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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 11, 2011 8:15:55 GMT
Has anyone on here worked,lived or visited a Muslim country? I have been to Egypt, in Alexandria I spoke to a lot of Egyptain Christians, the Copts, they are worried, their churches get attacked find it hard to get jobs and nobody not even in the West seems to care about them. It will be interesting how they are treated after the current demonstrations have stopped. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptswww.copts.co.uk/I have also been to Turkey, the beautiful coast and Istanbul but I know their treatment of the Kurds is pretty shocking for a country that want to be part of Europe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Turkeyand their denial of the Armenian holocaust. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
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Post by KLYellow on Feb 11, 2011 9:58:41 GMT
Yes, been to many and never had any issues.
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 11, 2011 10:10:34 GMT
Out of interest which ones? Indonesia, Malaysia?
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 11, 2011 10:11:01 GMT
Has anyone on here worked,lived or visited a Muslim country? I have been to Egypt, in Alexandria I spoke to a lot of Egyptain Christians, the Copts, they are worried, their churches get attacked find it hard to get jobs and nobody not even in the West seems to care about them. It will be interesting how they are treated after the current demonstrations have stopped. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptswww.copts.co.uk/I have also been to Turkey, the beautiful coast and Istanbul but I know their treatment of the Kurds is pretty shocking for a country that want to be part of Europe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Turkeyand their denial of the Armenian holocaust. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_GenocideYeh, I too spent most of my holiday in Egypt chatting to Christians about their plight, and clearly your visit to Turkey makes you an expert on Kurd nationalism. You are trolling. You have searched the internet for stories that cast Moslems in a poor light. Why not be honest about your intentions?
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 11, 2011 10:15:25 GMT
oh is that right? But no I am not an expert in Kurd nationalism but I have spoken to them here in Oxford and my wifes friend is married to a Turkish Kurd in North London so I do know their point of view, but I agree there are 2 sides to every story.
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Post by yellowhun on Feb 11, 2011 10:35:11 GMT
I went to Bradford once - does that qualify?
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Post by alessandro on Feb 11, 2011 10:41:30 GMT
Ive been to Egypt.
I have been most impressed with the behaviour of their army, and the restraint and commitment in such refrained manner of their people in the strive for democracy. It's has been an impeccable display of conscientious people power.
It has surprised me because when I spent a month backpacking there,and the locals were by far and away the biggest bunch of jockeys I've had the misfortune to spend time around anywhere on my travels. Quite frankly I have a list of anecdotes about egyptians in Cairo, Luxor, Aswan, etc that paints them as a host country to tourists in a very bad light.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 11, 2011 11:04:57 GMT
I lived in Dubai for 2 years, not an experience I'm keen to repeat, more because of the soulless nature of the place and the expats than the locals.
I've worked in the Middle East for about 15 years and been to most of the countries in Middle East & North Africa - I've not been to Syria, Iran, Afghanistan or Sudan. I aim to go to Syria soon and I'd love to go to Iran - most of the Iranians I've met are charming people and friends who have visited tell me it's a fun place to go.
For some reason I don't go around seeking out disaffected minorities so the people I meet are generally the business community, the sort of people you meet in decent hotels & bars and taxi drivers. Generally speakiing I've found the majority of people there are just like people here, except more polite and better educated.
I spent a lot of time in Cairo over the past 15 years and while I agree there a load of chancers and bellends around (and I expect the same in other tourist places), oh & I wish they wouldn't do that "Wiz plezzure, zur" and "As you wish" when you ask how much something is, it's also true that, rocketing around the place in disintegrating taxis, I've met more disinterested kindness & courtesy there than just about anywhere else I can think of.
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Post by yellowhun on Feb 11, 2011 11:35:16 GMT
I lived in Dubai for 2 years, not an experience I'm keen to repeat, more because of the soulless nature of the place and the expats than the locals. I've worked in the Middle East for about 15 years and been to most of the countries in Middle East & North Africa - I've not been to Syria, Iran, Afghanistan or Sudan. I aim to go to Syria soon and I'd love to go to Iran - most of the Iranians I've met are charming people and friends who have visited tell me it's a fun place to go. For some reason I don't go around seeking out disaffected minorities so the people I meet are generally the business community, the sort of people you meet in decent hotels & bars and taxi drivers. Generally speakiing I've found the majority of people there are just like people here, except more polite and better educated.I spent a lot of time in Cairo over the past 15 years and while I agree there a load of chancers and bellends around (and I expect the same in other tourist places), oh & I wish they wouldn't do that "Wiz plezzure, zur" and "As you wish" when you ask how much something is, it's also true that, rocketing around the place in disintegrating taxis, I've met more disinterested kindness & courtesy there than just about anywhere else I can think of. Did you really. Well, in keeping with your views, why don't you f*ck off and live with your Arab buddies?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 11:44:29 GMT
I lived in Dubai for 2 years, not an experience I'm keen to repeat, more because of the soulless nature of the place and the expats than the locals. I've worked in the Middle East for about 15 years and been to most of the countries in Middle East & North Africa - I've not been to Syria, Iran, Afghanistan or Sudan. I aim to go to Syria soon and I'd love to go to Iran - most of the Iranians I've met are charming people and friends who have visited tell me it's a fun place to go. For some reason I don't go around seeking out disaffected minorities so the people I meet are generally the business community, the sort of people you meet in decent hotels & bars and taxi drivers. Generally speakiing I've found the majority of people there are just like people here, except more polite and better educated.I spent a lot of time in Cairo over the past 15 years and while I agree there a load of chancers and bellends around (and I expect the same in other tourist places), oh & I wish they wouldn't do that "Wiz plezzure, zur" and "As you wish" when you ask how much something is, it's also true that, rocketing around the place in disintegrating taxis, I've met more disinterested kindness & courtesy there than just about anywhere else I can think of. Did you really. Well, in keeping with your views, why don't you f*ck off and live with your Arab buddies? Wow, that's a lot of pent up agression. But an apt way to demonstrate his point none the less.
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 11, 2011 11:53:20 GMT
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 11, 2011 12:11:00 GMT
Generally speaking I've found the majority of people there are just like people here, except more polite and better educated. Did you really. Well, in keeping with your views, why don't you f*ck off and live with your Arab buddies? Mostly because you get a better class of banter in this country.
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Post by yellowhun on Feb 11, 2011 12:19:54 GMT
Did you really. Well, in keeping with your views, why don't you f*ck off and live with your Arab buddies? Mostly because you get a better class of banter in this country. Do you really?
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 11, 2011 12:29:21 GMT
Some of you might not believe this but Moslems eat their own children. It's true. I read it on the back of a corn flakes packet.
You'd be mad to respect any of these foreigners. According to a waiter in our local Indian - he's Bangladeshi, but that's foreign so his view holds water - Chinese people eat panda fin soup, or something, and the educated classes in Egypt are caught in the dichotomy of whether to tread water in the hope that religious extremists fail to take a hold in their country, or to migrate to this country and buy up another block of Belgravia.
Why can't all these Third World countries be civilised, like us? I mean, at the same stage in our cultural development we weren't behaving so barbarically, were we?
Yellowhun - what's with you man? You make a funny post about Bradford in keeping with the thread (ie ironic, apart from Boltonsmiley's contributions), then bash poor old Mr Cannell around the head for doing likewise. I'm not taking sides, but are you a Moslem? EDIT - Just seen your last post. The winking smiley makes everything OK. Cool.
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 11, 2011 12:36:26 GMT
Some of you might not believe this but Moslems eat their own children. It's true. I read it on the back of a corn flakes packet. You'd be mad to respect any of these foreigners. According to a waiter in our local Indian - he's Bangladeshi, but that's foreign so his view holds water - Chinese people eat panda fin soup, or something, and the educated classes in Egypt are caught in the dichotomy of whether to tread water in the hope that religious extremists fail to take a hold in their country, or to migrate to this country and buy up another block of Belgravia. Why can't all these Third World countries be civilised, like us? I mean, at the same stage in our cultural development we weren't behaving so barbarically, were we? Yellowhun - what's with you man? You make a funny post about Bradford in keeping with the thread (ie ironic, apart from Boltonsmiley's contributions), then bash poor old Mr Cannell around the head for doing likewise. I'm not taking sides, but are you a Moslem? EDIT - Just seen your last post. The winking smiley makes everything OK. Cool. Wonder if your waiter friend will be in the East End on Feb. 21st to celebrate Bengali after the Pakistanis tried to force them to speak Urdu. www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/bangladeshis_unite_for_martyrs_day_1_798943
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 11, 2011 12:42:56 GMT
Why can't all these Third World countries be civilised, like us? I mean, at the same stage in our cultural development we weren't behaving so barbarically, were we? Stiil are. I watched a sandal-wearing, VW camper-driving pinko drop a live crab into a pot of boiling water on TV last night.
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 11, 2011 12:42:58 GMT
Some of you might not believe this but Moslems eat their own children. It's true. I read it on the back of a corn flakes packet. You'd be mad to respect any of these foreigners. According to a waiter in our local Indian - he's Bangladeshi, but that's foreign so his view holds water - Chinese people eat panda fin soup, or something, and the educated classes in Egypt are caught in the dichotomy of whether to tread water in the hope that religious extremists fail to take a hold in their country, or to migrate to this country and buy up another block of Belgravia. Why can't all these Third World countries be civilised, like us? I mean, at the same stage in our cultural development we weren't behaving so barbarically, were we? Yellowhun - what's with you man? You make a funny post about Bradford in keeping with the thread (ie ironic, apart from Boltonsmiley's contributions), then bash poor old Mr Cannell around the head for doing likewise. I'm not taking sides, but are you a Moslem? EDIT - Just seen your last post. The winking smiley makes everything OK. Cool. Wonder if your waiter friend will be in the East End on Feb. 21st to celebrate Bengali after the Pakistanis tried to force them to speak Urdu. www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/bangladeshis_unite_for_martyrs_day_1_798943Well since that incident happened in 1952 I doubt he's bothered. In any case, as he's a Bangladeshi from an independent country called Bangladesh I doubt he's worried about what Pakistan may or may not wish to do. In 1952 Bangladesh was East Pakistan, but I'm sure you knew that.
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 11, 2011 12:47:08 GMT
I sure did and that 85 % of waiters in Indian restaurants are infact Bangladeshi. Have you been to the Jaipur in Milton Keynes, tasty!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 11, 2011 12:48:46 GMT
To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed that boltonsmiley hasn't mentioned Armenians yet.
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 11, 2011 12:51:55 GMT
To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed that boltonsmiley hasn't mentioned Armenians yet. why what happened there?!
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Post by yellowhun on Feb 11, 2011 12:51:59 GMT
Some of you might not believe this but Moslems eat their own children. It's true. I read it on the back of a corn flakes packet. You'd be mad to respect any of these foreigners. According to a waiter in our local Indian - he's Bangladeshi, but that's foreign so his view holds water - Chinese people eat panda fin soup, or something, and the educated classes in Egypt are caught in the dichotomy of whether to tread water in the hope that religious extremists fail to take a hold in their country, or to migrate to this country and buy up another block of Belgravia. Why can't all these Third World countries be civilised, like us? I mean, at the same stage in our cultural development we weren't behaving so barbarically, were we? Yellowhun - what's with you man? You make a funny post about Bradford in keeping with the thread (ie ironic, apart from Boltonsmiley's contributions), then bash poor old Mr Cannell around the head for doing likewise. I'm not taking sides, but are you a Moslem? EDIT - Just seen your last post. The winking smiley makes everything OK. Cool. Poppadoms?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 11, 2011 12:52:37 GMT
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 11, 2011 12:54:10 GMT
I sure did and that 85 % of waiters in Indian restaurants are infact Bangladeshi. Have you been to the Jaipur in Milton Keynes, tasty! Jaipur's OK, but if you want an Indian in CMK there are two better, in my opinion. La Hind is in the station square where Jaipur used to be until it relocated to the warehouse. The original chef is still there. The Rajhdani (sp?) is near Waitrose in the shopping centre and is also good. By chance, the best two Indians in the whole MK area are both in the small town of Woburn Sands, about 6 miles from CMK. Woburn Fort and Jalori - both superb.
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 11, 2011 12:55:43 GMT
I sure did and that 85 % of waiters in Indian restaurants are infact Bangladeshi. Have you been to the Jaipur in Milton Keynes, tasty! Jaipur's OK, but if you want an Indian in CMK there are two better, in my opinion. La Hind is in the station square where Jaipur used to be until it relocated to the warehouse. The original chef is still there. The Rajhdani (sp?) is near Waitrose in the shopping centre and is also good. By chance, the best two Indians in the whole MK area are both in the small town of Woburn Sands, about 6 miles from CMK. Woburn Fort and Jalori - both superb. cheers will try them, hopefully we will play Milton Keynes next year.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 11, 2011 13:00:31 GMT
I have been to Egypt, in Alexandria I spoke to a lot of Egyptain Christians, the Copts, they are worried, their churches get attacked find it hard to get jobs and nobody not even in the West seems to care about them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptswww.copts.co.uk/You know, you should write a book on these experiences. Are you called Bob? You could call it "Copts and Robert's".
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Post by yellowhun on Feb 11, 2011 13:01:49 GMT
Only because I was suffering a minor bout of dyslexia when I was filling in my application to become an American.
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Post by winchesterox on Feb 11, 2011 13:12:44 GMT
If you want to read about the treatment of Christians in Muslim Countries you could always try looking here. barnabasfund.org/
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 11, 2011 13:25:51 GMT
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Post by loveandpride on Feb 11, 2011 13:29:26 GMT
Went to Egypt but that was before it was OK not to hate Mulims so I didn't really think about it.
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Post by winchesterox on Feb 11, 2011 13:38:09 GMT
Thanks YH, an interesting read. I am constantly horrified by man's inhumanity to man. However, I cannot help but think the websites do differ a bit on the type of content. The Barnabus Fund tends to focus on persecution of Christians in countries where there is no war or major conflict of some kind, whilst the Islam Awareness site tends to focus on major conflict situations. Not really equal are they?
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