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Post by yellowbow on Nov 14, 2017 17:25:33 GMT
As has been said above it was really unfortunate for Martin to be caught in that situation only a couple of minutes after coming on and so still cold.
We have to all get behind him now and show him encouragement and support. He's had a rough time of it himself since coming here and I think I'm right in saying his contract is up next summer, so he's got a lot to play for personally as well as for the team.
I'm really gutted that we're losing a player of Nelson class but sometimes unexpectedly good things come out of adversity. Here's hoping that this is finally Martin's opportunity to shine.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Nov 14, 2017 17:47:00 GMT
As has been said above it was really unfortunate for Martin to be caught in that situation only a couple of minutes after coming on and so still cold. We have to all get behind him now and show him encouragement and support. He's had a rough time of it himself since coming here and I think I'm right in saying his contract is up next summer, so he's got a lot to play for personally as well as for the team. I'm really gutted that we're losing a player of Nelson class but sometimes unexpectedly good things come out of adversity. Here's hoping that this is finally Martin's opportunity to shine. Yep quite right Yellowbow, out of adversity sometimes comes opportunity and success .We have strength in depth I believe, and can always make recalls or add loanees to the squad if need be... A chance for Martin and Carroll to play a big part in the rest of the season.
After all Glen Millers band wouldn't have been the success it was with the unique clarinet lead had his lead trumpeter not split his lip.
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 14, 2017 17:52:56 GMT
Ledson was massively at fault for the goal. And he knew it. Another lad that needs our support, not brickbats. Indeed, as they all do. Slating players and booing is normally always counter productive. Difficult one, this. Booing individual players is a horror show, unless they are deliberately downing tools and not bothering. Dean Morgan brought me close... But booing the team (at the end of a game), if the team as a whole is routinely being beaten for brute effort, can have the effect of waking a group up. At the moment, it is very Koolade up at the training ground. Every humiliating reverse is met with glazed eyes and a "We must fockus on the positives".... and that's not just from Pep. That's from the whole team. They all come out with this BS. the hallmark of successful operations is a coherent, cohesive, reality-based determination to face facts and improve. Kidding yourself that the reason we lost the game on Saturday was because of an arguable refereeing decision just means that on the training ground the right things won't be fockussed on. And speaking of which, I note that two of the players referred to seeing each other again on Tuesday. Did anyone else notice that? After all the recent shit-shows, some managers would have hauled them in on Sunday. Others would have said "See you first thing Monday".... but Tuesday? Really? Two and a half days and three nights of chilling out when you are on a 5 game losing streak? I know that I sound old-fashioned, but isn't the first rule of putting things right: "Work harder and harder and harder until things turn around"? It doesn't sit well with me that Northampton Town will have been back in, sweating, yesterday morning, while out lot were out walking the dog and playing computer games.
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Post by yellowbow on Nov 14, 2017 18:03:01 GMT
Not sure that the 'passive' line being spoken to the media is necessarily the same as being said behind closed doors, I'd hope it isn't anyway, but I understand your sentiment.
Was it Gary Player who once said 'the harder I train, the luckier I get' or something of the sort.
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 14, 2017 18:09:22 GMT
Not sure that the 'passive' line being spoken to the media is necessarily the same as being said behind closed doors, I'd hope it isn't anyway, but I understand your sentiment. Was it Gary Player who once said 'the harder I train, the luckier I get' or something of the sort. On being accused by an American interviewer of getting lucky, Player said: 'you know, it's a funny thing, but the harder I practice, the luckier I seem to get.'
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Post by victor1986 on Nov 14, 2017 18:18:23 GMT
Indeed, as they all do. Slating players and booing is normally always counter productive. Difficult one, this. Booing individual players is a horror show, unless they are deliberately downing tools and not bothering. Dean Morgan brought me close... But booing the team (at the end of a game), if the team as a whole is routinely being beaten for brute effort, can have the effect of waking a group up. At the moment, it is very Koolade up at the training ground. Every humiliating reverse is met with glazed eyes and a "We must fockus on the positives".... and that's not just from Pep. That's from the whole team. They all come out with this BS. the hallmark of successful operations is a coherent, cohesive, reality-based determination to face facts and improve. Kidding yourself that the reason we lost the game on Saturday was because of an arguable refereeing decision just means that on the training ground the right things won't be fockussed on. And speaking of which, I note that two of the players referred to seeing each other again on Tuesday. Did anyone else notice that? After all the recent shit-shows, some managers would have hauled them in on Sunday. Others would have said "See you first thing Monday".... but Tuesday? Really? Two and a half days and three nights of chilling out when you are on a 5 game losing streak? I know that I sound old-fashioned, but isn't the first rule of putting things right: "Work harder and harder and harder until things turn around"? It doesn't sit well with me that Northampton Town will have been back in, sweating, yesterday morning, while out lot were out walking the dog and playing computer games.Agree completely Charlie - in fact one of them, who lives a long way out, was not in until today!! Just what is going on?
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Post by ontheup01 on Nov 17, 2017 9:33:16 GMT
Indeed, as they all do. Slating players and booing is normally always counter productive. Difficult one, this. Booing individual players is a horror show, unless they are deliberately downing tools and not bothering. Dean Morgan brought me close... But booing the team (at the end of a game), if the team as a whole is routinely being beaten for brute effort, can have the effect of waking a group up. At the moment, it is very Koolade up at the training ground. Every humiliating reverse is met with glazed eyes and a "We must fockus on the positives".... and that's not just from Pep. That's from the whole team. They all come out with this BS. the hallmark of successful operations is a coherent, cohesive, reality-based determination to face facts and improve. Kidding yourself that the reason we lost the game on Saturday was because of an arguable refereeing decision just means that on the training ground the right things won't be fockussed on. And speaking of which, I note that two of the players referred to seeing each other again on Tuesday. Did anyone else notice that? After all the recent shit-shows, some managers would have hauled them in on Sunday. Others would have said "See you first thing Monday".... but Tuesday? Really? Two and a half days and three nights of chilling out when you are on a 5 game losing streak? I know that I sound old-fashioned, but isn't the first rule of putting things right: "Work harder and harder and harder until things turn around"? It doesn't sit well with me that Northampton Town will have been back in, sweating, yesterday morning, while out lot were out walking the dog and playing computer games. Assume resting for two days after a match (when possible) is all about recovery. Muscles tend to feel at their most fatigued 2 days after a match. The approach taken at the club has simply moved from a Sunday and Wednesday rest day, to Sun / mon. With a full run into the Saturday fixture. Obviously Results have been been poor lately. Inability in our midfield to keep ball, get past your man and defend is our greatest issue. IMO. Really don't think we have the mix of players to dominant that key part of the match. On top of that our previously solid defence of Richardo, Williamson, Nelson and Ribeiro is all but dismantled. Much work to do. hope we put in a performance tomorrow UP THE YELLOWS
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 17, 2017 10:17:54 GMT
Indeed, as they all do. Slating players and booing is normally always counter productive. Difficult one, this. Booing individual players is a horror show, unless they are deliberately downing tools and not bothering. Dean Morgan brought me close... But booing the team (at the end of a game), if the team as a whole is routinely being beaten for brute effort, can have the effect of waking a group up. At the moment, it is very Koolade up at the training ground. Every humiliating reverse is met with glazed eyes and a "We must fockus on the positives".... and that's not just from Pep. That's from the whole team. They all come out with this BS. the hallmark of successful operations is a coherent, cohesive, reality-based determination to face facts and improve. Kidding yourself that the reason we lost the game on Saturday was because of an arguable refereeing decision just means that on the training ground the right things won't be fockussed on. And speaking of which, I note that two of the players referred to seeing each other again on Tuesday. Did anyone else notice that? After all the recent shit-shows, some managers would have hauled them in on Sunday. Others would have said "See you first thing Monday".... but Tuesday? Really? Two and a half days and three nights of chilling out when you are on a 5 game losing streak? I know that I sound old-fashioned, but isn't the first rule of putting things right: "Work harder and harder and harder until things turn around"? It doesn't sit well with me that Northampton Town will have been back in, sweating, yesterday morning, while out lot were out walking the dog and playing computer games. To be fair the traditional training routine is Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday with Wednesday off. Pep has changed it to Monday off and training from Tuesday to Friday. It gives players more time with family and four days together before a Saturday game. As for hauling players in on a Sunday morning for a dressing down. That sort of stuff makes a player turn on a manager and is unproductive.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Nov 17, 2017 10:53:52 GMT
Difficult one, this. Booing individual players is a horror show, unless they are deliberately downing tools and not bothering. Dean Morgan brought me close... But booing the team (at the end of a game), if the team as a whole is routinely being beaten for brute effort, can have the effect of waking a group up. At the moment, it is very Koolade up at the training ground. Every humiliating reverse is met with glazed eyes and a "We must fockus on the positives".... and that's not just from Pep. That's from the whole team. They all come out with this BS. the hallmark of successful operations is a coherent, cohesive, reality-based determination to face facts and improve. Kidding yourself that the reason we lost the game on Saturday was because of an arguable refereeing decision just means that on the training ground the right things won't be fockussed on. And speaking of which, I note that two of the players referred to seeing each other again on Tuesday. Did anyone else notice that? After all the recent shit-shows, some managers would have hauled them in on Sunday. Others would have said "See you first thing Monday".... but Tuesday? Really? Two and a half days and three nights of chilling out when you are on a 5 game losing streak? I know that I sound old-fashioned, but isn't the first rule of putting things right: "Work harder and harder and harder until things turn around"? It doesn't sit well with me that Northampton Town will have been back in, sweating, yesterday morning, while out lot were out walking the dog and playing computer games. To be fair the traditional training routine is Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday with Wednesday off. Pep has changed it to Monday off and training from Tuesday to Friday. It gives players more time with family and four days together before a Saturday game. As for hauling players in on a Sunday morning for a dressing down. That sort of stuff makes a player turn on a manager and is unproductive. Monday always used to be a wind down day with light gym work , enabling assessment of the Saturdays knocks and strains.. the Physios are usually at their busiest then. Some Managers still advocate 5 days training and Sunday respite. Warnock never used to let his players go home neither did Di-Canio when managing Swindon..
We do seem to get more than our fair share of injuries, and I don't mean serious injuries like Nelson and Hall they can happen any time and that's just bad luck...but the silly non impact injuries & little niggles like ankle, calf, hams , groin etc. ....
I've noticed in many of the games I've been to this season many of the players appear to be flagging final 20 and we certainly were not any fitter than Cheltenham or Port Vale which you would expect us to be wouldn't you. ??
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 17, 2017 11:24:45 GMT
To be fair the traditional training routine is Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday with Wednesday off. Pep has changed it to Monday off and training from Tuesday to Friday. It gives players more time with family and four days together before a Saturday game. As for hauling players in on a Sunday morning for a dressing down. That sort of stuff makes a player turn on a manager and is unproductive. Monday always used to be a wind down day with light gym work , enabling assessment of the Saturdays knocks and strains.. the Physios are usually at their busiest then. Some Managers still advocate 5 days training and Sunday respite. Warnock never used to let his players go home neither did Di-Canio when managing Swindon..
We do seem to get more than our fair share of injuries, and I don't mean serious injuries like Nelson and Hall they can happen any time and that's just bad luck...but the silly non impact injuries & little niggles like ankle, calf, hams , groin etc. ....
I've noticed in many of the games I've been to this season many of the players appear to be flagging final 20 and we certainly were not any fitter than Cheltenham or Port Vale which you would expect us to be wouldn't you. ??
To be honest I can't really agree that Cheltenham or port vale were fitter, we just played crap. I was describing the standard routine, injured players or ones that need massages still come in on the off days. We have had a few injuries this year but i don't think what days we train on makes a difference. You mentioned Di Canio and Warnock, you can add Westley and Evans to that list. They all got sucess in the lower leagues and when they tried that higher up the league structure it didn't work.
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Post by yellowbow on Nov 18, 2017 9:09:49 GMT
Napoli have entered the race to sign Espanyol's 20-year-old defender Aaron Martin, who is a target for Manchester City and Manchester United. (Sport - in Spanish)
I had to read this twice! 😊
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 18, 2017 9:40:21 GMT
Monday always used to be a wind down day with light gym work , enabling assessment of the Saturdays knocks and strains.. the Physios are usually at their busiest then. Some Managers still advocate 5 days training and Sunday respite. Warnock never used to let his players go home neither did Di-Canio when managing Swindon..
We do seem to get more than our fair share of injuries, and I don't mean serious injuries like Nelson and Hall they can happen any time and that's just bad luck...but the silly non impact injuries & little niggles like ankle, calf, hams , groin etc. ....
I've noticed in many of the games I've been to this season many of the players appear to be flagging final 20 and we certainly were not any fitter than Cheltenham or Port Vale which you would expect us to be wouldn't you. ??
To be honest I can't really agree that Cheltenham or port vale were fitter, we just played crap. I was describing the standard routine, injured players or ones that need massages still come in on the off days. We have had a few injuries this year but i don't think what days we train on makes a difference. You mentioned Di Canio and Warnock, you can add Westley and Evans to that list. They all got sucess in the lower leagues and when they tried that higher up the league structure it didn't work. Last season was the fittest that I have ever seen any OUFC squad. We got very few injuries, despite a 63 game season, and routinely out-ran other sides. I took a bunch of Newcastle fans to our Cup game against them and they were super impressed with how lean all our players looked in the bar after the game. This year we have a much older squad, but I'd say we look less fit and certainly haven't been out-running teams. The whole 'spend loads of time with your family' is a bonkers theory. Footballers get home every day at 2 pm, unlike the rest of us!! And then get two clear months holiday every summer. During the season the focus has to be 100 per cent on the job at hand. We have players in the squad who are sitting on the bench or in the stand on Saturday afternoon and then taking 2 or 3 days off to recover? And that's a good idea? Really? Perhaps I'm just old-fashioned, but by the time they eventually pull their boots on again, the previous game is ancient history..... but sometimes you need that bit of edge and anger to drive the extra 10 per cent of effort in preparation that leads to success in execution.
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 18, 2017 9:57:25 GMT
To be honest I can't really agree that Cheltenham or port vale were fitter, we just played crap. I was describing the standard routine, injured players or ones that need massages still come in on the off days. We have had a few injuries this year but i don't think what days we train on makes a difference. You mentioned Di Canio and Warnock, you can add Westley and Evans to that list. They all got sucess in the lower leagues and when they tried that higher up the league structure it didn't work. Last season was the fittest that I have ever seen any OUFC squad. We got very few injuries, despite a 63 game season, and routinely out-ran other sides. I took a bunch of Newcastle fans to our Cup game against them and they were super impressed with how lean all our players looked in the bar after the game. This year we have a much older squad, but I'd say we look less fit and certainly haven't been out-running teams. The whole 'spend loads of time with your family' is a bonkers theory. Footballers get home every day at 2 pm, unlike the rest of us!! And then get two clear months holiday every summer. During the season the focus has to be 100 per cent on the job at hand. We have players in the squad who are sitting on the bench or in the stand on Saturday afternoon and then taking 2 or 3 days off to recover? And that's a good idea? Really? Perhaps I'm just old-fashioned, but by the time they eventually pull their boots on again, the previous game is ancient history..... but sometimes you need that bit of edge and anger to drive the extra 10 per cent of effort in preparation that leads to success in execution. I agree with some of that and not other bits. No doubt we had a fit squad and they done well to play 60 games for two seasons running but were lacklustre after March as they had been overused. We definitely haven't been out running teams this season and it's not only the age of the team but they style Pep is putting on the team that. The family time thing is not quite bonkers. Some players don't live local and commute. Players who don't feature on a Saturday do running drills after the game which are harder then the average joes gym workout. They are entitled to time off and not spend every day training. One of the first thing Kelvin Thomas did when he come in at Northampton was make Wilder take off Monday's so he could spend more time at home in Sheffield. Supporting your staff to perform better is far more productive these days then the iron fist approach.
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Post by londonroader on Nov 18, 2017 18:59:36 GMT
Indeed, as they all do. Slating players and booing is normally always counter productive. Difficult one, this. Booing individual players is a horror show, unless they are deliberately downing tools and not bothering. Dean Morgan brought me close... But booing the team (at the end of a game), if the team as a whole is routinely being beaten for brute effort, can have the effect of waking a group up. At the moment, it is very Koolade up at the training ground. Every humiliating reverse is met with glazed eyes and a "We must fockus on the positives".... and that's not just from Pep. That's from the whole team. They all come out with this BS. the hallmark of successful operations is a coherent, cohesive, reality-based determination to face facts and improve. Kidding yourself that the reason we lost the game on Saturday was because of an arguable refereeing decision just means that on the training ground the right things won't be fockussed on. And speaking of which, I note that two of the players referred to seeing each other again on Tuesday. Did anyone else notice that? After all the recent shit-shows, some managers would have hauled them in on Sunday. Others would have said "See you first thing Monday".... but Tuesday? Really? Two and a half days and three nights of chilling out when you are on a 5 game losing streak? I know that I sound old-fashioned, but isn't the first rule of putting things right: "Work harder and harder and harder until things turn around"? It doesn't sit well with me that Northampton Town will have been back in, sweating, yesterday morning, while out lot were out walking the dog and playing computer games. I think you get more out of people with respect not fear..
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