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Post by hairy on Feb 6, 2011 13:33:14 GMT
16 straight league wins for Barcelona after a 3-0 win over Athletico Madrid with a Messi hat trick, Arsenal must be shitting themselves. If they cant win at Newcastle after being 4-0 up cant imagine them even keeping the score respectable at the Nou camp. Think it will be 3-1 at the Emirates and 5-0 at the Nou camp giving a 8-1 aggregate score to Barcelona.
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Post by tatabanya on Feb 6, 2011 13:36:47 GMT
But it doesn't work like that does it. I agree that it will be tough for Arsenal especially in Barcelona, but if any team can beat them in Europe when they are playing well it is Arsenal. Using your argument do you think Barca could have lived with Arsenal in the first half yesterday?
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Post by hairy on Feb 6, 2011 13:55:32 GMT
Of course Barcelona could of lived with Arsenal in the first half yesterday, Arseal wont have the ball 4 times let alone score 4. Do you think that Arsenal's defensive collapse yesterday will have no relevance against the best attack in the world? The fact that Barce are on fire and playing some of the best football I have ever seen might be quite pertinent. Arsenal's only hope was that Barcelona would hit a bad spell and a run of 16 straight league wins dash's that. Why are Arsenal the team most likely to beat Barcelona in europe, they are not even the best team in England.
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Post by tonyw on Feb 6, 2011 13:58:14 GMT
I have a strong suspicion that Barca would not have played like Newcastle did in the first half yesterday. They were a shambles. Meanwhile Barca were - once again - utterly dominant.
Barca are one of the greatest Spanish sides in living memory. Arsenal, meanwhile, are still 4 points off the top of one of the weakest Premierships in its history. And they play a very similar style of football (someone like Chelsea - if they're truly back in form - might have a chance because they'll have a go at bullying Barca into submission. Arsenal will be going like-for-like and they're simply not as good)
I find it astonishingly hard to see Arsenal getting anything other than a drubbing.
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Post by tatabanya on Feb 6, 2011 14:01:22 GMT
For the same reason that it has been teams such as Blackpool and Wolves who have given Man U the most problems. If Fabregas, Walcott and Van Persie show up at the Emirates you can expect any of the ball that Arsenal receive to be used pretty well. I agree that the Arsenal defence does not look up to the task, but Vermaalen will be fit for the game at the Camp Nou strengthening their back line ten fold. Nasri will also be fit making Arsenal counter attacks all the more dangerous.
I agree that Barca are clearly the best team in world football at the moment. But football is not a science, and from my footballing brain I conclude that Arsenal will give them a game. You clearly don't, so let's just wait and see.
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Post by hairy on Feb 6, 2011 14:11:07 GMT
Although I do expect Arsenal to get turned over I partly started the thread to get a bite out of moobs. So fair play to you for having the courage to come out and support your team, unlike moobs who appears to be keeping his head down and running scared of the heavy defeat Arsenal are likely to get. Facing Barcelona must be a little like waiting for a firing squad.
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Post by tatabanya on Feb 6, 2011 14:14:30 GMT
Definitely NOT my team I support Oxford
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Post by hairy on Feb 6, 2011 14:19:13 GMT
Sorry thought you were one of the Premier league second team lot on here, am an Oxford fan only myself. Can never get my head around the idea of supporting two club sides myself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 20:41:44 GMT
Barca are one of the greatest Spanish sides in living memory. You could probably remove a few words from that sentence Arsenal might give them a game at the Emirates, but at the Nou Camp it will be at least 4. But thats no disgrace on Arsenal, any of the big English teams would/will get stuffed by them. Football is a funny old game and Barcelona can be beaten, but I think a tough physical team is more likely to do it than a team who plays their game.
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Post by moobs on Feb 6, 2011 21:18:53 GMT
Barca are one of the greatest Spanish sides in living memory. You could probably remove a few words from that sentence Arsenal might give them a game at the Emirates, but at the Nou Camp it will be at least 4. But thats no disgrace on Arsenal, any of the big English teams would/will get stuffed by them. Football is a funny old game and Barcelona can be beaten, but I think a tough physical team is more likely to do it than a team who plays their game. People fall into the trap of thinking because Arsenal are not 'tough' they will get murdered but there's no use trying to contain Barca, you might keep the score more respectable but they'll break you down eventually. Better off taking the game to them and playing your usual game. Stranger things have happened
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Post by junior1 on Feb 6, 2011 21:29:32 GMT
You could probably remove a few words from that sentence Arsenal might give them a game at the Emirates, but at the Nou Camp it will be at least 4. But thats no disgrace on Arsenal, any of the big English teams would/will get stuffed by them. Football is a funny old game and Barcelona can be beaten, but I think a tough physical team is more likely to do it than a team who plays their game. People fall into the trap of thinking because Arsenal are not 'tough' they will get murdered but there's no use trying to contain Barca, you might keep the score more respectable but they'll break you down eventually. Better off taking the game to them and playing your usual game. Stranger things have happened Isn't that what Real did earlier in the season and got stuffed???
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Post by moobs on Feb 6, 2011 21:44:15 GMT
People fall into the trap of thinking because Arsenal are not 'tough' they will get murdered but there's no use trying to contain Barca, you might keep the score more respectable but they'll break you down eventually. Better off taking the game to them and playing your usual game. Stranger things have happened Isn't that what Real did earlier in the season and got stuffed??? Arsenal are better than Real
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Post by junior1 on Feb 6, 2011 21:46:46 GMT
Isn't that what Real did earlier in the season and got stuffed??? Arsenal are better than Real I'll give you that. Very good... Now for your next joke! Why dont we have a bet on the margin of agg score?? Seeing as your so confident??
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Feb 6, 2011 21:53:24 GMT
Obviously I prefer Arsenal to Man Utd or Chelsea, but I think vs Barca its obvious that they are more likely to take a heavy beating than either of the other two. The style of play is too similar, there is no way they can play the sort of game Inter or Chelsea did against them. I expect at least 4 or 5 in the Nou Camp.
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Post by alessandro on Feb 7, 2011 12:41:38 GMT
I have a strong suspicion that Barca would not have played like Newcastle did in the first half yesterday. They were a shambles. Meanwhile Barca were - once again - utterly dominant. Barca are one of the greatest Spanish sides in living memory. Arsenal, meanwhile, are still 4 points off the top of one of the weakest Premierships in its history. And they play a very similar style of football (someone like Chelsea - if they're truly back in form - might have a chance because they'll have a go at bullying Barca into submission. Arsenal will be going like-for-like and they're simply not as good) I find it astonishingly hard to see Arsenal getting anything other than a drubbing. Disagree. When Liverpool are languishing in 8th with that much talent this is not a weak Premier League. Decent teams like Villa are down near the bottom. And there are five teams (Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U and Man CIty, with five of the strongest squads this league has ever seen. The team that wins it won't be the best team to have ever won it, and there are a couple of very weak teams down at the bottom, but I still think there is a heck of alot of talent and quality in there compared to some of the previous seasons.
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 7, 2011 14:51:48 GMT
Arsenal are better than Real I'll give you that. Very good... Now for your next joke! Why dont we have a bet on the margin of agg score?? Seeing as your so confident?? No he's right. If club co-efficients are anything to go by then Arsenal are better than Real Madrid on the basis they are more consistant. Real Madrid blow hot and cold more than any team I know, and when they are bad, they are REALLY bad - such as against Barca. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#Club_coefficient
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 15:00:39 GMT
Real Madrid blow hot and cold more than any team I know, and when they are bad, they are REALLY bad - such as against Barca. Generally yes, but this seasons Real are pretty solid as all Mourinhos teams are. They weren't really bad against Barca.
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Post by moobs on Feb 7, 2011 15:13:08 GMT
Well Arsenal are closer in their league than Real, in a domestic cup final, went further in last years' Champions League, been in a Champions league final more recently, the last time they played eachother Arsenal won.
If that doesn't prove Arsenal are better I don't know what else can....
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Post by hairy on Feb 7, 2011 16:30:32 GMT
Strange that your so concerned with Real Madrid moobs, you given up on the barcelona tie already?
Read these stats about Messi in the paper today - 40 goals already this season, with an incredible 26 from 19 league games. Considering its only the begining of febuary thats some superhuman form. Still how would he do against Stoke?
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Post by moobs on Feb 7, 2011 16:50:48 GMT
To be honest, i'm not going to convince anyone that Arsenal will beat Barcelona. I think it could be closer than most people think though.
I think they're in a no lose situation, no pressure, no-one can criticise if they lose and if they do they can concentrate on their impending title win....
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Post by tonyw on Feb 7, 2011 17:19:10 GMT
I have a strong suspicion that Barca would not have played like Newcastle did in the first half yesterday. They were a shambles. Meanwhile Barca were - once again - utterly dominant. Barca are one of the greatest Spanish sides in living memory. Arsenal, meanwhile, are still 4 points off the top of one of the weakest Premierships in its history. And they play a very similar style of football (someone like Chelsea - if they're truly back in form - might have a chance because they'll have a go at bullying Barca into submission. Arsenal will be going like-for-like and they're simply not as good) I find it astonishingly hard to see Arsenal getting anything other than a drubbing. Disagree. When Liverpool are languishing in 8th with that much talent this is not a weak Premier League. Decent teams like Villa are down near the bottom. And there are five teams (Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U and Man CIty, with five of the strongest squads this league has ever seen. The team that wins it won't be the best team to have ever won it, and there are a couple of very weak teams down at the bottom, but I still think there is a heck of alot of talent and quality in there compared to some of the previous seasons. OK, that's a fair counter-argument. That the reason all the top teams are dropping points all over the place is because the baseline is higher this season than ever before. And without doubt the likes of Spurs & City have stepped up their games. But I look at the top sides play, and I just think that this year's Premiership is lacking any great sides. When you watched Arsenal's invincibles, or Mourinho's Chelsea or countless of Fergie's best Man U teams and they were, more often than not, intimidatingly good. I don't see that from any of this year's contenders on even a semi-regular basis. I guess the rest of the Champions League will give us the evidence either way.....
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Post by alessandro on Feb 7, 2011 20:38:59 GMT
Agreed.
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Post by Beav on Feb 7, 2011 21:48:08 GMT
soccernet.espn.go.com/team/fixtures/_/id/83/barcelona?cc=5739I was going to say something about how Barcalona haven't destroyed teams by more than 2 in many games recently - why would they v Arsenal... Then I looked at their results and they haven't scored less than 3 since January 5th when they drew 1 - 1 with Athletico Bilbao
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Post by longliveclarkey on Feb 7, 2011 21:55:09 GMT
soccernet.espn.go.com/team/fixtures/_/id/83/barcelona?cc=5739I was going to say something about how Barcalona haven't destroyed teams by more than 2 in many games recently - why would they v Arsenal... Then I looked at their results and they haven't scored less than 3 since January 5th when they drew 1 - 1 with Athletico Bilbao And also seem to concede a goal roughly every third game by the look of it. Anyone got their season possession stats? That's an even scarier thought.
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