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Post by maidenheadox on Oct 26, 2017 14:32:01 GMT
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Post by Left Wing Cross on Oct 26, 2017 15:03:43 GMT
"Wilder remains a popular figure at both Oxford United and Northampton Town"
Hmm...
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Post by pooshooter on Oct 26, 2017 15:18:02 GMT
He got us out of the hell hole that was the Conference, And I am thankful for that!
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Post by Millman on Oct 26, 2017 16:04:29 GMT
It still puzzles me why he was less than hugely successful with us like he was elsewhere. He never built a team even in the year we got promoted looked totally convincing (that year saw us slump out of the automatics). The playing style of his teams was often dull to watch and terrifying in the way they sat deep (and lest not talk about set pieces). His signings were a real mixed bag with many terrible failures. Was there something very wrong behind the scenes while he was with us? We know the scouting was awful, and the youth system slowly recovering after being shot to pieces by Kassam, but was that it? Or was it that he never truly won a large proportion of the fanbase over?
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Post by Yellow River on Oct 26, 2017 16:32:06 GMT
It still puzzles me why he was less than hugely successful with us like he was elsewhere. He never built a team even in the year we got promoted looked totally convincing (that year saw us slump out of the automatics). The playing style of his teams was often dull to watch and terrifying in the way they sat deep (and lest not talk about set pieces). His signings were a real mixed bag with many terrible failures. Was there something very wrong behind the scenes while he was with us? We know the scouting was awful, and the youth system slowly recovering after being shot to pieces by Kassam, but was that it? Or was it that he never truly won a large proportion of the fanbase over? Alan Knill his assistant at Northampton and Sheffield. Mickey Lewis at Oxford. Not the be all and end all, but an important factor in my view.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 26, 2017 17:56:50 GMT
Hugely popular, hmmm... I would say it's less than subtle that he absolutely loathes us, and while most of us do appreciate him getting us out of the conference his general attitude and the way he stormed out soured things for many. He even completely skips over us when talking about his various jobs - goes straight from Halifax to Northampton - so it seems that he's more than happy to reduce us to a mere footnote. Which is fine with me, but to say he's popular here is just sloppy journalism. He's respected by many but hated by more than a few.
As others have said, I think Knill and Wilder simply work superbly as a team. To say AK is the mastermind isn't fair, though. Knill never exactly set the world alight as a manager, hence why he's ended up back as an assistant in the last few years. They're just a good old fashioned managerial duo who compliment each other as a team.
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Post by MJB on Oct 26, 2017 19:54:32 GMT
Hugely popular, hmmm... I would say it's less than subtle that he absolutely loathes us, and while most of us do appreciate him getting us out of the conference his general attitude and the way he stormed out soured things for many. He even completely skips over us when talking about his various jobs - goes straight from Halifax to Northampton - so it seems that he's more than happy to reduce us to a mere footnote. Which is fine with me, but to say he's popular here is just sloppy journalism. He's respected by many but hated by more than a few. As others have said, I think Knill and Wilder simply work superbly as a team. To say AK is the mastermind isn't fair, though. Knill never exactly set the world alight as a manager, hence why he's ended up back as an assistant in the last few years. They're just a good old fashioned managerial duo who compliment each other as a team. How liked was he by the staff Ryan?
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Oct 26, 2017 19:55:54 GMT
The stick that Wilder got/gets from some on this forum baffles me. Agree that eventually he ran out of puff with us. And he may not be the nicest bloke around. But... overall he did a superb job for us . He inherited a total shambles from Patto. And very nearly got us up in his first season. The football may be a bit dull. But his organisation of a team is outstanding.
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Post by battman on Oct 26, 2017 21:06:18 GMT
I agree that he was great in the couple of seasons he was managing us in the conference - but after that it was a little bit dry. League finishes of 12th, 9th and 9th before jumping ship with half a year left on his contract. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of loan signings that arrived at the club (like bringing in Danny Philliskirk and Lewis Guy twice each) - maybe it's no coincidence he's seemed to improve after the tightening of short-term loans?
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Post by greatunclekip on Oct 27, 2017 9:52:01 GMT
Hes a fantastic manager. A great man manager but one who doesnt take any shit..
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Post by Colin B on Oct 27, 2017 11:01:24 GMT
Hugely popular, hmmm... I would say it's less than subtle that he absolutely loathes us, and while most of us do appreciate him getting us out of the conference his general attitude and the way he stormed out soured things for many. He even completely skips over us when talking about his various jobs - goes straight from Halifax to Northampton - so it seems that he's more than happy to reduce us to a mere footnote. Which is fine with me, but to say he's popular here is just sloppy journalism. He's respected by many but hated by more than a few. As others have said, I think Knill and Wilder simply work superbly as a team. To say AK is the mastermind isn't fair, though. Knill never exactly set the world alight as a manager, hence why he's ended up back as an assistant in the last few years. They're just a good old fashioned managerial duo who compliment each other as a team. Agree with this. He was a reasonable manager for us, not great. Good for one and a half seasons, then reasonable for about another half a season, then he lost the plot. As a bloke he was/is up himself and not a nice man. He is not called Chippy for no reason. I hope he fails miserably and learns a bit of humility in the future.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 27, 2017 11:30:18 GMT
He's respected by many but hated by more than a few. Loathed and detested would be closer; he's got the pride in spades, I hope the fall is long and hard.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Oct 27, 2017 11:38:56 GMT
Come off it - he’s respected by most OUFC supporters and loathed and detested by a handful. His record with the club was pretty good.
Don’t know many OUFC supporters who love the guy though. Very prickly character - like a lot of Yorkies.
‘Ey oop tha’s guilty of a hate crime Potter’ 😉
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 27, 2017 12:00:37 GMT
Come off it - he’s respected by most OUFC supporters and loathed and detested by a handful. "We few, we happy few, we band of brothers, For he today who hates the git with me shall be my brother, Be he ne'er so vile, this day shall gentle his condition, and gentlemen in England now abed shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks, that loathed with us ..." Leave the hate crimes to me, if you like.
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Post by lambchop on Oct 27, 2017 15:26:17 GMT
Oxford fan should forget their history...... that’s enough for me to concider him a ****. I don’t care how he did with Halifax, Northampton and Sheffield. I never heard him once say they should forget their history.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 27, 2017 15:47:54 GMT
Oxford fan should forget their history...... that’s enough for me to concider him a ****. I don’t care how he did with Halifax, Northampton and Sheffield. I never heard him once say they should forget their history. He also left in a pathetic manner, showing no thanks to the fans. No matter what his issues with il were. And has made nothing but sarcastic and bitter comments and digs about us since. He won the league but was still more interested in having a pop at us on his open top bus parade, after Appleton went fishing and caught the whole club. Still of the same opinion, cheers for the promotion out of the shit hole. Cheers for a fantastic day at Wembley. The rest somewhere between meh - f*ck off u chippy t*at. Would rather watch us playing the style we are now and draw, than a 1-0 win under wilder in the last few seasons
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Post by lambchop on Oct 27, 2017 16:00:38 GMT
Oxford fan should forget their history...... that’s enough for me to concider him a ****. I don’t care how he did with Halifax, Northampton and Sheffield. I never heard him once say they should forget their history. He also left in a pathetic manner, showing no thanks to the fans. No matter what his issues with il were. And has made nothing but sarcastic and bitter comments and digs about us since. He won the league but was still more interested in having a pop at us on his open top bus parade, after Appleton went fishing and caught the whole club. Still of the same opinion, cheers for the promotion out of the shit hole. Cheers for a fantastic day at Wembley. The rest somewhere between meh - f*ck off u chippy t*at. Would rather watch us playing the style we are now and draw, than a 1-0 win under wilder in the last few seasons This ^^
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Post by unification on Oct 27, 2017 16:03:14 GMT
As with most things in life, those who feel most passionate crow the loudest. A case in point from the news today is the Catalan UDI – you only hear from those who are adamant for it. Those who are indifferent or campaign for a united Spain seem incredibly quiet. Because there are fewer of them? More likely they’re just not as passionate.
I spotted the usual suspects of the anti-CW fan club on here and understand their position. He left in a cloud, his football started out reasonable but descended into something worse than Atkins (I described it at the time as a team that managed to play better when they didn’t actually have the ball. Away games were soaking up pressure, hit them on the break, 1-0, 2-0, job done) and we felt he wasted the promotion ‘bounce’ that came with coming back up. But win games he did, establish us back in the PL he did and on occasion we did resemble a chance for going up.
I can’t say he’s my favourite manager of all time. I met him once and he struck me as a weird bloke if anything – quite cold, with a fixed glare and an ability to ask questions of you that wouldn’t expect. However, neither do I view him as the antichrist as some do on here. He’s a chapter in our history (whether you remember it or not, Christopher!) and one we’ve moved on from. His success elsewhere still remains a puzzle but could well be answered by the aforementioned Alan Knill as his assistant.
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Post by grenobleroad on Oct 27, 2017 16:06:31 GMT
Hes a fantastic manager. A great man manager but one who doesnt take any shit.. ***Oxford v York Thread*** Feb 23, 2013 at 4:58pm via the ProBoards App Quote Post by greatunclekip on Feb 23, 2013 at 4:58pm Wilder out. Absolutely nothing offered. Read more: yellowsforum.co.uk/user/652/recent?page=34#ixzz4wj1WA5HB
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Post by concretebob on Oct 27, 2017 18:42:29 GMT
Hes a fantastic manager. A great man manager but one who doesnt take any shit.. ***Oxford v York Thread*** Feb 23, 2013 at 4:58pm via the ProBoards App Quote Post by greatunclekip on Feb 23, 2013 at 4:58pm Wilder out. Absolutely nothing offered. Read more: yellowsforum.co.uk/user/652/recent?page=34#ixzz4wj1WA5HBOh deary me.
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Post by Toeby on Oct 27, 2017 18:50:50 GMT
Billy Sharp scores after 2 minutes in the derby against Leeds. Not sure who got the assist - probably Alan Knill.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 27, 2017 18:53:17 GMT
Billy Sharp scores after 2 minutes in the derby against Leeds. Not sure who got the assist - probably Alan Knill. He will get bored with him by January and replace him with Danny Philliskirk on loan
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 27, 2017 19:02:33 GMT
Not sure who got the assist - probably Alan Knill. 'Duffy' apparently. Rob, I presume...
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Post by socrates on Oct 27, 2017 19:46:02 GMT
Wilder only 'got over' the way his Oufc career ended when he got Sheff Utd up. Until then it really bugged him that he couldn't finish the job. Probably irks him now a little, but not so much. The idea that he hates the club or wants to airbrush it from his CV is nonsense.
As for his style when here, he cut his cloth accordingly. He finished where you would expect him to finish with the budget he had. We had no money for a recruitment dept that's for sure or an extensive scouting system.
Ultimately, it was best for all concerned that he moved on. He had created a bunker mentality within the group in that final season (us against them) which might have got us up. But his relationship with the board was over and he'd have gone regardless. Hence the collapse when he did go.
There is no doubt that he could have handled it better. Tempestuous is not the word. It was a shame he allowed his personal relationship with the chairman to stop him thinking about the fans. But does anyone doubt that he did not have wind of the plan to sell up? Or the decrease in ambition?
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Post by middlebartonyellow on Oct 27, 2017 20:33:51 GMT
I think his record speaks for itself and people should give him credit for that. Don’t get this hate thing with him. We were at our lowest point and on the rocky road to nowhere when he came in.
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Post by eraser on Oct 27, 2017 20:43:43 GMT
I think his record speaks for itself and people should give him credit for that. Don’t get this hate thing with him. We were at our lowest point and on the rocky road to nowhere when he came in. Agree completely. I hate Leeds so good luck to Chippy. He's a Blades man through and though and has worked his way to that job through promotions with us, Northampton and Sheffield in a short space of time. Nice to see a successful English manager if nothing else!
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Post by backonthecoupon on Oct 27, 2017 21:16:27 GMT
It still puzzles me why he was less than hugely successful with us like he was elsewhere. If in doubt, assume it was money related.
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Post by cornishox on Oct 28, 2017 1:58:40 GMT
When they won at the kassam last year and he went over to their fans kissing the badge, that's the exact moment any respect I had for him went. Only one reason he did that and it wasn't for the away fans, was to get a reaction from the home fans in my opinion. Can't stand him now which is sad considering what he did for us.
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Post by yellows1 on Oct 28, 2017 14:38:31 GMT
When they won at the kassam last year and he went over to their fans kissing the badge, that's the exact moment any respect I had for him went. Only one reason he did that and it wasn't for the away fans, was to get a reaction from the home fans in my opinion. Can't stand him now which is sad considering what he did for us. Yes but do you blame him after the *hit he had here with a minority of fans and also don’t forget the last few years Lenaghan wasn’t backing him.
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Post by londonroader on Oct 28, 2017 14:42:47 GMT
Wilder only 'got over' the way his Oufc career ended when he got Sheff Utd up. Until then it really bugged him that he couldn't finish the job. Probably irks him now a little, but not so much. The idea that he hates the club or wants to airbrush it from his CV is nonsense. As for his style when here, he cut his cloth accordingly. He finished where you would expect him to finish with the budget he had. We had no money for a recruitment dept that's for sure or an extensive scouting system. Ultimately, it was best for all concerned that he moved on. He had created a bunker mentality within the group in that final season (us against them) which might have got us up. But his relationship with the board was over and he'd have gone regardless. Hence the collapse when he did go. There is no doubt that he could have handled it better. Tempestuous is not the word. It was a shame he allowed his personal relationship with the chairman to stop him thinking about the fans. But does anyone doubt that he did not have wind of the plan to sell up? Or the decrease in ambition? How do you apply he was only as good as his budget with us with what he did at Northampton ? I didn’t like him or his football, but give him credit for what he’s achieved now in the game.
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