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Post by dannyc on Feb 4, 2011 23:53:59 GMT
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Post by bicesterox on Feb 4, 2011 23:59:30 GMT
Its Germany's
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Post by luvthepink on Feb 5, 2011 0:13:49 GMT
Danny you look quite fit
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Post by Chris1986 on Feb 5, 2011 1:00:54 GMT
Invade Poland?
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Post by DodgeCitySkin on Feb 5, 2011 2:06:02 GMT
Lovin' the Adidas Sambas on the lady to the right of the picture!
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Post by loveandpride on Feb 5, 2011 7:14:11 GMT
Lovin' the Adidas Sambas on the lady to the right of the picture! Old Skool!, Oh yeah get back in your box Danny
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Post by sihath on Feb 5, 2011 12:43:07 GMT
That was what I was thinking..... then France.
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Post by dannyc on Feb 5, 2011 14:48:32 GMT
That was what I was thinking..... then France. When were the British people ever asked whether they wanted mass immigration and i don't see why your silly reference to ww2 is anything to do with it .
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Post by DodgeCitySkin on Feb 6, 2011 5:25:02 GMT
Danny you look quite fit No,silly Thats Miss February off the Ayrian Babes calendar!
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Post by sihath on Feb 6, 2011 14:56:24 GMT
That was what I was thinking..... then France. When were the British people ever asked whether they wanted mass immigration and i don't see why your silly reference to ww2 is anything to do with it . I was trying to be humorous rather than silly. There are a lot of things that the British people haven't been directly asked if we wanted. European Union membership, capital punishment, an end to the monarchy. However we get a chance to vote for political parties who want to stop immigration, and encourage repatriation. They haven't got enough votes to put their policies into law. The parties that get the majority of the vote are the ones who make the laws.
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 6, 2011 19:48:41 GMT
When were the British people ever asked whether they wanted mass immigration and i don't see why your silly reference to ww2 is anything to do with it . I was trying to be humorous rather than silly. There are a lot of things that the British people haven't been directly asked if we wanted. European Union membership, capital punishment, an end to the monarchy. However we get a chance to vote for political parties who want to stop immigration, and encourage repatriation. They haven't got enough votes to put their policies into law. The parties that get the majority of the vote are the ones who make the laws. .... and Danny doesn't vote for any of them. He still thinks he's entitled to moan about how they use their power though. If you choose not to vote you lose any privileges under the democratic process, in my view.
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Post by hairy on Feb 6, 2011 20:01:58 GMT
Surely if danny pays taxes that gives him a right to moan about what our elected representatives do? He is helping to pay their wages after all. Sort of admire danny for not voting at the last election, I voted but with no enthusiasm at the choice on offer. Maybe its people like me who vote out of a feeling of responsibility rather than any genunine wish to see someone elected who have helped to cause the situation we are in at the moment - three similar parties with very little popular mandate.
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 6, 2011 20:07:05 GMT
Surely if danny pays taxes that gives him a right to moan about what our elected representatives do? He is helping to pay their wages after all. Sort of admire danny for not voting at the last election, I voted but with no enthusiasm at the choice on offer. Maybe its people like me who vote out of a feeling of responsibility rather than any genunine wish to see someone elected who have helped to cause the situation we are in at the moment - three similar parties with very little popular mandate. I disagree. There are a range of parties with political opinion to appeal to everyone. If you vote UKIP, say, and they fail to get any MPs you are entitled to criticise the new government, whoever they are, if you feel they're wasting your taxes. You've made the effort to join the political process and influence policy. If you can't be arsed voting, tough.
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 6, 2011 20:19:20 GMT
Surely if danny pays taxes that gives him a right to moan about what our elected representatives do? He is helping to pay their wages after all. Sort of admire danny for not voting at the last election, I voted but with no enthusiasm at the choice on offer. Maybe its people like me who vote out of a feeling of responsibility rather than any genunine wish to see someone elected who have helped to cause the situation we are in at the moment - three similar parties with very little popular mandate. I disagree. There are a range of parties with political opinion to appeal to everyone. If you vote UKIP, say, and they fail to get any MPs you are entitled to criticise the new government, whoever they are, if you feel they're wasting your taxes. You've made the effort to join the political process and influence policy. If you can't be arsed voting, tough. Agreed. If all those who didn't vote got off their fat arses and voted someone else then we could well have a different government.
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Post by klimt on Feb 6, 2011 20:34:04 GMT
What needs to be done Danny?
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Post by klimt on Feb 6, 2011 20:39:33 GMT
Surely if danny pays taxes that gives him a right to moan about what our elected representatives do? He is helping to pay their wages after all. Sort of admire danny for not voting at the last election, I voted but with no enthusiasm at the choice on offer. Maybe its people like me who vote out of a feeling of responsibility rather than any genunine wish to see someone elected who have helped to cause the situation we are in at the moment - three similar parties with very little popular mandate. Your post is, in its own way, is as convoluted as Danny's. Danny has the same right to free speech as anyone else, his contributions to HMRC are irrelevant. I enjoy the same right, and exercise it to confront racists and sniping morons who use anonymous internet fora to communicate their thinly disguised stupidity. What was your point again?
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 6, 2011 20:46:21 GMT
That was what I was thinking..... then France. When were the British people ever asked whether they wanted mass immigration and i don't see why your silly reference to ww2 is anything to do with it . They were not asked if their fellow commonwealth citizens should come over and fill the manufacturing posts that badly needed to be filled in order to keep our economy ticking over and growing in the 1950s. Then again those same commonwealth citizens were not asked if Britain could invade their countries and make millions from their resources and move them thousands of miles from their homelands to grow sugar for our economy thus forcing them to be part of the "motherlands empire". Nor were they asked if they wanted to fight in wars alongside us to protect Britain and it's interests. In many ways they and their ancestors have done more for our economy over the last hundred years than any "indigenous Britain" has!
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Post by moobs on Feb 6, 2011 21:30:18 GMT
That was what I was thinking..... then France. I thought Poland invaded us?
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Post by flean on Feb 7, 2011 22:11:29 GMT
Great comment.
Afghanistan bans bikinis - risks European anger.
- Christopher Haslett, Canada, 05/2/2011 06:00
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Post by sihath on Feb 8, 2011 12:52:54 GMT
Surely if danny pays taxes that gives him a right to moan about what our elected representatives do? He is helping to pay their wages after all. Sort of admire danny for not voting at the last election, I voted but with no enthusiasm at the choice on offer. Maybe its people like me who vote out of a feeling of responsibility rather than any genunine wish to see someone elected who have helped to cause the situation we are in at the moment - three similar parties with very little popular mandate. Danny has every right to moan, regardless of if he votes or not. The point I was making was that we all get "asked" what we want at an election. No political party will represent everything that we want, you have to go with the one that answers most of your questions the way you want.
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Post by dannyc on Feb 8, 2011 12:55:07 GMT
Surely if danny pays taxes that gives him a right to moan about what our elected representatives do? He is helping to pay their wages after all. Sort of admire danny for not voting at the last election, I voted but with no enthusiasm at the choice on offer. Maybe its people like me who vote out of a feeling of responsibility rather than any genunine wish to see someone elected who have helped to cause the situation we are in at the moment - three similar parties with very little popular mandate. Danny has every right to moan, regardless of if he votes or not. The point I was making was that we all get "asked" what we want at an election. No political party will represent everything that we want, you have to go with the one that answers most of your questions the way you want. well why do loads people still vote for Labour and conservative then after all these years they have both failed this country .
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Post by sihath on Feb 8, 2011 12:55:55 GMT
Danny has every right to moan, regardless of if he votes or not. The point I was making was that we all get "asked" what we want at an election. No political party will represent everything that we want, you have to go with the one that answers most of your questions the way you want. well why do loads people still vote for Labour and conservative then after all these years they have both failed this country . Best of a bad bunch I guess.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 8, 2011 13:06:16 GMT
That and the electoral system which tends to ensure that in most constituencies there is seldom a choice of more than 2 parties and frequently not even that - look at the results for South Oxfordshire & Henley for the last 50 years.
I voted for the liberals because I thought they could force a change to the electoral system that would provide some real choice; now they're talking about maybe introducing AVP (drop the bottom candidate and re-assign his votes till somebody has > 50%) which I don't think will help the smaller parties at all.
Very frustrating.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Feb 8, 2011 13:08:14 GMT
When were the British people ever asked whether they wanted mass immigration and i don't see why your silly reference to ww2 is anything to do with it . They were not asked if their fellow commonwealth citizens should come over and fill the manufacturing posts that badly needed to be filled in order to keep our economy ticking over and growing in the 1950s. Then again those same commonwealth citizens were not asked if Britain could invade their countries and make millions from their resources and move them thousands of miles from their homelands to grow sugar for our economy thus forcing them to be part of the "motherlands empire". Nor were they asked if they wanted to fight in wars alongside us to protect Britain and it's interests. In many ways they and their ancestors have done more for our economy over the last hundred years than any "indigenous Britain" has! I cant speak for other countries but certainly were in Jamaica, Marcus Garvey was the main driving force encouraging black peoples to volunteer. He wasn't happy with the Caribbean being represented by whites-only volunteers and great believer in the African originated peoples being equal on all levels recognising that with that comes both rough and smooth. Garvey is often misrepresented, hijacked and may have made mistakes but he was, in my opinion, very consistent. It's a shame the gutless civil servants in Whitehall didn't respond in kind and treated our volunteers so poorly. oh, and we are not citizens, we're subjects.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Feb 8, 2011 13:09:18 GMT
I disagree. There are a range of parties with political opinion to appeal to everyone. If you vote UKIP, say, and they fail to get any MPs you are entitled to criticise the new government, whoever they are, if you feel they're wasting your taxes. You've made the effort to join the political process and influence policy. If you can't be arsed voting, tough. Agreed. If all those who didn't vote got off their fat arses and voted someone else then we could well have a different government. I think if you’re a Tory or lib in a marginal then you should definitely vote because the constituency borders are so massively, massively stacked in labours favour its ridiculously unjust. I mean, last election labour got a lower percentage of the vote than the Tory’s did this time around but won with landslide majority of nearly 100 seats! Tory’s got a grater share of the votes but were forced to create a coalition. Stats: This election: consv: 36.1% = 306 seats labour: 29.0% = 258 seats Last election labour: 35.2% = 355 seats consv: 32.4% = 198 seats I’m no proponent of PR, but I really don’t get why there isn’t more outrage over this. If it was in an African country we’d be all be mocking them but its right under nose and there’s little interest in it.
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 8, 2011 13:23:46 GMT
Danny has every right to moan, regardless of if he votes or not. The point I was making was that we all get "asked" what we want at an election. No political party will represent everything that we want, you have to go with the one that answers most of your questions the way you want. well why do loads people still vote for Labour and conservative then after all these years they have both failed this country . Because people such as Moobs for instance regard a vote for anyone other that Labservative is a wasted vote. It is not a wasted vote. The turnout was 65% - meaning 35% of those eligible to vote didn't. That is more enough to sway the election in any direction. That could have got the Lib Debs, Green Party, UKIP or even the BNP in to power. I'm not sure about your constituency Danny, but mine had 6 parties to choose from.
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Post by dannyc on Feb 8, 2011 14:10:54 GMT
well why do loads people still vote for Labour and conservative then after all these years they have both failed this country . Because people such as Moobs for instance regard a vote for anyone other that Labservative is a wasted vote. It is not a wasted vote. The turnout was 65% - meaning 35% of those eligible to vote didn't. That is more enough to sway the election in any direction. That could have got the Lib Debs, Green Party, UKIP or even the BNP in to power. I'm not sure about your constituency Danny, but mine had 6 parties to choose from. do you ever see one of them parties getting anywhere near that sort of vote in the near future .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 14:11:32 GMT
I agree its partly because a lot of people don't bother voting or just vote for who they have always voted for.
But its also largely due to the fact that Labour, the Tories and the Liberals more or less have the sensible middle ground covered and parties outside these three are very much single issue parties or extremist. Any good politician who occupies the centre ground will join up with whichever of the main parties best fits his/her view rather than start a new one.
I like the fact that we have a coalition, because it will make people realise that it isn't as simple as Labour think that, Tories think this...in reality there are as many differences in the views within one of the three main parties as there are between the three.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 8, 2011 21:24:09 GMT
They were not asked if their fellow commonwealth citizens should come over and fill the manufacturing posts that badly needed to be filled in order to keep our economy ticking over and growing in the 1950s. Then again those same commonwealth citizens were not asked if Britain could invade their countries and make millions from their resources and move them thousands of miles from their homelands to grow sugar for our economy thus forcing them to be part of the "motherlands empire". Nor were they asked if they wanted to fight in wars alongside us to protect Britain and it's interests. In many ways they and their ancestors have done more for our economy over the last hundred years than any "indigenous Britain" has! I cant speak for other countries but certainly were in Jamaica, Marcus Garvey was the main driving force encouraging black peoples to volunteer. He wasn't happy with the Caribbean being represented by whites-only volunteers and great believer in the African originated peoples being equal on all levels recognising that with that comes both rough and smooth. Garvey is often misrepresented, hijacked and may have made mistakes but he was, in my opinion, very consistent. It's a shame the gutless civil servants in Whitehall didn't respond in kind and treated our volunteers so poorly. oh, and we are not citizens, we're subjects. Yes, some commonwealth countries conscripted while some volunteered in WW2 (although was not referring just to this war), i should not have generalised! However, if your going to be pedantic ie citizen or subject make sure your factually correct (which you are not in relation to my use of the word citizen), otherwise by trying to be clever you look stupid which after giving us the low down on on Garvey ect was clearly the opposite of what you intended!
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 9, 2011 9:26:11 GMT
Because people such as Moobs for instance regard a vote for anyone other that Labservative is a wasted vote. It is not a wasted vote. The turnout was 65% - meaning 35% of those eligible to vote didn't. That is more enough to sway the election in any direction. That could have got the Lib Debs, Green Party, UKIP or even the BNP in to power. I'm not sure about your constituency Danny, but mine had 6 parties to choose from. do you ever see one of them parties getting anywhere near that sort of vote in the near future . Stranger things have happened. If enough people stand up and make a stand, then Yes you CAN change things. Although you won't change things by not voting. As I said 35% would have been enough to win the election for any party.
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