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Post by gofish2 on Oct 15, 2017 19:11:32 GMT
Frankly, I'm not interested but, GP's will soon be required to ask this question of all over 16 year old patients. The apparent logic is that in so doing all people will be treated within the terms of 'equality'. I really don't understand the need for this exercise, and it seems like a thinly concealed data gathering exercise which, by it's nature, has nothing to do with equality. I'm baffled, can anyone enlighten me?
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 15, 2017 19:17:19 GMT
Can u answer with this ?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 15, 2017 19:53:41 GMT
Frankly, I'm not interested but, GP's will soon be required to ask this question of all over 16 year old patients. The apparent logic is that in so doing all people will be treated within the terms of 'equality'. I really don't understand the need for this exercise, and it seems like a thinly concealed data gathering exercise which, by it's nature, has nothing to do with equality. I'm baffled, can anyone enlighten me? It's a data-gathering exercise to enable the avoidance of equality and defeat terrorists; like giving the government the freedom to read all your emails.
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Post by Boogaloo on Oct 15, 2017 20:09:04 GMT
The only sort of logical use for it is predicting population growth as gay couples physically cannot have children, and lesbian couples are unlikely to have children (although some do opt for artificial insemination). But then again, a quick look at the birth registry stats will also give you the information that you need.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 15, 2017 20:24:17 GMT
They can do that by selecting all searches on google that contain the word 'baby' and filtering out the ones that involve uncle-niece communications.
BTW, I know this is hard to take for you but lesbian couples 'physically cannot have children' either and are also 'gay'. However, as a social service programme (sponsored by Capita) and with the blessing of Ian Duncan Smith I am organising a programme in which, with Lord Alan Sugar as host, thick men will compete over a series of test (exc IQ, obvs) to 'father' a Cambridge child; vote on the SMS for your favourite contestant and deflowerment anthem. This is, of course, how it was done when weepy Prince Harry was produced from the womb of an unthinking virgin and an uncaring turkey-baster. How better it was with Hewitt on the scene, in the action etc.
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Post by eraser on Oct 15, 2017 20:29:26 GMT
Will there be an incestuous option on Wiltshire GP's forms?
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Post by gofish2 on Oct 15, 2017 20:31:39 GMT
Can u answer with this ? I told her to keep quiet!!!
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 15, 2017 20:35:00 GMT
Can u answer with this ? I told her to keep quiet!!! She wanted to try speaking out π
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Post by saddletramp on Oct 16, 2017 8:04:32 GMT
A mate recently applied for a job with Network rail. One of the questions on the application form was, "How would you describe your sexual orientation ?" Another one was, "Have you undergone, are you undergoing or do you intend to undergo gender re-assignment?"
I'm sure all totally relevant to working on a railway track.
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Post by yellowlab on Oct 16, 2017 8:50:27 GMT
It's strange how language evolves.
The question now is "Are you straight, gay or bi"?
Straight used to be the opposite to bent, which is now non-PC and an incorrect term for gay people. When I was growing up my parents taught me that gay meant happy and go-lucky.
Oh well.
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Post by HeyMcAleny on Oct 16, 2017 10:19:02 GMT
You're right, it has nothing to do with equality per se.
It's about adding this kind of data to what's already being recorded so that it can be used for all sorts of analysis and planning and providing services.
For example, it's thought that the LGBT community might suffer more from mental health concerns, and this kind of data would help quantify that.
But there may be other health trends related to sexuality that we simply don't know about.
If you don't like answering the question, you don't have to.
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Post by pooshooter on Oct 16, 2017 11:10:51 GMT
I swing both ways...
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Post by grenobleroad on Oct 16, 2017 11:33:36 GMT
It's strange how language evolves. The question now is "Are you straight, gay or bi"? Straight used to be the opposite to bent, which is now non-PC and an incorrect term for gay people. When I was growing up my parents taught me that gay meant happy and go-lucky. Oh well. It's actually not just the three. Through my work my knowledge of the subject needs to increase. I am trying my best to learn all of the different types of sexual orientations. I had always assumed it was just the three but there are lots more.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Oct 16, 2017 12:01:46 GMT
You're right, it has nothing to do with equality per se. It's about adding this kind of data to what's already being recorded so that it can be used for all sorts of analysis and planning and providing services. For example, it's thought that the LGBT community might suffer more from mental health concerns, and this kind of data would help quantify that. But there may be other health trends related to sexuality that we simply don't know about. If you don't like answering the question, you don't have to. What's interesting is that Universities only seem to publish studies which support the theory that transgender people are not mentally ill. 40% of American transgendered people attempt suicide in their life. In the UK the rate of transgendered people under 26 attempting suicide is 48%. Hopefully if more data can be gathered then these people can be given some sort of treatment.
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Post by backonthecoupon on Oct 16, 2017 12:08:36 GMT
When I was 22 a locum GP asked me if i was comfortable in my sexuality.
I'd gone in for a bad back.
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Post by gofish2 on Oct 16, 2017 12:18:10 GMT
I don't mind answering but I do object to being asked. I can't imagine any other reason for gathering such information than dubious data analysis. What is the medical relationship between sexual orientation and health, physical and mental? As far as service provision being created to meet the needs of particular groups, thats hopeful at best. In mental health for example (children and adults), the numbers of those in need far outstrip services. Waiting lists for clinical assessment grow daily with little chance of being seen any time soon unless you are suitably red flagged. The same is true throughout the NHS so the provision of additional services argument really doesn't stack up im afraid. Still baffled.....
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 16, 2017 12:29:54 GMT
What happens with those who are gender fluid? Will it not skew the stats depending on where their own mindset is on that day? If people won't answer the question, it will mess with their stats anyway.
And is not insensitive to ask the question of religious people who may not ideologically align with the question they are asking? Seems a well meaning idea not implemented that well.
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Post by gofish2 on Oct 16, 2017 12:34:49 GMT
You're right, it has nothing to do with equality per se. It's about adding this kind of data to what's already being recorded so that it can be used for all sorts of analysis and planning and providing services. For example, it's thought that the LGBT community might suffer more from mental health concerns, and this kind of data would help quantify that. But there may be other health trends related to sexuality that we simply don't know about. If you don't like answering the question, you don't have to. What's interesting is that Universities only seem to publish studies which support the theory that transgender people are not mentally ill. 40% of American transgendered people attempt suicide in their life. In the UK the rate of transgendered people under 26 attempting suicide is 48%.Hopefully if more data can be gathered then these people can be given some sort of treatment. Sorry, not having that. The 'study' was conducted by a transgender related charity, was not based upon sound research and did not exclude other mental health disorders. The sample was of only 2000 people up to the age of 26 (youngest aged 12)and makes indecipherable non clinical claims. It was a news item and nothing more. The reason why 'Universities only seem to publish studies which support the theory that transgender people are not mentally ill.' is because being transgender is not a mental illness. Certainly anyone who is transgender can also develop a mental illness, it may also be the case that their gender identity creates unusual stress, but this is secondary.
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Post by gofish2 on Oct 16, 2017 12:37:44 GMT
When I was 22 a locum GP asked me if i was comfortable in my sexuality. I'd gone in for a bad back. ...although you're not telling us how you injured your back
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Post by yellowlab on Oct 16, 2017 12:45:45 GMT
It's strange how language evolves. The question now is "Are you straight, gay or bi"? Straight used to be the opposite to bent, which is now non-PC and an incorrect term for gay people. When I was growing up my parents taught me that gay meant happy and go-lucky. Oh well. It's actually not just the three. Through my work my knowledge of the subject needs to increase. I am trying my best to learn all of the different types of sexual orientations. I had always assumed it was just the three but there are lots more. Yes, you are right, my mistake. Itβs a complicated life!
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