would there be on last season? |
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Post by hiswansong on Apr 15, 2012 20:50:31 GMT
Well now then, I have just returned from lunch with a good friend who attended a golf day last week and to say it was an interesting conversation would be putting it mildly. Don't think for one moment Mr Wilder is as committed to our club as some of you lot think. "READ ALL ABOUT IT" Shock! Horror" Football manager might not spend his entire career at his present club .... Why not take a leaf out of Valhalla's book and post something intelligent and worthwhile? FFs, if he had told the story of his lunch, you would be having a go at him for being unloyal to darling' chris. Is it because there may be some substance to the mans post, that may blow your world apart, about wilders credentials and loyalty? |
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Post by hiswansong on Apr 15, 2012 20:53:07 GMT
He's giving his opinion, as to what wilder should do ffs, but of course you never read what other people actually post, just what you think they post. These trolls never make much sense.... Exactly as I was saying, you never respond to what you don't want to hear, lemon old boy! |
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Post by headingtonoldboy on Apr 15, 2012 20:55:05 GMT
.. is a bit of humility now and again. He seems to have this "my way or no way" attitude. Morgan is a case in point. He feels he has to play to play Morgan to justify his getting him in. It was the same with Guy and Philliskirk. Johnson is far better than Morgan skillwise and effortwise but Wilder wont play him. I dont buy this "coming back from injury" bollocks either. If Johnson is fit then he should be playing. Some of Wilder's tactics and substitutions have always raised eyebrows, and to me this is just another case of doing things just to be bloody minded. Its ok for a manager to admit he gets things wrong; we all make mistakes after all.
I expect people will totally disagree with these comments, but this is just how I see things.
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Post by Guest on Apr 15, 2012 20:55:32 GMT
"READ ALL ABOUT IT" Shock! Horror" Football manager might not spend his entire career at his present club .... Why not take a leaf out of Valhalla's book and post something intelligent and worthwhile? FFs, if he had told the story of his lunch, you would be having a go at him for being unloyal to darling' chris. Is it because there may be some substance to the mans post, that may blow your world apart, about wilders credentials and loyalty? So you think a football manager leaving to move to another club is world shattering. You're deluded, "pal". PS Looking forward to your next completely bonkers PM. |
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