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Post by makv on Sept 19, 2017 22:29:11 GMT
Everything is racist nowadays or not PC soon we will all have to use a different word for black back in my day we called them blacks and nigs but now everyone so pc my good friend nick name was the N word and no one batted an eye lid we could joke about cotton ect etc Yeah. Back in the day was so great huh?
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Sept 19, 2017 22:35:17 GMT
Great tune to be fair
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Post by fishpaste on Sept 20, 2017 10:17:44 GMT
If I had a £5 for every time I've heard a racist say they have loads of black friends.
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Post by scotchegg on Sept 20, 2017 21:08:55 GMT
I cringe when these threads come up because there is always someone who embarrasses themselves without horrendously outdated views.
However my opinion, for what it's worth, is that this song was not explicitly racist but does mirror lazy stereotypes and is probably not suitable for our modern family friendly footballing world. But Kick It Out have brought this into the wider public domain and it will now likely be copied up and down the country.
Racism still exists in this country, and unfortunately often more so amongst football crowds with 'banter' or a 'lads culture' justifying inappropriate views. But I'm not sure that this was a good example of issues that still need addressing.
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Post by rickyotto on Sept 22, 2017 6:49:42 GMT
Nah im just interested to here other peoples opinions. I personally think its ridiculous to label it 'racist'. The song is not hurting anybody. Unless Lukaku himself is offended - which i very much doubt. Something doesn't have to be offensive for it to be racist. Racism just means you're making assumptions about someone's abilities or characteristics based on their race. Unless there's some visual or anecdotal evidence out there that Lukaku is the next Dion Dublin (and I don't know - there may be), then Man U fans are definitely being racist if they're just assuming Lukaku is doing alright in that department because he's black. It's certainly not the worst chant in the world, but I can see why an organisation like 'Kick it Out' which is dedicated to removing racism, in all its forms, from football is coming out against this chant. Course, they'll probably chant it twice as loudly tomorrow night because of this...... I think you've scribbled over the lines on your Venn diagram for racism and stereotypes. The above description sounds more like stereotyping than racism. We defame the word racist if we overindulge it
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Post by rickyotto on Sept 22, 2017 6:50:39 GMT
look everyone i am sorry if i came across racist some of my best friends are a little bit black. I think in our hearts, and if we close our eyes, all of us are just a little bit black
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 22, 2017 8:27:22 GMT
My own personal aura is a kind of kind chocolate mixed with sourdough starter, like an Duchy Original Organic Oatmeal Brownie.
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Post by Boogaloo on Sept 22, 2017 9:31:40 GMT
Yes, it's pretty obvious that no offence was intended, and nobody is putting this in the same category as the banana chucking and monkey noises that used to plague the game in the 70s and 80s, but that doesn't make it acceptable.
Unless one of the fans singing the chant has stood next to Romelu in the gents, and had a quick peek, then it seems pretty clear that they are estimating his endowment based on his skin colour, which is a racial stereotype. That is lazy racism, and although no offence was intended, it does still need addressed and stamped out. It shouldn't be condoned, and put down as a 'bit of banter', because then that sets things back on a slippery slope. However we need to be clear, that this is certainly not in the same league as the awful stuff that went on 'back in the day'.
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Post by unification on Sept 22, 2017 9:52:59 GMT
I cringe when these threads come up because there is always someone who embarrasses themselves without horrendously outdated views. However my opinion, for what it's worth, is that this song was not explicitly racist but does mirror lazy stereotypes and is probably not suitable for our modern family friendly footballing world. But Kick It Out have brought this into the wider public domain and it will now likely be copied up and down the country. Racism still exists in this country, and unfortunately often more so amongst football crowds with 'banter' or a 'lads culture' justifying inappropriate views. But I'm not sure that this was a good example of issues that still need addressing. This pretty much nails it. From the scale of violent white supremacism at the very top and outdated-but-harmless views of an elderly relative at the bottom of the ‘worseness’ scale of racism, the chant is at the lower end. After all, the intention is namely affection for their striker and humour. I have to admit I did chuckle the first time I heard it. They’ve done well to fit a chant to ‘Made of Stone’ as well. But that said, it is a lazy stereotype. If you condone it, the line could well be crossed into other stereotypes about black people and other minorities. Some are equally as harmless - ‘they love fried chicken’ - to the dangerous and offensive insinuations about their backgrounds that we’ve seen already on here about being cotton-picking and untrustworthy criminals. Whilst the Man Yoo chant is unlikely to lead to anything worse (it is 2017 afterall), it’s right that it’s nipped in the bud now. And for all of the ‘it was fine to say it in my day!’ lot, racism can work both ways. If a group of black fans started a chant or elicited shouts of ‘honky’ or ‘cracker’ against a white player, I would hope that Kick It Out would condemn that as well. Picking on someone’s colour, something none of us can control or have a choice in barring a shitload of cosmetics, should be challenged in all its guises.
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Post by tonyw on Sept 22, 2017 20:23:25 GMT
I think you've scribbled over the lines on your Venn diagram for racism and stereotypes. The above description sounds more like stereotyping than racism. We defame the word racist if we overindulge it Meh, I don't look at is as a Venn Diagram where a) is racism and b) is stereotyping - rather as a spectrum, where racism and stereotyping are basically interchangeable descriptions, what differs is the offensiveness of the statement in question. And this case is clearly on the least offensive end of that spectrum (or - if it's true that there is Juan Mata-inspired evidence out there that Lukaku is indeed a man of impressive natural talent - not on it at all) Doesn't mean I think the Man U chanting fans should be punished for singing it. Does mean I think it's fair enough for people to point out that there's some mild casual racism at play here. Doesn't mean that I haven't indulged in similar mild casual racism at points in my life. Does mean that I feel ever so slightly awkward for doing so.....
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Sept 22, 2017 22:26:43 GMT
Yes, it's pretty obvious that no offence was intended, and nobody is putting this in the same category as the banana chucking and monkey noises that used to plague the game in the 70s and 80s, but that doesn't make it acceptable. Unless one of the fans singing the chant has stood next to Romelu in the gents, and had a quick peek, then it seems pretty clear that they are estimating his endowment based on his skin colour, which is a racial stereotype. That is lazy racism, and although no offence was intended, it does still need addressed and stamped out. It shouldn't be condoned, and put down as a 'bit of banter', because then that sets things back on a slippery slope. However we need to be clear, that this is certainly not in the same league as the awful stuff that went on 'back in the day'. Apparently it was started after Mata made a comment which fans have picked up on
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Post by brassmonkey on Sept 23, 2017 9:41:16 GMT
Yes. Mata shared an Instagram picture of lukakus size 13 boots which is where it stemmed from. Unless it's racist now to assume people with big shoes have big todgers
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 23, 2017 9:48:23 GMT
The second verse is apparently
Lukaku’s cock is hard as f*ck He gets the women excited Stick your political correctness up your arse Cos we are Man United
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 23, 2017 11:25:37 GMT
Always knew William McGonagall was a Man U supporter, now it's proven.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 3, 2017 18:25:08 GMT
This is a guy telling a story about racism. Take a look at this video on YouTube: youtu.be/PToqVW4n86U
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Post by oldham on Oct 4, 2017 6:30:44 GMT
Being as they are Manure fans, it’d be interesting to see what Ian Brown and Mani make of the song.
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Post by lambchop on Oct 5, 2017 17:23:41 GMT
This whole thread is a joke, right?
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