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Post by ox4eva on Oct 9, 2017 9:03:59 GMT
Who was waving the Catalan flag on Saturday?
I am all for making people welcome at OUFC and of course we have a couple of people from that region at the club. But I have a feeling that this flag waving was more politically motivated.
Surely we should not go down the route of bringing other countries politics into the club.
Whatever people's view on that situation it should be their own business..
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Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 9, 2017 9:46:46 GMT
Why should we bring any country's politics into the club?
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Post by lambchop on Oct 9, 2017 10:24:43 GMT
Didn’t Jerome say that the guy with the flag was talking to Pep at the end of the game (while RadOx was waiting to interview him) and he said he didn’t want politics to come into the football club. I I would say it was politically motivated and not a show of support for Xemi
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Post by m on Oct 9, 2017 10:24:50 GMT
...or use posts to demonstrate the correct possessive of country.
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Post by yellowsarmy on Oct 9, 2017 11:06:11 GMT
Indeed but aren't we seeing a lot of politics in US sport now during the anthems. In a country like uk where sport/teams are often drawn along religious grounds (especially in two club towns like Glasgow) and indeed in political terms like in Italy e.g. Roma and Lazio (remember Paulos Roman salute). I don't have too much of an issue with it within reason, politics and sport are intertwined always have been and anyway it is impossible to untangle.
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 9, 2017 11:24:30 GMT
But its not something we get at U's games, rather it stayed that way. It can be divisive and it's good to see our club bring people together.
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Post by swissyellow on Oct 9, 2017 11:45:26 GMT
We've had Oxford United flags with Anti-facism messages, Pride messages, f*ck the IRA messages and even some other right wing groups so you can't say football shouldnt be politisied, thats part of the culture, be you for it or against whatever is on the flag. I get dismayed by right wing messages with OUFC tags but Football supporters come from across society and will never be as one when thinking about life away from the Stadium.
If the guy is Catalonian or has relatives or Friends or even if he wishes to support Xemi then thats his call and I've got no problem with it - And to be fair, if he chooses to wave the flag in support of Catalan independance then also thats his right.
Its also in the right of a Spanish person to fly their flag or even approach this guy to have a debate.
Personally, being mindful that a flag, can be taken wrongly no matter how unconnected, I wont wave the Swiss flag around St Georges day, Military day or around Remembrance events, Even though My grandfather was in the RAF, thats personal to me and I know that other folks wouldnt know that, so the easiest thing is to not wave it in case offence is taken.
Each to his or her own though, other than the obvious blip, Oxford United dont tend to be too controlling with whats on flags and banners - and I'm alright with it.
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 9, 2017 11:54:16 GMT
Never seen any political flags at any Oxford game that I can personally remember.
As I said we should make people welcome but in the right way.
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Post by ag on Oct 9, 2017 11:58:43 GMT
There were lots of Catalan flags on the anti independence march at the weekend- I don't think it's necessarily contentious.
Swiss Yellows Oxford:Swiss flag is a great sight and as a team with a Manager and a player (sponsored by this forum ) from Catalonia I'd love to see more. I'm looking forward to seeing a Oxford Brazil mash up flag to welcome Ricardinho.
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Post by Matt D on Oct 9, 2017 12:09:04 GMT
We've had Oxford United flags with Anti-facism messages, Pride messages, f*ck the IRA messages and even some other right wing groups so you can't say football shouldnt be politisied, thats part of the culture, be you for it or against whatever is on the flag. I get dismayed by right wing messages with OUFC tags but Football supporters come from across society and will never be as one when thinking about life away from the Stadium. If the guy is Catalonian or has relatives or Friends or even if he wishes to support Xemi then thats his call and I've got no problem with it - And to be fair, if he chooses to wave the flag in support of Catalan independance then also thats his right. Its also in the right of a Spanish person to fly their flag or even approach this guy to have a debate. Personally, being mindful that a flag, can be taken wrongly no matter how unconnected, I wont wave the Swiss flag around St Georges day, Military day or around Remembrance events, Even though My grandfather was in the RAF, thats personal to me and I know that other folks wouldnt know that, so the easiest thing is to not wave it in case offence is taken. Each to his or her own though, other than the obvious blip, Oxford United dont tend to be too controlling with whats on flags and banners - and I'm alright with it. to be fair swissyellow, your flag is a big plus...
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Post by sihath on Oct 9, 2017 12:20:51 GMT
We've had Oxford United flags with Anti-facism messages, Pride messages, f*ck the IRA messages and even some other right wing groups so you can't say football shouldnt be politisied, thats part of the culture, be you for it or against whatever is on the flag. I get dismayed by right wing messages with OUFC tags but Football supporters come from across society and will never be as one when thinking about life away from the Stadium. If the guy is Catalonian or has relatives or Friends or even if he wishes to support Xemi then thats his call and I've got no problem with it - And to be fair, if he chooses to wave the flag in support of Catalan independance then also thats his right. Its also in the right of a Spanish person to fly their flag or even approach this guy to have a debate. Personally, being mindful that a flag, can be taken wrongly no matter how unconnected, I wont wave the Swiss flag around St Georges day, Military day or around Remembrance events, Even though My grandfather was in the RAF, thats personal to me and I know that other folks wouldnt know that, so the easiest thing is to not wave it in case offence is taken. Each to his or her own though, other than the obvious blip, Oxford United dont tend to be too controlling with whats on flags and banners - and I'm alright with it. to be fair swissyellow, your flag is a big plus... Very good, this deserves plenty of likes.
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Post by Boogaloo on Oct 9, 2017 12:50:45 GMT
It's a difficult one, as it depends on the situation. I'm sure if someone waved a 1930s Nazi German flag, then they would quite rightly be condemned and hopefully ejected from the stadium.
The Catalan flag as far as I'm concerned falls into the same bracket as the Cornish flag - I have no problem it being there. Yes, they've been in the news recently with their 'independence referendum', but the only violence was at the hand of the Spanish police thugs.
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Post by Marked Ox on Oct 9, 2017 13:08:17 GMT
Indeed but aren't we seeing a lot of politics in US sport now during the anthems. In a country like uk where sport/teams are often drawn along religious grounds (especially in two club towns like Glasgow) and indeed in political terms like in Italy e.g. Roma and Lazio (remember Paulos Roman salute). I don't have too much of an issue with it within reason, politics and sport are intertwined always have been and anyway it is impossible to untangle. Mike Pence, the vice President, has just embarrassed himself with a stunt at a NFL game trying to make a point after flying all way across the country. He walked out after some players took a knee for the anthem claiming it disrespected the military, flag etc even though they were always going to that. Waste of money for the journey and his justification is BS as well considering it is bugger all to do with the military etc.
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Post by swissyellow on Oct 9, 2017 13:08:51 GMT
We've had Oxford United flags with Anti-facism messages, Pride messages, f*ck the IRA messages and even some other right wing groups so you can't say football shouldnt be politisied, thats part of the culture, be you for it or against whatever is on the flag. I get dismayed by right wing messages with OUFC tags but Football supporters come from across society and will never be as one when thinking about life away from the Stadium. If the guy is Catalonian or has relatives or Friends or even if he wishes to support Xemi then thats his call and I've got no problem with it - And to be fair, if he chooses to wave the flag in support of Catalan independance then also thats his right. Its also in the right of a Spanish person to fly their flag or even approach this guy to have a debate. Personally, being mindful that a flag, can be taken wrongly no matter how unconnected, I wont wave the Swiss flag around St Georges day, Military day or around Remembrance events, Even though My grandfather was in the RAF, thats personal to me and I know that other folks wouldnt know that, so the easiest thing is to not wave it in case offence is taken. Each to his or her own though, other than the obvious blip, Oxford United dont tend to be too controlling with whats on flags and banners - and I'm alright with it. to be fair swissyellow, your flag is a big plus... Badoooom Tish. I've never heard that before ;-)
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Post by oldham on Oct 9, 2017 14:38:41 GMT
It's a difficult one, as it depends on the situation. I'm sure if someone waved a 1930s Nazi German flag, then they would quite rightly be condemned and hopefully ejected from the stadium. The Catalan flag as far as I'm concerned falls into the same bracket as the Cornish flag - I have no problem it being there. Yes, they've been in the news recently with their 'independence referendum', but the only violence was at the hand of the Spanish police thugs. Yes but there is trouble in the air regarding the Cornish flag too. Apparently the Devonian Yellows want to wave their flag but were warned off by officials who stated that it might cause trouble between rival factions, some of whom want Pasties served at half time and some want cream teas!
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Oct 9, 2017 15:49:29 GMT
It's a difficult one, as it depends on the situation. I'm sure if someone waved a 1930s Nazi German flag, then they would quite rightly be condemned and hopefully ejected from the stadium. The Catalan flag as far as I'm concerned falls into the same bracket as the Cornish flag - I have no problem it being there. Yes, they've been in the news recently with their 'independence referendum', but the only violence was at the hand of the Spanish police thugs. Yes but there is trouble in the air regarding the Cornish flag too. Apparently the Devonian Yellows want to wave their flag but were warned off by officials who stated that it might cause trouble between rival factions, some of whom want Pasties served at half time and some want cream teas! And then you'd get the 'jam on top of the cream' or 'cream on top of the jam' factions as well. A nest of vipers, best left alone - it could split the fan base.
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Post by jumpersforgoalposts on Oct 9, 2017 16:28:51 GMT
We've had Oxford United flags with Anti-facism messages, Pride messages, f*ck the IRA messages and even some other right wing groups so you can't say football shouldnt be politisied, thats part of the culture, be you for it or against whatever is on the flag. I get dismayed by right wing messages with OUFC tags but Football supporters come from across society and will never be as one when thinking about life away from the Stadium. If the guy is Catalonian or has relatives or Friends or even if he wishes to support Xemi then thats his call and I've got no problem with it - And to be fair, if he chooses to wave the flag in support of Catalan independance then also thats his right. Its also in the right of a Spanish person to fly their flag or even approach this guy to have a debate. Personally, being mindful that a flag, can be taken wrongly no matter how unconnected, I wont wave the Swiss flag around St Georges day, Military day or around Remembrance events, Even though My grandfather was in the RAF, thats personal to me and I know that other folks wouldnt know that, so the easiest thing is to not wave it in case offence is taken. Each to his or her own though, other than the obvious blip, Oxford United dont tend to be too controlling with whats on flags and banners - and I'm alright with it. I think this is a pretty sensible assessment. Pretty much all flags are political, but some are more controversial than others. I think there are sensible people on either side of the Catalonia situation. However, some flags are an active attempt to bring about violence against certain groups of people (usually people of colour and religious/cultural minorities, LGBTQ+ etc) and those are the one's we should be worried about (i.e. Nazi shit).
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Post by diagocostapacket on Oct 9, 2017 16:37:17 GMT
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Post by oldham on Oct 9, 2017 16:41:54 GMT
At least it would be a softer form of bog roll for us to use 😁
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Post by paulbeasley on Oct 9, 2017 17:19:14 GMT
Yes but there is trouble in the air regarding the Cornish flag too. Apparently the Devonian Yellows want to wave their flag but were warned off by officials who stated that it might cause trouble between rival factions, some of whom want Pasties served at half time and some want cream teas! And then you'd get the 'jam on top of the cream' or 'cream on top of the jam' factions as well. A nest of vipers, best left alone - it could split the fan base. The Devonian cream tea wins out every time for me. Jam sits better on the clotted cream (has to be proper clotted cream - some places try and get away with that horrible stuff squirted out of a can) than cream on jam. My wife however who lived in Devon for many years goes Cornish. Yes, a nest of vipers. We agree to disagree on this.
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Post by KLYellow on Oct 9, 2017 17:36:01 GMT
I feel flags from around the world should be welcome at the Kassam as shows the extent of our support globally. I have always wanted to bring a dual Hong Kong, Singapore or Malaysia flag with..... "OUFC Supporters Club" on it
Sent from my XIAOMI NOTE PRO using telepathy
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 9, 2017 17:41:12 GMT
I feel flags from around the world should be welcome at the Kassam as shows the extent of our support globally. I have always wanted to bring a dual Hong Kong, Singapore or Malaysia flag with..... "OUFC Supporters Club" on it Sent from my XIAOMI NOTE PRO using telepathy I have no problem with flags from around the world, my point was in regards to taking flags to U's games for political reasons.
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Post by Marked Ox on Oct 9, 2017 20:18:55 GMT
At least it would be a softer form of bog roll for us to use 😁 That or an alternative form of pyro.
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Post by fourthstand on Oct 9, 2017 21:18:57 GMT
I was told by a mate at the game that the guy with the flag is not Spanish or Catalan. He's well known for getting on the latest cause. He was waving a South American country flag around a while ago - probably has a Che t-shirt in the back of his wardrobe. Looked a bit of a kn@b tbh.
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Post by makv on Oct 9, 2017 21:59:10 GMT
Yes but there is trouble in the air regarding the Cornish flag too. Apparently the Devonian Yellows want to wave their flag but were warned off by officials who stated that it might cause trouble between rival factions, some of whom want Pasties served at half time and some want cream teas! And then you'd get the 'jam on top of the cream' or 'cream on top of the jam' factions as well. A nest of vipers, best left alone - it could split the fan base. If you can call them fans at all
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Post by swissyellow on Oct 10, 2017 11:42:04 GMT
I was told by a mate at the game that the guy with the flag is not Spanish or Catalan. He's well known for getting on the latest cause. He was waving a South American country flag around a while ago - probably has a Che t-shirt in the back of his wardrobe. Looked a bit of a kn@b tbh. He needs some coaching in the flag pole waving art..
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