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Post by Robin Shater on Feb 3, 2011 11:52:59 GMT
What a sickening game football can be, when a premiership club can pay £50 million for a player, a 22 year old can earn be paid £100K+ per week & just two days later at the other end of the ladder, Windsor & Eton FC (Formed 1892) go out of business for just £250,000.
Just think how much, even just a 1% levy on transfers, would help, if it was channelled down to where it is desperately needed.
The premiership & it's greed disgusts me.
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Post by Simon Lill on Feb 3, 2011 12:19:54 GMT
Amen!
Its the arrogance that surrounds the whole setup that winds me up as well.
Thank f**k for the lower leagues
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Post by sihath on Feb 3, 2011 12:26:52 GMT
What a sickening game football can be, when a premiership club can pay £50 million for a player, a 22 year old can earn be paid £100K+ per week & just two days later at the other end of the ladder, Windsor & Eton FC (Formed 1892) go out of business for just £250,000. Just think how much, even just a 1% levy on transfers, would help, if it was channelled down to where it is desperately needed. The premiership & it's greed disgusts me. I wonder how much a 0.1% levy on the salaries of Premier League players would raise?
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Feb 3, 2011 12:49:05 GMT
Windsor & Eton FC (Holdings) Ltd were officially wound up in the High Court today ending any hope of survival for Windsor & Eton FC.
Having decided not to contest the winding up order from HMRC the curtain was finally brought down on the clubs during a hearing this morning.
Club president, commentator Barry Davies, told BBC Berkshire: "The FA doesn't seem to be too generous to the lesser clubs.
"Not enough money in football these days filters down. It's one law for the rich and another for the poor."
He added: "There have been others at a very much higher level who've been bailed out in one fashion or another.
"It's a huge shame because a lot of unknown people will be suffering, people who've given their time for the club."
Former Director Kevin Stott is now working with Crown Estates to ensure transfer of the clubs lease to enable the social facilities to remain open.
Stott is also in the process of putting together plans to resurect the club, under a new name, ready for the start of the 2011/2012 season.
Very sad state of affairs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 13:02:53 GMT
The first step should be the administration of the whole game by the FA.
Allowing the Premier League to break free was a huge mistake because they do things in the interests of making money, not in the interests of the game.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 3, 2011 15:04:27 GMT
What a sickening game football can be, when a premiership club can pay £50 million for a player, a 22 year old can earn be paid £100K+ per week & just two days later at the other end of the ladder, Windsor & Eton FC (Formed 1892) go out of business for just £250,000. Just think how much, even just a 1% levy on transfers, would help, if it was channelled down to where it is desperately needed. The premiership & it's greed disgusts me. I wonder how much a 0.1% levy on the salaries of Premier League players would raise? You could probably feed the world on it, its ridiculous. The amount of money in the premiership is grotesque and has reached such proportions that it would be a joke were it not for the fairly grim consequences.
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Post by moobs on Feb 3, 2011 15:42:59 GMT
The amount they owed was to the Inland revenue i.e. you and me.
Why should they get away with paying their taxes but other clubs have to pay their's?
They want to reform and play at the same ground under another name, no doubt, having shirked on their previous tax obligations.
If they were dumped in the shit by a rogue owner I might have a bit of sympathy. In this case, I don't....
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Post by hairy on Feb 3, 2011 16:59:42 GMT
Actually agree with moobs on this one, for to long clubs avoided paying taxes until the recent get tough campaign by the Inland revenue. Maybe it will take a few clubs going to the wall to make themrealise that you have to spend within your means and you also have to pay the tax man what you owe him, not just go into administration and pay back 10p in the pound.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 3, 2011 17:28:49 GMT
Actually agree with moobs on this one, for to long clubs avoided paying taxes until the recent get tough campaign by the Inland revenue. Maybe it will take a few clubs going to the wall to make themrealise that you have to spend within your means and you also have to pay the tax man what you owe him, not just go into administration and pay back 10p in the pound. The reason why a lot of clubs get into trouble with the revenue though is because of the premiership driven inflation in the costs of football which, unlike the prem's millions, has trickled down right through the pyramid. Clubs which are genuinely on the fiddle I have no sympathy for as, harsh as it is on their fans, they are effectively cheating to achieve success.
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Post by Robin Shater on Feb 4, 2011 11:26:22 GMT
Actually agree with moobs on this one, for to long clubs avoided paying taxes until the recent get tough campaign by the Inland revenue. Maybe it will take a few clubs going to the wall to make themrealise that you have to spend within your means and you also have to pay the tax man what you owe him, not just go into administration and pay back 10p in the pound. Now, I expect this sort of thing from Moobs & as always I'll treat him with the contempt he deserves, after all he's part of the problem. Arm chair supporter, watching the greedy premiership on TV, but won't put his hand in his pocket to watch lower league football. But for you to suggest that clubs should spend within their means, surely that should be aimed at the Premiership much more than non league teams. The abysmal winter weather, unexpected loss of a sponsor, injury/loss of a star player, can al be enough to drop income below projected levels. Windsor & Eton won promotion last season so not unreasonably may have expected an increase in income. Whatever the reason, if the locals had supported the club instead of sitting at home/in the pub watching live premiership games on sky, Windsor & Eton would be playing tomorrow.
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Post by sihath on Feb 4, 2011 12:26:49 GMT
There's a kind of comparison with the supermarkets and the high street retailer.
Premier League = Tesco, Asda etc. Massive marketing budgets, easy parking etc.
Lower league clubs = high street butcher, fishmonger, baker etc. Good quality, but not everyone knows about them or uses them.
If we use the supermarkets and don't use the high street trader we can't complain when they go out of business.
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Post by moobs on Feb 4, 2011 12:32:46 GMT
Actually agree with moobs on this one, for to long clubs avoided paying taxes until the recent get tough campaign by the Inland revenue. Maybe it will take a few clubs going to the wall to make themrealise that you have to spend within your means and you also have to pay the tax man what you owe him, not just go into administration and pay back 10p in the pound. Now, I expect this sort of thing from Moobs & as always I'll treat him with the contempt he deserves, after all he's part of the problem. Arm chair supporter, watching the greedy premiership on TV, but won't put his hand in his pocket to watch lower league football. But for you to suggest that clubs should spend within their means, surely that should be aimed at the Premiership much more than non league teams. The abysmal winter weather, unexpected loss of a sponsor, injury/loss of a star player, can al be enough to drop income below projected levels. Windsor & Eton won promotion last season so not unreasonably may have expected an increase in income. Whatever the reason, if the locals had supported the club instead of sitting at home/in the pub watching live premiership games on sky, Windsor & Eton would be playing tomorrow. That's a cop out, it's always someone else's fault..... Football clubs, like any other business have to adapt to changes in their market place, nothing's a given. I bet you shop in Tesco / Asda / Sainsburys, the premiership of shops, while local shops have lost business and gone to the wall. Do you have a conscious about that? Should the big supermarkets give money to small local traders to keep them afloat?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2011 12:53:50 GMT
There's a kind of comparison with the supermarkets and the high street retailer. Premier League = Tesco, Asda etc. Massive marketing budgets, easy parking etc. Lower league clubs = high street butcher, fishmonger, baker etc. Good quality, but not everyone knows about them or uses them. If we use the supermarkets and don't use the high street trader we can't complain when they go out of business. Quite a good analogy Despite initial convenience, ultimately the Premier league will cost the game its heart and soul, just as the big superstores will cost our cities their heart and soul.
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Post by Robin Shater on Feb 4, 2011 14:02:25 GMT
Now, I expect this sort of thing from Moobs & as always I'll treat him with the contempt he deserves, after all he's part of the problem. Arm chair supporter, watching the greedy premiership on TV, but won't put his hand in his pocket to watch lower league football. But for you to suggest that clubs should spend within their means, surely that should be aimed at the Premiership much more than non league teams. The abysmal winter weather, unexpected loss of a sponsor, injury/loss of a star player, can al be enough to drop income below projected levels. Windsor & Eton won promotion last season so not unreasonably may have expected an increase in income. Whatever the reason, if the locals had supported the club instead of sitting at home/in the pub watching live premiership games on sky, Windsor & Eton would be playing tomorrow. That's a cop out, it's always someone else's fault..... Football clubs, like any other business have to adapt to changes in their market place, nothing's a given. I bet you shop in Tesco / Asda / Sainsburys, the premiership of shops, while local shops have lost business and gone to the wall. Do you have a conscious about that? Should the big supermarkets give money to small local traders to keep them afloat? Yes, I shop at Tescos & Asda, but also use my local baker, (Gibbons), a small, husband & wife business, always used my local butcher (Stewarts) until poor health forced him to close. I much prefer to pay for quality & personal service.I strongly support farmers markets & do my best to keep Britains independant cider makers in business. Most importantly, I DO go & watch my local football team. With more fans like me the club will prosper, but with more fans(?) like you the club would join Windsor & Eton. So until you start paying to watch your local team, may I suggest that you shut the f*ck up?
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Post by junior1 on Feb 4, 2011 14:07:53 GMT
Bravo ^^^^^
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Post by moobs on Feb 4, 2011 14:54:56 GMT
Robin, i've taken your advice and I bought a ticket for Crystal Palace this weekend.
Actually that was a joke and I am going to Gillingham tomorrow. Doubt you or Junior will be there but I don't like to judge people....
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 4, 2011 15:11:23 GMT
Robin, i've taken your advice and I bought a ticket for Crystal Palace this weekend. Actually that was a joke and I am going to Gillingham tomorrow. Doubt you or Junior will be there but I don't like to judge people.... C'mon moobs, don't make us all laugh!
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Post by hairy on Feb 4, 2011 15:21:44 GMT
Actually agree with moobs on this one, for to long clubs avoided paying taxes until the recent get tough campaign by the Inland revenue. Maybe it will take a few clubs going to the wall to make themrealise that you have to spend within your means and you also have to pay the tax man what you owe him, not just go into administration and pay back 10p in the pound. Now, I expect this sort of thing from Moobs & as always I'll treat him with the contempt he deserves, after all he's part of the problem. Arm chair supporter, watching the greedy premiership on TV, but won't put his hand in his pocket to watch lower league football. But for you to suggest that clubs should spend within their means, surely that should be aimed at the Premiership much more than non league teams. The abysmal winter weather, unexpected loss of a sponsor, injury/loss of a star player, can al be enough to drop income below projected levels. Windsor & Eton won promotion last season so not unreasonably may have expected an increase in income. Whatever the reason, if the locals had supported the club instead of sitting at home/in the pub watching live premiership games on sky, Windsor & Eton would be playing tomorrow. Why should only premier league teams spend within their means? That applys to all football clubs. Playing at the level they were would a promotion really lead to a flood of new fans? Did they run up their tax bill during the recent cold spell? Of course not they most likely ran it up in getting promotion so basically cheated to go up a league by not bothering paying tax. To have a view of premier leage clubs bad, all other clubs good is simplistic and romanticised take on the situation. Some clubs throughout football are well run and dont run up debts they can never pay while others cheat and do the opposite. Its the lower division and non league clubs that pay players wages that they cant afford that drives up wages in the football league and has an effect on Oxford, more so than the premier league.
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Post by junior1 on Feb 4, 2011 15:43:11 GMT
Robin, i've taken your advice and I bought a ticket for Crystal Palace this weekend. Actually that was a joke and I am going to Gillingham tomorrow. Doubt you or Junior will be there but I don't like to judge people.... Your right, I won't be due to working tonight, tomorrow nights so need a thing called sleep.. However, I will be at the Rotherham game , I'll be in the priory prematch. I'll be in my season ticket seat if you want to come say hello??
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Post by moobs on Feb 4, 2011 15:50:41 GMT
The way I look at it, I have to pay more tax on my pint in the pub while watching Arsenal v Man Utd because other people / companies / football clubs evade their taxes. Yet I'M the one to blame !! I work hard all week, pay my bills and taxes so why should I get stick from people like Robin trying to take the moral high ground with me over a football club who evade tax? As far as i'm concerned they are stealing money from me.
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Post by hairy on Feb 4, 2011 16:08:08 GMT
Its a mystery to me why some people consider tax avoidance by football clubs morally ambigous yet by big companies wrong, its wrong for both of them. Maybe we should shut a couple of hospitals down and let football be tax free?
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Post by Robin Shater on Feb 4, 2011 17:54:11 GMT
Now, I expect this sort of thing from Moobs & as always I'll treat him with the contempt he deserves, after all he's part of the problem. Arm chair supporter, watching the greedy premiership on TV, but won't put his hand in his pocket to watch lower league football. But for you to suggest that clubs should spend within their means, surely that should be aimed at the Premiership much more than non league teams. The abysmal winter weather, unexpected loss of a sponsor, injury/loss of a star player, can al be enough to drop income below projected levels. Windsor & Eton won promotion last season so not unreasonably may have expected an increase in income. Whatever the reason, if the locals had supported the club instead of sitting at home/in the pub watching live premiership games on sky, Windsor & Eton would be playing tomorrow. Why should only premier league teams spend within their means? That applys to all football clubs. Playing at the level they were would a promotion really lead to a flood of new fans? Did they run up their tax bill during the recent cold spell? Of course not they most likely ran it up in getting promotion so basically cheated to go up a league by not bothering paying tax. To have a view of premier leage clubs bad, all other clubs good is simplistic and romanticised take on the situation. Some clubs throughout football are well run and dont run up debts they can never pay while others cheat and do the opposite. Its the lower division and non league clubs that pay players wages that they cant afford that drives up wages in the football league and has an effect on Oxford, more so than the premier league. So please, where did I say that only premiership clubs should spend within their means? Also, where did I say that Premiership teams are all bad & those outside the premiership are all good? Where did I mention a flood of new fans? If you are going to critcise me, at least criticise what I actually say & refrain from making things up.
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Post by moobs on Feb 4, 2011 22:41:35 GMT
Why should only premier league teams spend within their means? That applys to all football clubs. Playing at the level they were would a promotion really lead to a flood of new fans? Did they run up their tax bill during the recent cold spell? Of course not they most likely ran it up in getting promotion so basically cheated to go up a league by not bothering paying tax. To have a view of premier leage clubs bad, all other clubs good is simplistic and romanticised take on the situation. Some clubs throughout football are well run and dont run up debts they can never pay while others cheat and do the opposite. Its the lower division and non league clubs that pay players wages that they cant afford that drives up wages in the football league and has an effect on Oxford, more so than the premier league. So please, where did I say that only premiership clubs should spend within their means? Also, where did I say that Premiership teams are all bad & those outside the premiership are all good? Where did I mention a flood of new fans? If you are going to critcise me, at least criticise what I actually say & refrain from making things up. where did we criticise you?
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Post by scoob on Feb 5, 2011 12:33:55 GMT
Now, I expect this sort of thing from Moobs & as always I'll treat him with the contempt he deserves, after all he's part of the problem. Arm chair supporter, watching the greedy premiership on TV, but won't put his hand in his pocket to watch lower league football. But for you to suggest that clubs should spend within their means, surely that should be aimed at the Premiership much more than non league teams. The abysmal winter weather, unexpected loss of a sponsor, injury/loss of a star player, can al be enough to drop income below projected levels. Windsor & Eton won promotion last season so not unreasonably may have expected an increase in income. Whatever the reason, if the locals had supported the club instead of sitting at home/in the pub watching live premiership games on sky, Windsor & Eton would be playing tomorrow. Why should only premier league teams spend within their means? That applys to all football clubs. Playing at the level they were would a promotion really lead to a flood of new fans? Did they run up their tax bill during the recent cold spell? Of course not they most likely ran it up in getting promotion so basically cheated to go up a league by not bothering paying tax. To have a view of premier leage clubs bad, all other clubs good is simplistic and romanticised take on the situation. Some clubs throughout football are well run and dont run up debts they can never pay while others cheat and do the opposite. Its the lower division and non league clubs that pay players wages that they cant afford that drives up wages in the football league and has an effect on Oxford, more so than the premier league. Spot on Hairy. If clubs received payments from a levy on Premiership club they would still spend that and more and would end up in the same situation. Its the same as personal mortgages. Lenders allowed people to borrow based on a higher percentage of their income so some (a large number) borrowed to the hilt and carried on spending what they were spending elsewhere so could not afford the new mortgages so defaulted and that is why the country is in such a mess at the moment. Sames applied to football clubs. If they spend within their means they will not end up with a winding up order. If they overspend and end up bust then they can not blame the premiership. Simples. Oxford United have been just as guilty as many other clubs over the years so we have been part of the problem. A solution is to dock point for any club that overspends for a period of time. 2 or three seasons maybe? That would make them think twice.
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