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Post by gingerox on Oct 30, 2017 15:30:12 GMT
Been thinking about what would happen if our best team from this year played last season's and who would come out on top. I'd argue that on paper we look better defensively this year but probably weaker in midfield and attack, so I'd probably go for a 2-1 win for last season's team:
Last Season: Eastwood, Skarz, Dunkley, Nelson, Edwards, Lunny, Ledson, Marv, Maguire, Hall, McAleny (Mapp)
This Season: Eastwood, Ricardinho, Mous, Nelson, Ribs, Ruffels, Ledson, Hall, Payne, Henry, Thomas (Pep)
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Post by dabigfella on Oct 30, 2017 15:49:09 GMT
This year's defence more prone to basic errors than last. Midfield lacks the pace of last year. Last year had wingers, this year rarely. Forwards maybe the same but difficult to say which.
Last year better in my opinion.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Oct 30, 2017 16:56:27 GMT
This year's defence more prone to basic errors than last. Midfield lacks the pace of last year. Last year had wingers, this year rarely. Forwards maybe the same but difficult to say which. Last year better in my opinion. Did you ever watch Dunkley play? He was the definition of making a basic error and he was consistent with it. Eastwood (NA) Skarz (Ricardinho is better) Nelson (NA) Dunkley (both Mous and Williamson are better) Edwards (I would say the jury is still out on Ribs, he is better going forward than edwards but positionally isn't as good so I'd go Edwards) Lunny (I would say Ruffels offers more to the team than Lunny and we are better with Ruffs in that position) Ledson (NA but this season's Ledson is even better!) Johnson (As an individual you would have Marv but Henry is the better team player) Maguire (Payne is better) Hall (NA) McAleny (He is better than Thomas and Obika. I would have Pep over MApp. I think this team's would edge it over last season. I thought I would do a little comparison with this year and last season at the same stage; Last season after 16 games: Won 5, Drew 4, Lost 7 18 goals scored, 20 conceded. 12 goals from forwards, 4 from Midfield, 1 from defence and 1 own goal. This season: Won 6, drawn 5, lost 5 26 goals scored, 20 conceded. 14 goals from forwards, 9 from midfield, 3 from defence.
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Post by oslernorth on Oct 30, 2017 19:38:05 GMT
Last season I don't think we'd of seen that lack of fight against Blackpool, Walsall and Bury on consecutive games. But on the whole I think we're moving forward
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Post by dabigfella on Oct 31, 2017 12:16:43 GMT
This year's defence more prone to basic errors than last. Midfield lacks the pace of last year. Last year had wingers, this year rarely. Forwards maybe the same but difficult to say which. Last year better in my opinion. Did you ever watch Dunkley play? He was the definition of making a basic error and he was consistent with it. Eastwood (NA) Skarz (Ricardinho is better) Nelson (NA) Dunkley (both Mous and Williamson are better) Edwards (I would say the jury is still out on Ribs, he is better going forward than edwards but positionally isn't as good so I'd go Edwards) Lunny (I would say Ruffels offers more to the team than Lunny and we are better with Ruffs in that position) Ledson (NA but this season's Ledson is even better!) Johnson (As an individual you would have Marv but Henry is the better team player) Maguire (Payne is better) Hall (NA) McAleny (He is better than Thomas and Obika. I would have Pep over MApp. I think this team's would edge it over last season. I thought I would do a little comparison with this year and last season at the same stage; Last season after 16 games: Won 5, Drew 4, Lost 7 18 goals scored, 20 conceded. 12 goals from forwards, 4 from Midfield, 1 from defence and 1 own goal. This season: Won 6, drawn 5, lost 5 26 goals scored, 20 conceded. 14 goals from forwards, 9 from midfield, 3 from defence. So why is he a consistent player for a side at the top of the league if he's that bad?
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Post by bigcrompy on Oct 31, 2017 12:26:02 GMT
Did you ever watch Dunkley play? He was the definition of making a basic error and he was consistent with it. So why is he a consistent player for a side at the top of the league if he's that bad? You could accuse Chey Dunkley of a lot of things, but I don’t think “consistency” would be one of them! “Proficient” perhaps, but reading Wiggin fans on various forums, Dunkley has made mistakes, given goals away (scored some!), been sent off...much like at Oxford he’s lauded, but not necessarily trusted! Meanwhile in other news... ...if the above match was played...when would Chris Maguire get sent off, and for what...?!
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 31, 2017 12:51:34 GMT
Last Season: Eastwood, Skarz, Dunkley, Nelson, Edwards, Lunny, Ledson, Marv, Maguire, Hall, McAleny (Mapp)
This Season: Eastwood, Ricardinho, Mous, Nelson, Ribs, Ruffels, Ledson, Hall, Payne, Henry, Thomas (Pep)
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Well I would say:
Skarz is a much more solid defender than Ricardinho, although not as good going forward Although very different players, Mousinho and Dunkley aren't that far apart (controversial?). Dunkley always looked like he was about to make a horrible rickett of things but (when played on his correct side) didn't make that many. Mous on the the other hand looks more solid, but also makes mistakes! On the right of defence we have much the same situation as on the left - Ribeiro is much better going forward than Edwards but not as secure at the back. Lundstram at his best was our quarterback, moving the ball forwards quickly. We miss him. Ruffels - although I rate him highly - is a very different type of player. Henry is improving, but doesn't have the pace that Marvin does and that contributes to our inability to get behind teams. Payne and Maguire. Hmm. Payne works very hard, but it is frustrating how often he tries to do so much that he ends up losing the ball pretty tamely. Mind you Maguire used to irritate me the way he'd just drift out of games, as if he was a bit uninterested. So I 'd guess pretty even there - although I think Payne has the capacity and desire to improve over the season. With Maguire you wouldn't get that. Up front, Thomas has certainly improved. He is working harder and looks fitter. However, he isn't really a lone striker. It is hard to compare him with McAleny really. Difficult to say how McAleny might have pushed on if he'd stayed with us (Fleetwood was a very strange move for him IMO). Obika - I think it's fair to say the jury is still out.
So I think we are weaker defensively out wide, but probably stronger going forward there. Central defense is about the same strength. Midfield is missing speed in distribution. We have less pace and less width up front. We have lost some youth and replaced it with 'experience' - possibly gone too far that way IMO.
If the current team at it's best played last years team at it's best, I think it would be a terrific game, but last year's team would shade it. Probably by scoring a couple in the last 20 minutes by getting in down the sides when the current 'oldies' were getting knackered!
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Post by oxfordboy on Oct 31, 2017 12:53:38 GMT
Did you ever watch Dunkley play? He was the definition of making a basic error and he was consistent with it. Eastwood (NA) Skarz (Ricardinho is better) Nelson (NA) Dunkley (both Mous and Williamson are better) Edwards (I would say the jury is still out on Ribs, he is better going forward than edwards but positionally isn't as good so I'd go Edwards) Lunny (I would say Ruffels offers more to the team than Lunny and we are better with Ruffs in that position) Ledson (NA but this season's Ledson is even better!) Johnson (As an individual you would have Marv but Henry is the better team player) Maguire (Payne is better) Hall (NA) McAleny (He is better than Thomas and Obika. I would have Pep over MApp. I think this team's would edge it over last season. I thought I would do a little comparison with this year and last season at the same stage; Last season after 16 games: Won 5, Drew 4, Lost 7 18 goals scored, 20 conceded. 12 goals from forwards, 4 from Midfield, 1 from defence and 1 own goal. This season: Won 6, drawn 5, lost 5 26 goals scored, 20 conceded. 14 goals from forwards, 9 from midfield, 3 from defence. So why is he a consistent player for a side at the top of the league if he's that bad? Different team, different system, how many players do well elsewhere and are shit here? Or the other way around? Just because he's playing for a top team doesn't automatically make him a good player, and it certainly doesn't change his dodgy performances for us. It probably helps him being surrounded by top players at this level on the best team in the league
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Post by pooshooter on Oct 31, 2017 16:39:57 GMT
0-0 draw with both sides reduced to 10 men!
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Post by lambchop on Oct 31, 2017 20:34:47 GMT
Depends if it was home or away
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Post by ttg17 on Nov 1, 2017 10:41:12 GMT
would probably take maguire over payne, much as i love him, for his set piece delivery
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Post by makv on Nov 2, 2017 1:18:58 GMT
would probably take maguire over payne, much as i love him, for his set piece delivery And he wasn’t on loan
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Post by Young Money on Nov 2, 2017 7:17:20 GMT
would probably take maguire over payne, much as i love him, for his set piece delivery And he wasn’t on loan Did him not being on loan do us any good??
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 2, 2017 7:47:18 GMT
would probably take maguire over payne, much as i love him, for his set piece delivery I would say Payne has already created more assists than maguire did from set piece delivery. And contributes far more to the side when not taking them. Payne all day long for me
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Post by benox on Nov 2, 2017 19:27:09 GMT
I think last years team had more ability, particularly when comparing some of the quality we lost and what came in Johnson, Lundstrum, Maguire, Macaleny all top players. But I'd say Pep has got more out of the players than MApp did last year. I can't think of a player who was here last year that isn't performing better for Pep than they did last season.
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Post by gilgy on Nov 2, 2017 20:51:41 GMT
slightly different note, Pick a combined matchday squad from Appleton's 3 seasons and this squad:
Eastwood Baldock, Nelson, Wright, Ricardinho Hall, Ledson, Sercombe, O'Dowda Roofe, Maguire
Bench: Clarke, Skarz, Dunkley, Lundstram, Johnson, Payne, Hylton
Manager: Difficult to say - I imagine Pep would get a lot out of Roofe, just as APpleton did.
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Post by plonker on Nov 3, 2017 18:44:46 GMT
2017/18 winning 2-1... then up steps Maguire to score a free-kick in the 89th minute to equalise. Game finishes 2-2.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 3, 2017 23:35:29 GMT
Not much room for doubt now, surely?
Friday FA Cup losers day.
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Post by socrates on Nov 6, 2017 15:17:39 GMT
Last season, easy peesy This current lot have no steele. You have no idea whether they are going to turn up and put a shift in. That was never in doubt last term. It is very reminiscent of Pep's first season in charge
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Post by Boogaloo on Nov 6, 2017 15:32:38 GMT
0-0 draw with both sides reduced to 10 men! Would be interesting if it went to penalties, and got to the 11th round and Eastwood versus Eastwood.
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