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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 7, 2011 0:46:43 GMT
On the commentary for the superbowl (bear with me this is football related) the commentators mentioned that the quarterback with the Pittsburgh Steelers was the subject of 'accusations' from a female before the season and as a result was charged with a breach of the NFL code of conduct and dropped for several games.
My point is this, should a similar code be introduced into the football league and prem? The alegations against Roethlisburger the quarterback turned out to be unfounded and nontheless he was the subject of a pretty hefty punishment. In this country we have players like Rooney and Ashley Cole conducting activities which could well be regarded as a breach of a code of conduct and yet are not sanctioned at all.
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Post by Rugbyox on Feb 7, 2011 1:12:09 GMT
Not a bad idea, but if your gonna ban people even if its untrue your just gonna get opposition girls saying the star players sexual assaulted them just to get them banned for a while
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Post by tonyw on Feb 7, 2011 2:02:07 GMT
Not a bad idea, but if your gonna ban people even if its untrue your just gonna get opposition girls saying the star players sexual assaulted them just to get them banned for a while But it's not simply about whether the players are guilty of a criminal offense or not. In the Roethlisberger case, the guy was on a pretty hefty bar crawl, he got the girl in question wasted and then followed her into the toilets. What happened after that is unknown, and the DA didn't have the evidence to go after Roethlisberger for sexual assault. But from the NFL's perspective - his behaviour was still not appropriate for a gazillionaire sportsman, and it brought the league into disrepute. It's not enough to simply not be charged with a crime - you shouldn't be acting like a t*at and getting yourself into trouble in the first place. Gave him a six match ban (which is about a third of the season). I would love it if the Premiership brought in something similar here. If you're going to be paid the big money, and set yourself up as a role model for kids, you should be held to higher standards of behaviour.
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Post by moobs on Feb 7, 2011 9:36:49 GMT
The mentality is different in America. Like censorship on TV, underage drinking and how they deal with crime. They are much more serious on alot of aspects of life whereas the British are far more laid back.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 7, 2011 18:15:00 GMT
The mentality is different in America. Like censorship on TV, underage drinking and how they deal with crime. They are much more serious on alot of aspects of life whereas the British are far more laid back. That might be the case, but just because we are more laid back doesn't mean that, in principle, we should not have a similar code in this country. It would certainly make the likes of cashley and wayne 'serial whoremeister' rooney, think twice about their extra-curricular activities which can only act as a terrible example to impressionable youngsters, or face the consequences.
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Post by hairy on Feb 7, 2011 18:21:37 GMT
Premier league teams would have trouble fielding a team if we bought that in. What has it got to do with any of us if Ashley Cole cheats on his missus? If your leaving the moral upbringing of your kids up to premier league footballers you probably shouldnt of had children.
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Post by Chris1986 on Feb 7, 2011 18:48:30 GMT
They should have a code of conduct for facebook and twitter...
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Post by moobs on Feb 7, 2011 21:33:27 GMT
They should have a code of conduct for facebook and twitter... Not really,if you post something on the web, the whole world can see it, you don't need a code to stop you, common sense should
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Post by tonyw on Feb 8, 2011 0:35:49 GMT
Premier league teams would have trouble fielding a team if we bought that in. What has it got to do with any of us if Ashley Cole cheats on his missus? If your leaving the moral upbringing of your kids up to premier league footballers you probably shouldnt of had children. To be fair, the NFL doesn't ban people for personal stuff along those lines. Antonio Cromartie of the New York Jets famously has managed to father nine children, with eight different mothers, in six states over five years. By all reports he's a bit of a scumbag. But the NFL does step in when players' behaviour starts to get them into trouble with the law.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 8, 2011 14:08:49 GMT
It wasn't Roethlisberger's first offence. He has a pending court case from an alleged offence 3 years ago. The guy really was a nasty piece of work and has had quite a reputation as the party guy where anything goes. It's alleged he was out partying last week in Pittsburgh before the Super Bowl.
Cromartie really is a moron. He didn't molest those women and hasn't been arrested or having a pending court case. He's just moronic scum bag.
The NFL have got a lot stricter since the idiot lawyer took over as commissione a few years ago. They are aware that player indiscretions reflects badly on the league so work harder towards punishing players even if they haven't been punished in the courts. I certainly think Cashley Cole may not have been suspended, but would have been reminded of responsibilities. Terry could well have been banned.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 8, 2011 14:17:47 GMT
It wasn't Roethlisberger's first offence. He has a pending court case from an alleged offence 3 years ago. The guy really was a nasty piece of work and has had quite a reputation as the party guy where anything goes. It's alleged he was out partying last week in Pittsburgh before the Super Bowl. Cromartie really is a moron. He didn't molest those women and hasn't been arrested or having a pending court case. He's just moronic scum bag. The NFL have got a lot stricter since the idiot lawyer took over as commissione a few years ago. They are aware that player indiscretions reflects badly on the league so work harder towards punishing players even if they haven't been punished in the courts. I certainly think Cashley Cole may not have been suspended, but would have been reminded of responsibilities. Terry could well have been banned. I think that is the most impressive thing about the sanctioning of players who make high profile gaffes. In this country we seem not to understand the fcat that footballers acting like bell#nds whether legal or illegal reflects negatively on the game and sets a poor example to aspiring players and impressionable younger fans alike.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 15:22:58 GMT
But it's not simply about whether the players are guilty of a criminal offense or not. In the Roethlisberger case, the guy was on a pretty hefty bar crawl, he got the girl in question wasted and then followed her into the toilets. What happened after that is unknown, and the DA didn't have the evidence to go after Roethlisberger for sexual assault. But from the NFL's perspective - his behaviour was still not appropriate for a gazillionaire sportsman, and it brought the league into disrepute. It's not enough to simply not be charged with a crime - you shouldn't be acting like a t*at and getting yourself into trouble in the first place. Gave him a six match ban (which is about a third of the season). I would love it if the Premiership brought in something similar here. If you're going to be paid the big money, and set yourself up as a role model for kids, you should be held to higher standards of behaviour. Thats fair enough in that case, but how about when some fame-hungry slapper claims that she had an affair with a footballer? Unless its true (and there is no proof) the footballer hasn't done anything wrong whatsoever. The incentives for women to make these allegations would be greater than they already are.
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Post by Chris1986 on Feb 8, 2011 17:13:27 GMT
They should have a code of conduct for facebook and twitter... Not really,if you post something on the web, the whole world can see it, you don't need a code to stop you, common sense should These are millionaire footballers in their late teens early twenties.... there is no common sense involved
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 8, 2011 17:52:59 GMT
But it's not simply about whether the players are guilty of a criminal offense or not. In the Roethlisberger case, the guy was on a pretty hefty bar crawl, he got the girl in question wasted and then followed her into the toilets. What happened after that is unknown, and the DA didn't have the evidence to go after Roethlisberger for sexual assault. But from the NFL's perspective - his behaviour was still not appropriate for a gazillionaire sportsman, and it brought the league into disrepute. It's not enough to simply not be charged with a crime - you shouldn't be acting like a t*at and getting yourself into trouble in the first place. Gave him a six match ban (which is about a third of the season). I would love it if the Premiership brought in something similar here. If you're going to be paid the big money, and set yourself up as a role model for kids, you should be held to higher standards of behaviour. Thats fair enough in that case, but how about when some fame-hungry slapper claims that she had an affair with a footballer? Unless its true (and there is no proof) the footballer hasn't done anything wrong whatsoever. The incentives for women to make these allegations would be greater than they already are. Obviously you would have to establish what nature of allegations would trigger sanction. Perhaps curbing the cash papers can play fame hungry slappers as you put it, should be part of it too.
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