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Post by pottersrightboot on Nov 22, 2017 19:19:17 GMT
Yet another blow with the retirement of Ribeiro.
We have had horrendous luck with injuries and I’ve got some sympathy for Clotet et al. It can’t be easy.
Wish some of our supporters could be a little more patient.
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Post by holdsteady on Nov 22, 2017 19:29:20 GMT
We have signed on far to many injury prone players, that might be the reason we have the number of injuries we do.
The moneyball approach, trying to find players dropping down from a higher level due to injury, looks to have failed, it might work in Baseball but in a more physically demanding sport such as football it's been found wanting.
It's not really chance/bad luck that we have a full up treatment room, we have taken a risk on a lot of players and it's come back to bite us in the arse.
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Post by concretebob on Nov 22, 2017 20:18:41 GMT
Sadly some people are absolutely determined to take a pop at OUFC at any given opportunity. It's really quite sad, in a way.
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Post by MJB on Nov 22, 2017 20:21:20 GMT
I wish the Ultras would return to the centre back part of the East End. All I can hear around me now are the depressing old men who spend 90 minutes moaning that we don’t shoot enough and that it’s a scandal that we don’t leave one up top from corners. It’s beginning to drive me mad!
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Post by manorlounger on Nov 22, 2017 22:19:54 GMT
I wish the Ultras would return to the centre back part of the East End. All I can hear around me now are the depressing old men who spend 90 minutes moaning that we don’t shoot enough and that it’s a scandal that we don’t leave one up top from corners. It’s beginning to drive me mad! But have you thought that they may be right?
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Post by cass63 on Nov 22, 2017 22:33:38 GMT
To be fair to the old men, we don’t shoot enough and we should leave one up top at corners.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 22, 2017 22:35:31 GMT
I wish the Ultras would return to the centre back part of the East End. All I can hear around me now are the depressing old men who spend 90 minutes moaning that we don’t shoot enough and that it’s a scandal that we don’t leave one up top from corners. It’s beginning to drive me mad! Talking to yourself again?
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Post by lincolnyellow1 on Nov 23, 2017 0:36:37 GMT
I wish the Ultras would return to the centre back part of the East End. All I can hear around me now are the depressing old men who spend 90 minutes moaning that we don’t shoot enough and that it’s a scandal that we don’t leave one up top from corners. It’s beginning to drive me mad! I know quite a few of the ultras, especially since the death of Lewis, it was my first home game for 6 or 7 weeks against Blackburn on Tuesday and the the whole feeling behind the goal was as flat as the performance on the pitch, I don’t exactly know why the but the old timers have stepped aside and let the new generation form a group that seem to think they are bigger than the club itself.... I don’t want to get into nostalgia, however, the London Road used to be split into two, home fans on the left, away fans on the right, it was fcuking carnage, the London Road end then became home fans only however still had a fence in between which separated the “singers, boot boys, hard core and in some cases down right aggro boys to the “normal supporters” standing on the right.. The move to the Kassam Stadium albeit confused some supporters due to having 3 large seated stands still attracted the fans that used to be where they previously watched the games they attended when watching at “The Manor”, left side in the Oxford Mail Stand to the left of the goal, right side of the London Road sitting in the right side of the East Stand, beech roaders sitting in the East Stand upper and lower and most of the Osler Road regulars mixing it but mainly going acros the pitch to the South Stand. The atmosphere at “The Kassam” was always generated by the supporters standing / sitting on the left side towards the rear of the East Stand and has been for many many years, the new generation, that we as a club desperately needed when we fell in to “The Conference” came from “The Ultras” and not only decorated the dull doldrums of a home end, started arranging away trips and created an atmosphere of something to be part of, it gave the club, the team, the supporters and even the chairman a lift to actually think we as a club could ride the quest of the wave conquer the league we were in which over the last half a dozen years we have..... . Over the last few years there has been a swing that the atmosphere is now at its best in the top half of the RIGHT SIDE of the East Stand as the new generation needed a place to do their bit and with the majority of the Left Side area sold out to “long term season ticket holders” we have let and encouraged this to happen and more often than not joined in with the choice of songs and chants to increase the noise levels when appropriate. Now that the Ultras” have moved to the “far right side of the East Stand” has benefitted no one, 30 / 40 supporters singing is barely heard in the same Stand, it certainly won’t be heard on the pitch and supporters up and down, across and back in the East Stand will not join in due to the “Core” of the singing being so far away.... Everyone has a reason for doing what they are doing however the one thing we pride ourselves being an Oxford United supporter is the togetherness and the atmosphere we create however the evidence of what is going on and the small minded thoughts of some of supporters is killing what we have and what we have built over the last 6 or 7 years and that is a real shame especially as talking to some fans on Tuesday didn’t even want to go to the far side of the East Stand and said, “cause everyone else did, I did” which led me to write this..... . It is hard enough at the best of times to get an atmosphere going in the East Stand, I certainly don’t know why an element of our supporters would want to make it harder....... The Lincoln yellow ST- S82,83,84........
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Post by littlemore on Nov 23, 2017 7:23:32 GMT
Can hear them fine in the north stand.
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Post by mcf86 on Nov 23, 2017 9:14:46 GMT
Speaking as one of the more erm senior generation, and without wishing to criticise any of our younger fans, 'we' were more vocal back in the day imo. That may well be attributed to the design of the Grenoble road ground to a point, but I think to a larger degree there doesn't seem to be the passion, desire and just plain madness (!) that there was! Seems, everything has to be planned in advance, which might be due to H&S, ground rules etc. But I also blame social media and so called 'smart phones' - it won't happen, as some would need to have theirs surgically removed, but if mobiles were put on silence or better still off during a match it might help focus the mind!! Most London road lads n lasses of the 70's and 80's will remember going to matches at the Manor, when, even on a cold frosty night 'you' came away from the game sweating buckets and with a savage sore throat due to the physical and vocal effort put in!! And, in a way the match was irrelevant, it was all about having a craic! The nearest the Grenoble road has, imho, come to replicating 'The Manor' or London road particularly is when we've played the inbreds or Luton etc. So it can be done. Not sure that moving 'The ultras' to the outer reaches of the East stand will work, but credits due for trying different ways to improve the atmosphere. You'd have more chance of succeeding if (And God help us it's soon) the team are successful, because naturally the attendances will increase and so to would, I believe, the Ultras section. UTM! ,
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 23, 2017 9:28:50 GMT
Yet another blow with the retirement of Ribeiro. We have had horrendous luck with injuries and I’ve got some sympathy for Clotet et al. It can’t be easy. Wish some of our supporters could be a little more patient. It's just really sad news on a human level. Christian seems like a really bright, nice guy and here's hoping that those qualities help him in his future career. Sitting a couple of rows in front of him at recent games, and hearing his banter, maybe a thinking man's Robbie savage! Really, what it means for OUFC is a small matter by comparison.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Nov 23, 2017 9:35:46 GMT
Can hear them fine in the north stand. Its deffo not as good as when they were in the middle. But on Tuesday, without the Ultras there, i looked back and lots of seats were filled up, I assume by ST holders. Which would make it very hard to relocate them, like they have offered to ST holders in Block 21. The only other option would be the North Stand, so they are shouting out towards the East Stand. But then they are not seen by away fans....
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Post by manorlounger on Nov 23, 2017 9:55:45 GMT
The only solution has to be an area of "safe standing" slap bang in the middle of the East stand and large enough to accommodate the numbers interested. As a lad in the London road we took it for granted that there would be a bit of a crush and maybe the odd bruise from the barriers but, the atmosphere was tremendous. Granted, the reasons for all the H&S stuff are valid but surely we can get to some sort of compromise to bring back some of that magic?
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Post by paulbeasley on Nov 23, 2017 9:59:47 GMT
Can hear them fine in the north stand. And in the SSU.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Nov 23, 2017 10:05:28 GMT
I can’t believe there can be many more pro clubs out there with a worse injury list. 2 key defenders nobbled for the season/ their careers, quality wide man serious cartilage op, Swedish international seriously injured in first training session, Mehmeti barely seen. Plus Long seemingly permanently injured. Plus various other injuries.
I’ll leave VK out of it - he’s clearly getting the boot at Christmas.
Of course Ribeiro retiring is bad news for the club! He (was) our main right back!
Cut the management and squad some slack - these are difficult times.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 23, 2017 10:12:21 GMT
I like that ribs is being kept with the squad for this season as part of the staff, long term if it’s the route he wants to take he could be a good replacement for andy whing
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Post by Millman on Nov 23, 2017 11:33:38 GMT
The injury situation is really bad news and some of it is just down to bad luck. Some of it does come from having injury prone players or older players in the squad. Players like Rob Hall are a gamble, win and you have a player who is better than this level, loose and you have no player at all. On the whole it is definitely a risk worth taking as long as you have some form of backup plan. I'm not so sure in all positions this year we do have a backup plan. It also hasn't helped that some of our backups this year are of a standard that is a detriment to the team. Add to this we seem to be muddling through with certain players rather than giving our youth players a chance and the whole injury problem is being magnified.
The club has had bad luck and we as fans should bare this in mind when reviewing the situation, but conversely the club have seemed to rather walk into this problem and not done the finest job in mitigating it.
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Post by whingit on Nov 23, 2017 16:11:48 GMT
If individuals on here had the means to do so, would you buy the club? I'm not so sure I'd be able to put up with the high number of tosspot fans whinging and moaning at everything and anything.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 23, 2017 16:30:50 GMT
If individuals on here had the means to do so, would you buy the club? I'm not so sure I'd be able to put up with the high number of tosspot fans whinging and moaning at everything and anything. Interesting hypothesis. If I had serious money (say, £2,000 million, so I wouldn't mind losing a substantial sum) I would certainly consider buying the club and ground. I'm sure Uncle Firoz could be tempted with enough dosh, and it would be the ultimate boy's toy despite the inevitable whining from some quarters. I would then take advice on installing a top class CEO, preferably an OUFC fan, and an all-encompassing management team beneath them. I'd also commission a detailed feasibility study on where we might build a new ground. The tricky bit is who I'd take that advice from. (Oh, and getting £2,000 million to start with would also be bit tricky ....)
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Post by Millman on Nov 23, 2017 16:31:49 GMT
I wouldn't buy the club any club is just a money pit. I would buy the stadium and gift it to the club though.
Of course it would have to be renamed the Millman stadium and have a 50ft statue of a windmill in the parking lot, but small price to pay eh.
Seriously though I don't buy that fans moan about everything. The odd one or two do, but for the most part if nothing is wrong no one has much bad to say. To pretend that all is rosy in the garden of Oxford Utd is just as mad a saying we are utterly doomed. The truth as always is somewhere in between. For me there are some worrying signs that something is up but I am hopeful that currently the worst that will happen is that we will keep on having an intermittent season and finish around mid table. Of course things could change in the next few weeks who knows. What I am rather disappointed in is that the feel good factor of last season and before seems to have gone. We seem to have lost momentum and like with the player recruitment we seem to stopped doing the right things.
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Post by londonroader on Nov 23, 2017 17:11:00 GMT
If individuals on here had the means to do so, would you buy the club? I'm not so sure I'd be able to put up with the high number of tosspot fans whinging and moaning at everything and anything. Interesting hypothesis. If I had serious money (say, £2,000 million, so I wouldn't mind losing a substantial sum) I would certainly consider buying the club and ground. I'm sure Uncle Firoz could be tempted with enough dosh, and it would be the ultimate boy's toy despite the inevitable whining from some quarters. I would then take advice on installing a top class CEO, preferably an OUFC fan, and an all-encompassing management team beneath them. I'd also commission a detailed feasibility study on where we might build a new ground. The tricky bit is who I'd take that advice from. (Oh, and getting £2,000 million to start with would also be bit tricky ....) What would be your aspiration's if that unlikely event did happen Pete? There are plenty of rich people in charge of football clubs that are struggling to fulfill their ambitions.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 23, 2017 17:16:41 GMT
Interesting hypothesis. If I had serious money (say, £2,000 million, so I wouldn't mind losing a substantial sum) I would certainly consider buying the club and ground. I'm sure Uncle Firoz could be tempted with enough dosh, and it would be the ultimate boy's toy despite the inevitable whining from some quarters. I would then take advice on installing a top class CEO, preferably an OUFC fan, and an all-encompassing management team beneath them. I'd also commission a detailed feasibility study on where we might build a new ground. The tricky bit is who I'd take that advice from. (Oh, and getting £2,000 million to start with would also be bit tricky ....) What would be your aspiration's if that unlikely event did happen Pete? There are plenty of rich people in charge of football clubs that are struggling to fulfill their ambitions. Championship stalwart club with occasional visits to the Premier League. And, of course, an acceptance that aspirations are rarely achieved!
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 23, 2017 17:29:45 GMT
What would be your aspiration's if that unlikely event did happen Pete? There are plenty of rich people in charge of football clubs that are struggling to fulfill their ambitions. Championship stalwart club with occasional visits to the Premier League. And, of course, an acceptance that aspirations are rarely achieved! Who would be ur dream manager appointment , and first signing
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 23, 2017 17:34:57 GMT
Championship stalwart club with occasional visits to the Premier League. And, of course, an acceptance that aspirations are rarely achieved! Who would be ur dream manager appointment , and first signing Mate, I'd be the owner. My CEO would take care of that stuff ....
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Post by yellowbow on Nov 23, 2017 17:35:42 GMT
The bottom line is throw enough money at it and anything is possible. We might be considered a club that shouldn't aspire to much more than the championship but It doesn't take too long to change people's perceptions of the 'size' of a football club. A mate once said to me we should be looking at a club the size of a Fulham as a benchmark of what we should be achieving but after a couple of years in the premiership nobody thinks of 'little old' Bournemouth so much anymore, and it could definitely be argued that with the right infrastructure we could match Watford or Burnley's achievements. Obviously we're hamstrung with the stadium situation but that's not totally insurmountable. Aim for the stars and all that..
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Post by Mark on Nov 23, 2017 17:57:12 GMT
Several people have now looked seriously at the cost these days of being competitive in the Championship - see Charlie's comments about how much he thought Sartori would need to 'invest'.
It's no longer enough to have a personal fortune of I guess under £100 million, unless you're prepared to chuck at least £25 million in, and then potentially (my guess) another £10 million per season, even allowing for increased crowds and tv revenues.
As Eales once said, he could fund L1 all day long, but it's a huge leap in expenditure in the Championship unless you are prepared to have one of the lowest three or four budgets, which normally equates with battling relegation.
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Post by whingit on Nov 23, 2017 19:54:04 GMT
...would then take advice on installing a top class CEO, preferably an OUFC fan, and an all-encompassing management team beneath them. [/quote] How much would Charles be on as your CEO?
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Post by londonroader on Nov 23, 2017 22:13:24 GMT
The bottom line is throw enough money at it and anything is possible. We might be considered a club that shouldn't aspire to much more than the championship but It doesn't take too long to change people's perceptions of the 'size' of a football club. A mate once said to me we should be looking at a club the size of a Fulham as a benchmark of what we should be achieving but after a couple of years in the premiership nobody thinks of 'little old' Bournemouth so much anymore, and it could definitely be argued that with the right infrastructure we could match Watford or Burnley's achievements. Obviously we're hamstrung with the stadium situation but that's not totally insurmountable. Aim for the stars and all that.. Tell Everton fans that aftervgetting done 1-5 at home tonight. They spent £142 million in the summer
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Post by yellowbow on Nov 23, 2017 23:23:37 GMT
The bottom line is throw enough money at it and anything is possible. We might be considered a club that shouldn't aspire to much more than the championship but It doesn't take too long to change people's perceptions of the 'size' of a football club. A mate once said to me we should be looking at a club the size of a Fulham as a benchmark of what we should be achieving but after a couple of years in the premiership nobody thinks of 'little old' Bournemouth so much anymore, and it could definitely be argued that with the right infrastructure we could match Watford or Burnley's achievements. Obviously we're hamstrung with the stadium situation but that's not totally insurmountable. Aim for the stars and all that.. Tell Everton fans that aftervgetting done 1-5 at home tonight. They spent £142 million in the summer Good point. Just shows how important infrastructure and recruitment is. Glad that's Pete's problem and not mine 😉
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Post by socrates on Nov 24, 2017 0:01:35 GMT
I can’t believe there can be many more pro clubs out there with a worse injury list. 2 key defenders nobbled for the season/ their careers, quality wide man serious cartilage op, Swedish international seriously injured in first training session, Mehmeti barely seen. Plus Long seemingly permanently injured. Plus various other injuries. I’ll leave VK out of it - he’s clearly getting the boot at Christmas. Of course Ribeiro retiring is bad news for the club! He (was) our main right back! Cut the management and squad some slack - these are difficult times. You pays your monies you takes your choice If you abandon a proven recruitment policy for signing a selection of aged, injury-prone and semi-retired players you get what you deserve.
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