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Post by mcf86 on Sept 29, 2017 18:37:46 GMT
[Pep] “I think the team has made huge steps forward, maybe more than it looks like and many more than when we were winning.
“I analysed why against Walsall we were unable to put our own football (style) on the pitch.
“We didn’t create many attacks until the last half an hour, but against Bury we overcame their midfield pressure and found the striker.
“We created a lot of problems, we were just unlucky we were not able to finish the chances.
“That’s a huge step forward, but I understand when you only think about the result it looks like we’re not making steps forward.”
Baloney, or has he got a point? (yes, if so that's more than his team have in the last three matches, before anyone says so) Didn't see the Bury or Walsall games, my last match was at Blackpool - where, most won't need reminding, we were shockingly bad.
All very well and good if you analyse matches and come to the conclusion 'We were unable to put our own football (style) on the pitch' IF, you know how to remedy that. Not confident he can, not in the short term at least, can we afford to give Pep the benefit of doubt, and if so, for how long??
Did we create a 'lot of problems' against Bury, even for the last 30 mins? I wouldn't call that a 'Huge step forward' even if true. Were we 'Unlucky' or as bad as at Blackpool??
Got to be honest, Pep's sounding a little desperate, I really hope he succeeds and gets us back to winning ways, and pronto.
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Post by socrates on Sept 29, 2017 19:32:52 GMT
It's measured, for sure. That's always a better approach
It beats throwing tea cups and calling everyone a c*nt.
The truth, probably, will be somewhere between the 2 extremes - Bradford and Blackpool.
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Post by yellowbow on Sept 29, 2017 19:46:07 GMT
I really hope he turns it round and it comes good for him. I've said before that, as a man, I like him. He seems honest, upstanding and intelligent. But everything just seems a little bit muddled and desperate some how. How much of that is down to him in not sure but he reminds me a lot of Arsene Wenger at the moment with his explanations. It all seems a little bit detached from reality and bogged down with theory.
Sometimes it just needs the manager to fire some old style f@cks into the players, everyone man up and get on with it.
Who knows, maybe he does get a bit nasty behind the scenes but likes to keep it private but for all our sakes I hope he finds the right formula pronto.
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Post by yellowbow on Sept 29, 2017 19:50:57 GMT
I need to add: his explanation would make sense if he'd inherited a team in decline with a losing mentality but he didn't. It sounds to me like he's ripped everything up and started again when all that was needed was to carry on with all the good work previously put in place
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Post by chippsy on Sept 29, 2017 19:57:57 GMT
Can't make an omelette with breaking a few eggs.
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Post by daveoufc on Sept 29, 2017 22:17:44 GMT
Worried about his assessment there and disagree with it yeah I think we overcame the midfield pressure and found the striker more due to ruffles inclusion.
However we were not not good enough to convert the chances.
Where we were unlucky was to concede a soft penalty. A narrow 1-0 defeat with promising signs would of been half a step forward.
Panicking making 3 subs then falling apart to lose 3-0 cannot be considered a step forward at all sadly.
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Post by mcf86 on Oct 1, 2017 8:46:31 GMT
Yesterday just goes to show, Pep knows best!! He obviously sees things some of us lesser mortals don't, in matches and training. Such narrow margins though between getting a positive result or not, and the manager's changes and tweaks brought the rewards. Hopefully, we can all take something on board, management, players and supporters and move forward and upward from here?!
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Post by uptheus on Oct 1, 2017 8:51:37 GMT
Yesterday just goes to show, Pep knows best!! He obviously sees things some of us lesser mortals don't, in matches and training. Such narrow margins though between getting a positive result or not, and the manager's changes and tweaks brought the rewards. Hopefully, we can all take something on board, management, players and supporters and move forward and upward from here?! Glad he got it right, bit the tweaks you mentioned had been said by others 3 weeks ago.
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Post by charliesghost on Oct 1, 2017 9:14:31 GMT
Yesterday just goes to show, Pep knows best!! He obviously sees things some of us lesser mortals don't, in matches and training. Such narrow margins though between getting a positive result or not, and the manager's changes and tweaks brought the rewards. Hopefully, we can all take something on board, management, players and supporters and move forward and upward from here?! Don't think that that's quite right. More like: Pep has caught up with the bleeding obvious! Two weeks ago, several of us were calling for the precise team changes that he made yesterday: ie. Ruffels back in, Williamson out, Mousinho to centre back, give Ledson a kick up the butt, make a statement to the dressing room that you're not afraid to drop supposed key players, be more direct. These were all discussed before the WALSALL game, and again before and after the Bury game. Still, absolutely delighted that he's arrested the decline. It's a huge result and can provide a platform to take us forward and make us harder to beat than we have been in recent times.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Oct 1, 2017 9:26:41 GMT
Yesterday just goes to show, Pep knows best!! He obviously sees things some of us lesser mortals don't, in matches and training. Such narrow margins though between getting a positive result or not, and the manager's changes and tweaks brought the rewards. Hopefully, we can all take something on board, management, players and supporters and move forward and upward from here?! Don't think that that's quite right. More like: Pep has caught up with the bleeding obvious! Two weeks ago, several of us were calling for the precise team changes that he made yesterday: ie. Ruffels back in, Williamson out, Mousinho to centre back, give Ledson a kick up the butt, make a statement to the dressing room that you're not afraid to drop supposed key players, be more direct. These were all discussed before the WALSALL game, and again before and after the Bury game. Still, absolutely delighted that he's arrested the decline. It's a huge result and can provide a platform to take us forward and make us harder to beat than we have been in recent times. Precisely this. Fair play, he changed things, but it took him a while to cotton on. I can't stand this whole "SEE?! SEE?! YOU WERE ALL WRONG TO QUESTION THINGS!" mentality that seems to appear when people criticise and then something goes right. Just because something went right doesn't mean something wasn't going wrong previously. In fact, surely something going right on the back of changes being made completely justifies what people who were 'moaning' were saying previously? Otherwise there would have been no need to shuffle anything about, right? Well done to the team. Now the key is to at least fight and battle in every game between now and May.
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Post by yellowg on Oct 1, 2017 11:41:55 GMT
I think growing pains is a decent way to describe it. In the space of only a few weeks its gone from the ridicilous to the sublime...and I think we may see more of this up until xmas time.
To go to 4th from top in L1 and roll them over in 45 mins like we did yesterday tells me we have a talented group of players who are struggling for consistency, both game to game and in some cases from half to half. There in nowt wrong with our ability...its our concentration, intensity and discipline that is variable at present and i think thats because alot is being demanded of the players each day.
When we have played well we achieved a group of things as a team. We have achieved that collective pressure on the ball which has seen us get the ball back quickly without the need for a big challenge, we have found our team shape very early which makes us defensively stable, and in regards to possesion we have moved the ball very quickly with real quality.
Players like hall and payne will greatly benefit when we move the ball that split second quicker. You cant suss the likes of Payne out if we fizz it in quicky to him, uou wont keep hall quiet if your intensity keeps isolating him with his full back.
Achieving these ambitious aims minute after minute game after game is currently a work in progress....but i feel that when we do we will no longer be a L1 football club.
It may be bumpy for a few months but i can see many exciting signs in our play...which is exactly the way i felt during the first few months of Appletons tenure.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 1, 2017 12:32:00 GMT
Don't think that that's quite right. More like: Pep has caught up with the bleeding obvious! Two weeks ago, several of us were calling for the precise team changes that he made yesterday: ie. Ruffels back in, Williamson out, Mousinho to centre back, give Ledson a kick up the butt, make a statement to the dressing room that you're not afraid to drop supposed key players, be more direct. These were all discussed before the WALSALL game, and again before and after the Bury game. Still, absolutely delighted that he's arrested the decline. It's a huge result and can provide a platform to take us forward and make us harder to beat than we have been in recent times. Precisely this. Fair play, he changed things, but it took him a while to cotton on. I can't stand this whole "SEE?! SEE?! YOU WERE ALL WRONG TO QUESTION THINGS!" mentality that seems to appear when people criticise and then something goes right. Just because something went right doesn't mean something wasn't going wrong previously. In fact, surely something going right on the back of changes being made completely justifies what people who were 'moaning' were saying previously? Otherwise there would have been no need to shuffle anything about, right? Well done to the team. Now the key is to at least fight and battle in every game between now and May. To be fair, there has been some quite ridiculous posted stuff on here, social media and the radio. Stuff is definitely not perfect at the moment, but it was never as bad as some people made it out to be (and took pleasure in revelling in the losses). Some individuals were seriously talking about sacking the manager if we lost. Which is absolutely insane to think about, let alone post. So the counter reaction of I told you it was never that bad has been made. Oh for the middle ground...
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Post by charliesghost on Oct 2, 2017 16:20:25 GMT
Precisely this. Fair play, he changed things, but it took him a while to cotton on. I can't stand this whole "SEE?! SEE?! YOU WERE ALL WRONG TO QUESTION THINGS!" mentality that seems to appear when people criticise and then something goes right. Just because something went right doesn't mean something wasn't going wrong previously. In fact, surely something going right on the back of changes being made completely justifies what people who were 'moaning' were saying previously? Otherwise there would have been no need to shuffle anything about, right? Well done to the team. Now the key is to at least fight and battle in every game between now and May. To be fair, there has been some quite ridiculous posted stuff on here, social media and the radio. Stuff is definitely not perfect at the moment, but it was never as bad as some people made it out to be (and took pleasure in revelling in the losses). Some individuals were seriously talking about sacking the manager if we lost. Which is absolutely insane to think about, let alone post. So the counter reaction of I told you it was never that bad has been made. Oh for the middle ground... I don't get this "People were revelling in the defeats". I remember ryaniobirdio's anguished plea with Pep to change things after the Bury game, and there was no revelling, only pain. To be honest, I felt the same way after Walsall. Exasperated and really annoyed. Nor do I remember anything more than a tiny handful calling for him to be fired. The vast, vast majority were nowhere near that, even those who were angry/ annoyed/ upset. There was way more "quite ridiculous" stuff posted after the Bradford game about how we are world-beaters than there was after any of the defeats. You said after the Bradford game: "we've taken things to a whole new level under Pep." That's not the famed 'middle ground'. That was, and is, an extreme point of view. After 12 games, we're 13th in League 1 and have been ignominiously shunted out of the League Cup by Cheltenham. Now, there are all sorts of excuses and reasons as to why we've gone backwards since the second half of last season, but the only level we've taken things to is a level down from where we were before (top 6 form over 20 matches; big Cup success; no-one ever turning us over). Personally,I would suggest that the middle ground is that we still just don't know where this is going. I don't think that many of us would be all that surprised if we gradually got a bit more consistent, made our way up to 9th or 10th by Xmas and then could make a challenge for the final play-off spot from there. But nor do I think that many of us would be all that surprised if we lost another couple in the next few games and gently subsided into the lower mid-table, with a gap of 10 points plus to the play-off places by January. So, the middle ground is somewhere between 9th and 16th by Xmas. I think that most of us would be surprised if we managed to get up into the top 6 in the next 10 games. And I think that most of us would be surprised if we sank down towards the bottom six. Both hold these more extreme views - indeed, it looks as if you were one of them just a fortnight ago - but they're both pretty niche. I really like Pep. He seems like a very decent bloke. And that counts for something, as it did with MApp. So does his desire to play decent, attacking football. But I am slightly discomfited by his reading of the game. Asserting that we were unlucky against Blackpool and Walsall just doesn't chime right with me, having seen both games. In my view, we were thoroughly outplayed over 90 minutes in those games.
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 2, 2017 17:58:26 GMT
Charlie - it constantly amazes me why you take every single word from people associated with Oxford as gospel. Pep saying that we were 'unlucky' doesn't prove that he hasn't a clue, more that he isn't prepared to do his dirty washing in public. You rarely saw Alec Ferguson hammering his players publicly, Josè regularly claims his was the better team after a defeat and Wenger has never seen a red card incident. Are they also delusional? No, they play the media game.
From someone in PR, and haven't earned £20 a game at your peak, I would have thought this was obvious.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 2, 2017 18:07:44 GMT
So u have said all along we will be around midtable Charles 🤔. Strange I was sure u mentioned (several times) that we are “going for it” this season and with the players we have signed being for the “here and now” and spending what u believe is a “top 6 budget” that’s where we should be.
Personally u would suggest middle ground and getting a bit more consistency. Um no that’s what I said, and u argued against. What u said was that pep needed to get angry, put a rocket up them and bomb some players out. 😉
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 2, 2017 18:19:49 GMT
So u have said all along we will be around midtable Charles 🤔. Strange I was sure u mentioned (several times) that we are “going for it” this season and with the players we have signed being for the “here and now” and spending what u believe is a “top 6 budget” that’s where we should be. Personally u would suggest middle ground and getting a bit more consistency. Um no that’s what I said, and u argued against. What u said was that pep needed to get angry, put a rocket up them and bomb some players out. 😉 Did Charlie say that or did it come from Steve Perryman (lovely man)?!! I have to admit, every time I hear Charles talk of his football contacts I always think of some spotty kid tearing tickets in the cinema claiming to be in the movies!
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Post by oxford84 on Oct 2, 2017 18:39:50 GMT
This is a good topic but to say everything is ok now because we beat Peterborough has got to be wrong?I think we are still at the stage of easily being able to be well beaten again and putting in some terrible performances.There seems to be no middle ground which is strange,we either thrash teams or are thrashed by teams(not scoreline but in general play),we cant be in this situation if we want to be successful.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 2, 2017 20:38:18 GMT
To be fair, there has been some quite ridiculous posted stuff on here, social media and the radio. Stuff is definitely not perfect at the moment, but it was never as bad as some people made it out to be (and took pleasure in revelling in the losses). Some individuals were seriously talking about sacking the manager if we lost. Which is absolutely insane to think about, let alone post. So the counter reaction of I told you it was never that bad has been made. Oh for the middle ground... I don't get this "People were revelling in the defeats". I remember ryaniobirdio's anguished plea with Pep to change things after the Bury game, and there was no revelling, only pain. To be honest, I felt the same way after Walsall. Exasperated and really annoyed. Nor do I remember anything more than a tiny handful calling for him to be fired. The vast, vast majority were nowhere near that, even those who were angry/ annoyed/ upset. There was way more "quite ridiculous" stuff posted after the Bradford game about how we are world-beaters than there was after any of the defeats. You said after the Bradford game: "we've taken things to a whole new level under Pep." That's not the famed 'middle ground'. That was, and is, an extreme point of view. After 12 games, we're 13th in League 1 and have been ignominiously shunted out of the League Cup by Cheltenham. Now, there are all sorts of excuses and reasons as to why we've gone backwards since the second half of last season, but the only level we've taken things to is a level down from where we were before (top 6 form over 20 matches; big Cup success; no-one ever turning us over). Personally,I would suggest that the middle ground is that we still just don't know where this is going. I don't think that many of us would be all that surprised if we gradually got a bit more consistent, made our way up to 9th or 10th by Xmas and then could make a challenge for the final play-off spot from there. But nor do I think that many of us would be all that surprised if we lost another couple in the next few games and gently subsided into the lower mid-table, with a gap of 10 points plus to the play-off places by January. So, the middle ground is somewhere between 9th and 16th by Xmas. I think that most of us would be surprised if we managed to get up into the top 6 in the next 10 games. And I think that most of us would be surprised if we sank down towards the bottom six. Both hold these more extreme views - indeed, it looks as if you were one of them just a fortnight ago - but they're both pretty niche. I really like Pep. He seems like a very decent bloke. And that counts for something, as it did with MApp. So does his desire to play decent, attacking football. But I am slightly discomfited by his reading of the game. Asserting that we were unlucky against Blackpool and Walsall just doesn't chime right with me, having seen both games. In my view, we were thoroughly outplayed over 90 minutes in those games. Have you read some of the stuff people posted and stuff people said? The knives were out sharpish once we lost 2 in a row - it was embarrassing to read. I did also say earlier in the season that I thought we would struggle once team worked us out (and we did) but it happened later than I thought. We were always going to have games where we played well and others where we looked bad once teams got our game tape and as it turns out, packed the midfield. Until Pep can resolve the conundrum of what he can do when Jack Payne gets man marked out of a game, we may be a little streaky. So while I enjoyed the Bradford game, it was never going to be a consistent pinnacle. But yes, I did enjoy the performance a lot. Of all people, I thought you'd know why people talk about positives as a form of damage control after something bad happens. Seems not. Who knows what was said behind closed doors, but I can't think it was all wine roses with the players.
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Post by juanpabloraponi on Oct 3, 2017 14:09:32 GMT
First let me start this post by saying everyone is entitled to their opinion on all things to do with the club they support and to be fair, other clubs.
However, there are a lot more intricacies at top-level sport than most fans understand. Many variables and many things to consider. It's not as simple as just putting Ruffels back in midfield. We don't know what happens on a day to day basis or the in-depth detail of tactics we deploy or that opposition use that top coach ( and to be fair incredibly knowledgeable fans ) will spot. Yes, it's only league 1 but I'm sure there is more to it than simply formation and basic tactics that the vast majority (rightly) bang on about. That's part of the fun watching right?? So no one ever stop suggesting formations and line up but as long as it's done with the understanding that we are not top managers.
An alternative view on our teething problems...
Pep is a good coach. I come to that conclusion based on how highly the industry rates him.
Now a problem a coach like Pep could have is that he is giving the players too much information. This can lead to mental fatigue which will negatively impact your physical performance and COULD lead to players seeming uninterested.
Could Pep be overloading players with the information they are not ready for or can not process, much like the more famous Pep tends to do with his players? Combine this with a squad still getting to know each other it could be hit or miss for a little bit longer before we see consistent results
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Post by pooshooter on Oct 3, 2017 15:29:31 GMT
Can't make an omelette with breaking a few eggs. I can't make an omelette at all...
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Post by Denissmithswig on Oct 3, 2017 15:36:34 GMT
First let me start this post by saying everyone is entitled to their opinion on all things to do with the club they support and to be fair, other clubs. However, there are a lot more intricacies at top-level sport than most fans understand. Many variables and many things to consider. It's not as simple as just putting Ruffels back in midfield. We don't know what happens on a day to day basis or the in-depth detail of tactics we deploy or that opposition use that top coach ( and to be fair incredibly knowledgeable fans ) will spot. Yes, it's only league 1 but I'm sure there is more to it than simply formation and basic tactics that the vast majority (rightly) bang on about. That's part of the fun watching right?? So no one ever stop suggesting formations and line up but as long as it's done with the understanding that we are not top managers. An alternative view on our teething problems... Pep is a good coach. I come to that conclusion based on how highly the industry rates him. Now a problem a coach like Pep could have is that he is giving the players too much information. This can lead to mental fatigue which will negatively impact your physical performance and COULD lead to players seeming uninterested. Could Pep be overloading players with the information they are not ready for or can not process, much like the more famous Pep tends to do with his players? Combine this with a squad still getting to know each other it could be hit or miss for a little bit longer before we see consistent results One of the best posts I've read in a long time on here. Your point about Pep overloading them info could be a fair point as Hall said himself he was doing drills in training that he had never done before. That takes some doing when you have been in the game as long as Hall has!
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Post by scotchegg on Oct 4, 2017 18:33:50 GMT
First let me start this post by saying everyone is entitled to their opinion on all things to do with the club they support and to be fair, other clubs. However, there are a lot more intricacies at top-level sport than most fans understand. Many variables and many things to consider. It's not as simple as just putting Ruffels back in midfield. We don't know what happens on a day to day basis or the in-depth detail of tactics we deploy or that opposition use that top coach ( and to be fair incredibly knowledgeable fans ) will spot. Yes, it's only league 1 but I'm sure there is more to it than simply formation and basic tactics that the vast majority (rightly) bang on about. That's part of the fun watching right?? So no one ever stop suggesting formations and line up but as long as it's done with the understanding that we are not top managers. An alternative view on our teething problems... Pep is a good coach. I come to that conclusion based on how highly the industry rates him. Now a problem a coach like Pep could have is that he is giving the players too much information. This can lead to mental fatigue which will negatively impact your physical performance and COULD lead to players seeming uninterested. Could Pep be overloading players with the information they are not ready for or can not process, much like the more famous Pep tends to do with his players? Combine this with a squad still getting to know each other it could be hit or miss for a little bit longer before we see consistent results It's all well and good coming on here with your sensible posts but we all know that Charlie said to put Ruffels in, Pep did, and we won. End of!!!
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Post by juanpabloraponi on Oct 5, 2017 8:57:15 GMT
First let me start this post by saying everyone is entitled to their opinion on all things to do with the club they support and to be fair, other clubs. However, there are a lot more intricacies at top-level sport than most fans understand. Many variables and many things to consider. It's not as simple as just putting Ruffels back in midfield. We don't know what happens on a day to day basis or the in-depth detail of tactics we deploy or that opposition use that top coach ( and to be fair incredibly knowledgeable fans ) will spot. Yes, it's only league 1 but I'm sure there is more to it than simply formation and basic tactics that the vast majority (rightly) bang on about. That's part of the fun watching right?? So no one ever stop suggesting formations and line up but as long as it's done with the understanding that we are not top managers. An alternative view on our teething problems... Pep is a good coach. I come to that conclusion based on how highly the industry rates him. Now a problem a coach like Pep could have is that he is giving the players too much information. This can lead to mental fatigue which will negatively impact your physical performance and COULD lead to players seeming uninterested. Could Pep be overloading players with the information they are not ready for or can not process, much like the more famous Pep tends to do with his players? Combine this with a squad still getting to know each other it could be hit or miss for a little bit longer before we see consistent results It's all well and good coming on here with your sensible posts but we all know that Charlie said to put Ruffels in, Pep did, and we won. End of!!! Sorry everyone, I've let myself down, you down and worst fo all I've let the club down. EALES OUT HOT DOGS PINTS NEW STRIKER DONT TRUST HIM BLOODY FOREIGN PLAYERS WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING AAAAHHHHHH *logic back out the window*
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Post by tonto on Oct 8, 2017 23:41:44 GMT
just watched some of gills v pompey on our day we are different class to them.Im feeling quietly confident.... Very happy with Pep
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Oct 9, 2017 0:21:01 GMT
just watched some of gills v pompey on our day we are different class to them.Im feeling quietly confident.... Very happy with Pep Hope so, they are 2 poor league 1 teams
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