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Post by salaghaf on Feb 16, 2011 22:28:30 GMT
Keep (in no particular order):
MacClean Clarke Wright Worley McLaren
Maybe/maybe not - depending on our level of ambition:
Constable Batt Craddock Potter Hall
Get rid:
Tonkin Purkiss Clist Heslop Midson Deering Green Kinniburgh
Unsure (as not seen them play enough to judge):
Payne Hackney Eastwood Sangare Gaughan
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Post by beano4england on Feb 16, 2011 22:35:52 GMT
i say keep beano tommy alest for a season see how they do and panye could easily cut it a league 1 if he shows the form he did when we was playing
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Post by longliveclarkey on Feb 16, 2011 22:37:41 GMT
You can't may keep Hall and get rid of him Really only maybe Constable, Batt and Craddock? Would you really only keep 9 players of our current side if we got promoted? I don't know if they'd be good enough to push us of and upward, but we can't assume if we got promoted we could replace all those players, let alone find players better. (brackets means maybe Keep: Clarke (Eastwood) Batt Wright Worley (Kinni) (Tonks) Heslop Payne Maclaren (Clist) (Hall) Constable Maclean Craddock (Potter) Hackney (Midson) Seems more realistic to me
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Post by bicesterox on Feb 16, 2011 22:42:42 GMT
Bit early for this sort of thread isnt it?
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Post by Yellowbrains on Feb 16, 2011 22:51:15 GMT
Difficult to say as I'm not sure about what standard of player you would need in League 1, but I would guess it would be a major rebuild job again. I'd keep quite a few of the younger players (Deering excepted) because they have potential and it would be good to see if they continue their development, but I do worry about the cost of recruiting quality players good enough for League 1 when we get there.
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Post by salaghaf on Feb 16, 2011 23:06:34 GMT
You can't may keep Hall and get rid of him Really only maybe Constable, Batt and Craddock? Would you really only keep 9 players of our current side if we got promoted? I don't know if they'd be good enough to push us of and upward, but we can't assume if we got promoted we could replace all those players, let alone find players better. (brackets means maybe Keep: Clarke (Eastwood) Batt Wright Worley (Kinni) (Tonks) Heslop Payne Maclaren (Clist) (Hall) Constable Maclean Craddock (Potter) Hackney (Midson) Seems more realistic to me Hall Should be a Maybe. I really do believe that we will need to rebuild again once we get promoted. Most of the Conference players will simply not be good enough. What really excites me is the way in which Wilder manages to ongoingly dismantle/reconstruct the squad and first team whilst still maintaing a sense of continuation. Does anyone else feel this way? The more i consider where we were when he took over, the more i consider him to be a genius. Almost ever week he is looking to bring in someone to improve the squad just that little bit more. And freshen it up. Standing still for Wilder is not an option. If we do go up this year he will have an almighty clear out. But it will be a gradual one over 2 or 3 months. He carefully analyses what we have, considers where we want to go and what we need to change to get there, and then he makes decisions about who to let go and who to bring in based on these thoughts. And if he makes a mistake he learns from it. This is based on the evidence so far. If we get promoted we will need to re-build around the core 5 i have mentioned. I would anticipate that by January we would have at least 10 new squad players. Probably more. If we do not get promoted then it will require re-building around the core 5 plus the "maybes" next year.
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Post by bornyellow on Feb 16, 2011 23:12:52 GMT
Bit early for this sort of thread isnt it? Agreed.
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Post by salaghaf on Feb 16, 2011 23:14:31 GMT
Difficult to say as I'm not sure about what standard of player you would need in League 1, but I would guess it would be a major rebuild job again. I'd keep quite a few of the younger players (Deering excepted) because they have potential and it would be good to see if they continue their development, but I do worry about the cost of recruiting quality players good enough for League 1 when we get there. Point noted. Money would be an issue. There are a lot of quality "freebees" floating around most summers though. And we would still be one of the "bigger" clubs in league 1. So we could possibly attract the better "out of contract" players? Would our gates grow much more in league 1? I suspect we could attract 8 to 9 thousand a week. How much more, on average, do league 1 players earn over league 2 players? It could be possible that we would be finacially better off if we stayed in league 2?
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Post by moobs on Feb 16, 2011 23:19:49 GMT
Why have we got to constantly change the team all the time? It's not something I buy into.
Get a settled side and stick with it
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Feb 16, 2011 23:30:38 GMT
So u would consider getting rid of craddock? Salaghaf u are a cock!!
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Post by Best Mate on Feb 16, 2011 23:43:02 GMT
Personally I am a believer in not changing teams for 'changes' sake. If the squad is good enough to get us up - why make so many changes? Wilder did what was necessary to improve our squad this time around but a lot of the thought was to bring in younger players - so why would he disregard so many so quickly after one (successful?) season? I think our squad has a decent base now - and probably would think that a standard 5 or 6 will come in/ out over the Summer/ Jan. However, I think it will be players on the edge that move on etc. (3 of your unsure list with LSD and A N OTHER). Beano does not have his best few games and you consider him surplus? The guy has been excellent for a long period. I certainly hope the characters that what make our team would not be disregarded. Bring in quality yes, but do not dismantle what has taken you there. Anyway, its all hyperthetical until we know where we are!! I hope we can have this chat come May!
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Feb 17, 2011 0:13:04 GMT
What he said ^^^^^^ people on here have slated wilder for too many changes, we have a young talented squad so keep the core of the squad together and get rid of the deadwood
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 17, 2011 0:20:07 GMT
Though I think some rebuilding would be necessary in order for us to push on in L1 it doesn't not follow that we have to take the whole side apart. Carlisle did extremely well in their first season in L1 with basically the same squad with which they had won L2 and those players were in the main the ones they had escaped the conference with.
Likewise, Exeter held their own the first season in that league with a squad not disimmilar to the one that played us when they went up. Heck, peterborough went up to the championship with what was in effect a L2 squad.
Wilder is without doubt an ambitious manager and we have got used to rebuilding at the club becaise he obviously wishes to push on and as he has said, dislikes seasons of consolidation. Thus, last season he invested in many new players and when we were not challenging for promotion this term older faces were shipped out to be replaced with new ones, the result being that we are now in with a decent shout of promotion. All of this is of course not to say that we would have struggled in this league had we not, in wilder's words 'freshened things up.' We have simply got used to the idea of player's tenures at the club being short and of players being 'not good enough' because of wilder's ambitious approach.
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Post by KLYellow on Feb 17, 2011 0:23:19 GMT
Why have we got to constantly change the team all the time? It's not something I buy into. Get a settled side and stick with it Agree with you Moobs. A team such as Bournemouth which am sure have a pretty similar standard of player and wage structure as us, can do just as well as the big teams such as Sheff Wed and Southampton which am sure have some players on 5,000 a week
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Post by cookox on Feb 17, 2011 13:10:30 GMT
Difficult to say as I'm not sure about what standard of player you would need in League 1, but I would guess it would be a major rebuild job again. I'd keep quite a few of the younger players (Deering excepted) because they have potential and it would be good to see if they continue their development, but I do worry about the cost of recruiting quality players good enough for League 1 when we get there. Point noted. Money would be an issue. There are a lot of quality "freebees" floating around most summers though. And we would still be one of the "bigger" clubs in league 1. So we could possibly attract the better "out of contract" players? Would our gates grow much more in league 1? I suspect we could attract 8 to 9 thousand a week. How much more, on average, do league 1 players earn over league 2 players? It could be possible that we would be finacially better off if we stayed in league 2? do you really believe we would be a big club in league 1?
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Post by salaghaf on Feb 17, 2011 13:51:20 GMT
Point noted. Money would be an issue. There are a lot of quality "freebees" floating around most summers though. And we would still be one of the "bigger" clubs in league 1. So we could possibly attract the better "out of contract" players? Would our gates grow much more in league 1? I suspect we could attract 8 to 9 thousand a week. How much more, on average, do league 1 players earn over league 2 players? It could be possible that we would be finacially better off if we stayed in league 2? do you really believe we would be a big club in league 1? Yes i do. Our average home attendance this year is 7168. That is higher than 17 teams currently in league 1. And i am sure our average would increase further if we got promoted - to say 8500 to 9000. An average of 9000 would put usd in 5th place behind Southampton, Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton and Huddersfield.
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Post by KLYellow on Feb 18, 2011 0:00:18 GMT
Salaghaf, I dont think there would be a major jump in attendances if we got to Div 1. Apart from Soton, Sheff W, Swindon, Charlton, the rest of the teams you could say are no more attractive than say Rotherham for example. I would expect maybe our base home support to rise from around 6,500 to 7,000. Average away following for most of the teams bringing 500 with sellouts against Soton & Swindon, and Charlton & Sheff W bringing around 1500.
Plus attendances wouldnt make us a "bigger" club. I would envisage KT would still keep finances tight, but allow CW to maybe pay upto 1500 a week for a player, from the probably max of 1000. The established teams in Div 1 or ones that have come down from Championship would be paying their players between 2k and 5k a week.
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Post by hht on Feb 18, 2011 0:39:54 GMT
Are you joking get rid of Beasno and Craddock? Our two top scorers... thats wise.
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Post by socrates on Feb 18, 2011 16:19:43 GMT
It's a bit early but I have no doubt whatsoever that Hall, Tonkin, Purkiss and Midson would be out of their depth in the league above
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Post by bigfella72 on Feb 19, 2011 11:12:07 GMT
Sounds like salaghaf is planning on another promotion?
I'm sure most Oxford fans would be happy with consolidation if we got promoted again as most of them would be happy for that this season!
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Post by secondsout on Feb 19, 2011 14:32:23 GMT
The players that are good enough to play in the league above, and that I would go out of my way to keep if I was in charge, are: -
MacLean Clarke Wright Worley McLaren Craddock Payne Hackney
The players who have the potential but I would let move on if I got offers for are: -
Constable Batt Potter Hall Clist Tonkin
Players that would definitely go are: -
Purkiss Heslop Midson Deering Green Kinniburgh Sangare
Players ive not seen so cant comment are: -
Eastwood Gaughan
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Post by middlebartonyellow on Feb 20, 2011 15:42:20 GMT
The players that would go are probably the ones that are out of contract.
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