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Post by onlyme on Oct 15, 2017 23:23:19 GMT
Eastwood 6 - not a good save to make Ribeiro 5 - defensively pretty sound, hideous on the ball Nelson 8 - absolute rock Mousinho 8 - apart from early over the top balls everything defended well Ricardinho 7 - same old Henry 7.5 - best overall player on the pitch, worked hard, defended well, attacked with tempo Ledson 7 - battled hard, one Ledson tackle near us. Ruffels 7 - same old Rothwell 6.5 - put a good shift in, didn’t all work out for him, technically gets the assist for Mowett? Payne 7.5 - class, caused problems all day. The moment he came off we looked dead/out of ideas. Then Henry comes along to start a counter attack Thomas 7 - worked hard nearly scored twice, looks dangerous. These quite hard to rate. Best thing about yesterday was that’s the first real win this season I’ve been to where it’s been a battle & a grind. All the shit teams this season fall apart after 1 goal. If we can keep this up I’m filled with optimism. Pedant alert: Henry was the best player on the pitch but not as good as Nelson? All a load of bollox. we won. Give em all 9 or 10.
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Post by uptheus on Oct 16, 2017 6:39:20 GMT
Yep Really ...best footballer on the pitch imho... Well, I suppose if you think that then that's fine. How many of his crosses failed to beat the first man when in good places to delivery? Suppose that's good for a winger. He had an okay game, but never a 10. I'd say Nelson & Mousinho had better games than him, and possibly Ledson, and I'd rate them at 7.5/8's.
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Post by highlights on Oct 16, 2017 9:11:14 GMT
Blimey. People really get angry about numbers. Especially the players! Some of the biggest blow ups between media and players I have ever seen was based on their out of 10 ratings in the paper. There was a player at one of my former clubs who had to be physically restrained to prevent him "Shoving that paper and your report where it belongs" - he was given 6/10 - myself and the management thought that was a generous rating as well!
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 16, 2017 9:43:19 GMT
There was a member of our Wembley Conference play-off winning side who was furious at only being given 6/10 in the Oxford Mail to the point where they were saying they didn't want to speak to them again. Anything less than 7/10 tends to lead to people getting the right hump.
I noticed in one of the Sunday papers that we were given very poor ratings while Rovers received noticeably better ones. Ruffels and Ledson both getting 5 and Nelson getting 6 were particular highlights. A disgruntled Rovers fan reporting on the match that day is my guess.
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Post by ciaranjonlucas on Oct 16, 2017 10:49:32 GMT
Ribeiro was in the football league paper team of the day. Makes you wonder if they actually watch the games.
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Post by holdsteady on Oct 16, 2017 12:15:34 GMT
Can one journalist really give both sets of 11 players an accurate rating? I can follow our players and the better/worst players in the opposing team but 5/6 are pretty anonymous, always take these with a pinch of salt.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Oct 16, 2017 12:35:52 GMT
Can one journalist really give both sets of 11 players an accurate rating? I can follow our players and the better/worst players in the opposing team but 5/6 are pretty anonymous, always take these with a pinch of salt. Probably not in fact ...that's a very good point.. plus its all very subjective, like art ...I think Sunflowers is a particularly crap series of paintings, but then one sold for 39 million in 1987.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Oct 16, 2017 12:40:38 GMT
I think we need to strengthen in the right back position personally...in January if possible. I have watched Ribiero for a bit and I think injuries have taken their toll on him physically. For me he doesn't get close enough to his man to stop crosses, lacks the energy to be a serious outlet the same as baldock and Kenny were, and I'm not sure about his distribution either. I'm hopeful about Canice...he seems a bit of a player and might play in 15/20 games, but I just feel if we had an impact like we do at left back in Ricardhinho then we would be much better for it. Tiendalli could be immense yet but will we ever find out? Fair comment.. but I think that’s the biggest problem with respect, Ribs isn’t a Baldock or a Kenny and is a completely different player and shouldn’t be compared with them. Obviously has fitness issues at the moment and struggles for consistency. Appears to be one bad game, followed by one good game, followed by one very good game, followed by absence. I think his style of play, (as he was no doubt coached at Bristol in the Championship) is significantly different to the chicken with no head style of the lower divisions. Appleton signed him because he said he was quick and physical and effective going forward, but he does seem to have lost some momentum in that last respect. He did have a poor start on Saturday but rovers pressed hard first 30 mins and seemed to have spare men shutting down on Ribs and Ric and giving them zero time on the ball, Ribs also got increasing stick from the partisan Rovers fans. In those situations all you can do is hoof it, but we know that’s not either player’s style. I thought Ribs weathered the storm and generally defended stoutly for the rest of the game as did the other three at the back, to the extent that the threat of their opposite wingers and both Nicholls and Sercombe were completely neutralised as the game wore on. I do agree with you in respect of Carroll however, he has never done anything other than acquit himself with credit and will have the chance to stake his claim no doubt soon enough. It’s up to Ribs to improve his consistency, win over the doubters and maintain his place and in that respect he's no different to any of the other players. I'm pretty sure Pep would soon bullet him to the bench if he thought he wasn’t doing the job required of him, but don’t forget we have won three on the bounce and looked very well balanced across the back with Ribs behind Henry ( Another useless player three games ago ! ) and Mousinho out of that Right back position. I am reminded of the saying by the late great Brian Clough… “If you are playing bad and winning you don’t have a problem…if you are playing well and losing you do have a problem.” All said and done Ribs is like Marmite.
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Post by maidenheadox on Oct 16, 2017 16:29:59 GMT
I think we need to strengthen in the right back position personally...in January if possible. I have watched Ribiero for a bit and I think injuries have taken their toll on him physically. For me he doesn't get close enough to his man to stop crosses, lacks the energy to be a serious outlet the same as baldock and Kenny were, and I'm not sure about his distribution either. I'm hopeful about Canice...he seems a bit of a player and might play in 15/20 games, but I just feel if we had an impact like we do at left back in Ricardhinho then we would be much better for it. Tiendalli could be immense yet but will we ever find out? Fair comment.. but I think that’s the biggest problem with respect, Ribs isn’t a Baldock or a Kenny and is a completely different player and shouldn’t be compared with them. Obviously has fitness issues at the moment and struggles for consistency. Appears to be one bad game, followed by one good game, followed by one very good game, followed by absence. I think his style of play, (as he was no doubt coached at Bristol in the Championship) is significantly different to the chicken with no head style of the lower divisions. Appleton signed him because he said he was quick and physical and effective going forward, but he does seem to have lost some momentum in that last respect. He did have a poor start on Saturday but rovers pressed hard first 30 mins and seemed to have spare men shutting down on Ribs and Ric and giving them zero time on the ball, Ribs also got increasing stick from the partisan Rovers fans. In those situations all you can do is hoof it, but we know that’s not either player’s style. I thought Ribs weathered the storm and generally defended stoutly for the rest of the game as did the other three at the back, to the extent that the threat of their opposite wingers and both Nicholls and Sercombe were completely neutralised as the game wore on. I do agree with you in respect of Carroll however, he has never done anything other than acquit himself with credit and will have the chance to stake his claim no doubt soon enough. It’s up to Ribs to improve his consistency, win over the doubters and maintain his place and in that respect he's no different to any of the other players. I'm pretty sure Pep would soon bullet him to the bench if he thought he wasn’t doing the job required of him, but don’t forget we have won three on the bounce and looked very well balanced across the back with Ribs behind Henry ( Another useless player three games ago ! ) and Mousinho out of that Right back position. I am reminded of the saying by the late great Brian Clough… “If you are playing bad and winning you don’t have a problem…if you are playing well and losing you do have a problem.” All said and done Ribs is like Marmite. It's interesting to look at how we've done when he's played. W5 D2 L1 F15 A4 (promotion form). When he's been out we're W1 D1 L3 F7 A10 (relegation form). Not that he's necessarily the difference maker, but it's all about the right balance of the team. I think the full back positions are where we're most exposed if there's another injury.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 16, 2017 16:44:02 GMT
Fair comment.. but I think that’s the biggest problem with respect, Ribs isn’t a Baldock or a Kenny and is a completely different player and shouldn’t be compared with them. Obviously has fitness issues at the moment and struggles for consistency. Appears to be one bad game, followed by one good game, followed by one very good game, followed by absence. I think his style of play, (as he was no doubt coached at Bristol in the Championship) is significantly different to the chicken with no head style of the lower divisions. Appleton signed him because he said he was quick and physical and effective going forward, but he does seem to have lost some momentum in that last respect. He did have a poor start on Saturday but rovers pressed hard first 30 mins and seemed to have spare men shutting down on Ribs and Ric and giving them zero time on the ball, Ribs also got increasing stick from the partisan Rovers fans. In those situations all you can do is hoof it, but we know that’s not either player’s style. I thought Ribs weathered the storm and generally defended stoutly for the rest of the game as did the other three at the back, to the extent that the threat of their opposite wingers and both Nicholls and Sercombe were completely neutralised as the game wore on. I do agree with you in respect of Carroll however, he has never done anything other than acquit himself with credit and will have the chance to stake his claim no doubt soon enough. It’s up to Ribs to improve his consistency, win over the doubters and maintain his place and in that respect he's no different to any of the other players. I'm pretty sure Pep would soon bullet him to the bench if he thought he wasn’t doing the job required of him, but don’t forget we have won three on the bounce and looked very well balanced across the back with Ribs behind Henry ( Another useless player three games ago ! ) and Mousinho out of that Right back position. I am reminded of the saying by the late great Brian Clough… “If you are playing bad and winning you don’t have a problem…if you are playing well and losing you do have a problem.” All said and done Ribs is like Marmite. It's interesting to look at how we've done when he's played. W5 D2 L1 F15 A4 (promotion form). When he's been out we're W1 D1 L3 F7 A10 (relegation form). Not that he's necessarily the difference maker, but it's all about the right balance of the team. I think the full back positions are where we're most exposed if there's another injury. Out of interest , what the stats on ruffels when playing or not playing
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Post by HeyMcAleny on Oct 16, 2017 21:59:38 GMT
I agree with the comments being made about Ribs, not his best game. I guess you could maybe argue that he was the player under most scrutiny, as we were stood around his right back position in the 1st half, so any mistake was highly visible. Pep was also stood right there so he would also have seen what we were seeing. I won't be surprised if he gives CC a go tomorrow, although with one enforced change anyway he might be reluctant to do that.
Nelson and Mous were terrific, and Ledson caught my eye with his brutal work rate. Overall a fantastic team performance.
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Post by eraser on Oct 16, 2017 22:14:13 GMT
I agree with the comments being made about Ribs, not his best game. I guess you could maybe argue that he was the player under most scrutiny, as we were stood around his right back position in the 1st half, so any mistake was highly visible. Pep was also stood right there so he would also have seen what we were seeing. I won't be surprised if he gives CC a go tomorrow, although with one enforced change anyway he might be reluctant to do that. Nelson and Mous were terrific, and Ledson caught my eye with his brutal work rate. Overall a fantastic team performance. I don't think Pep will change the back four and I'd agree if that is the case. Concede 1 goal in 3 matches whilst the guys in front score 8! No brainer - not broke don't fix it...IMO
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Post by newyorkyellow on Oct 17, 2017 0:51:02 GMT
stupid ratings rothwell 6 richardinhio 6 and jack payne 6? I can only comment on what I saw during the game ...and not on peoples opinion afterwards... Payne did indeed run his socks off but sadly so often the end product is little.
6 isn't a bad rating on the basis..
1. Abject 2. Very Poor 3. Poor 4. Competent 5. Average 6. Above average 7. Good 8. Very Good 9. Excellent 10. Best Player on the Pitch.
OK so perhaps a 6/7 for Rothwell and a 7- for Ribs. but that's all ( and just my assessment of course )
Feel free to disagree.
"Sadly so often the end product is little" lol He set up four last week!!!
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Post by finlandia on Oct 17, 2017 4:54:56 GMT
Problem might be this - with JR out we have a new left hand side partnership. If Ribs is dropped, we also have a new right hand one as well. Consistency is the key - I would make one change, Mowatt or Hall for JR, JH stays on the right
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