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Post by brassmonkey on Sept 19, 2017 8:12:19 GMT
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Post by Pete Burrett on Sept 19, 2017 8:17:37 GMT
'Kick it out' and others are objecting on the basis that it perpetuates racial stereotypes. Whether 'perpetuating racial stereotypes' is the same as outright racism (i.e. making derogatory comments about Lukaku based on his skin colour) is, in my opinion, debatable.
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Post by brassmonkey on Sept 19, 2017 8:21:36 GMT
So its ok to sing the same song about a white player? maybe he does have a large dong
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Post by Pete Burrett on Sept 19, 2017 8:26:20 GMT
So its ok to sing the same song about a white player? maybe he does have a large dong These threads very quickly get over-emotional. To be absolutely clear, as I said above I'm not convinced the song is racist. But it is a racial stereotype that black men have large penises, and its this stereotyping that 'Kick it out' are objecting to. I've never heard anyone suggest that white men are well-endowed in the same way. Maybe Lukaku is well-endowed, but that's not the point.
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Post by brassmonkey on Sept 19, 2017 8:34:36 GMT
Nah im just interested to here other peoples opinions. I personally think its ridiculous to label it 'racist'. The song is not hurting anybody. Unless Lukaku himself is offended - which i very much doubt.
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Post by pooshooter on Sept 19, 2017 10:16:39 GMT
If you have a large penis, like me, you don't want everyone to know so chanting at a football game that a player is a big boy could make his performance suffer...
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 19, 2017 12:07:35 GMT
I almost wonder if the fuss from Kick It Out is to remind people that they still exist.
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Post by cass63 on Sept 19, 2017 15:39:35 GMT
If you've got a big cock you can kick it out.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 19, 2017 16:23:44 GMT
I find it offensive to donkeys
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Post by stokeu on Sept 19, 2017 16:26:13 GMT
Ban it due to it's poor meter and enjambment.
And the use of Belgium instead of Belgian in the version I was advised is official
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 19, 2017 16:51:18 GMT
I don't see a lot wrong with the enjambment personally; mind you it's not my cock that's in it.
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Post by tonyw on Sept 19, 2017 16:58:42 GMT
Nah im just interested to here other peoples opinions. I personally think its ridiculous to label it 'racist'. The song is not hurting anybody. Unless Lukaku himself is offended - which i very much doubt. Something doesn't have to be offensive for it to be racist. Racism just means you're making assumptions about someone's abilities or characteristics based on their race. Unless there's some visual or anecdotal evidence out there that Lukaku is the next Dion Dublin (and I don't know - there may be), then Man U fans are definitely being racist if they're just assuming Lukaku is doing alright in that department because he's black. It's certainly not the worst chant in the world, but I can see why an organisation like 'Kick it Out' which is dedicated to removing racism, in all its forms, from football is coming out against this chant. Course, they'll probably chant it twice as loudly tomorrow night because of this......
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Post by williammuir (banned) on Sept 19, 2017 17:12:29 GMT
Everything is racist nowadays or not PC soon we will all have to use a different word for black back in my day we called them blacks and nigs but now everyone so pc my good friend nick name was the N word and no one batted an eye lid we could joke about cotton ect etc
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Post by bashamwonderland on Sept 19, 2017 17:23:58 GMT
Guess you could call it 'positive racism'. Like singing about Asian players being great at maths. Not doing anyone harm.
Regardless it's a crap song and should be banned for being a crap song.
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Post by essexyellows on Sept 19, 2017 17:35:49 GMT
If the person in question isn`t offended its sure as eggs is eggs somebody will be offended on their behalf! Who is next ....Gingers? Fat folk (me!)...skinny folk (not me)...... I can remember a packed LRT eulogising George Lawrence with "Chicken George"...... also "Rambo get the Sambo".... "Zigger,zigger zigger Rambo get the nigger"...... was everyone singing it a racist? No were they bollocks!
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Post by Pete Burrett on Sept 19, 2017 17:37:58 GMT
Everything is racist nowadays or not PC soon we will all have to use a different word for black back in my day we called them blacks and nigs but now everyone so pc my good friend nick name was the N word and no one batted an eye lid we could joke about cotton ect etc
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Post by williammuir (banned) on Sept 19, 2017 17:52:24 GMT
Everything is racist nowadays or not PC soon we will all have to use a different word for black back in my day we called them blacks and nigs but now everyone so pc my good friend nick name was the N word and no one batted an eye lid we could joke about cotton ect etc sorry don't mean to course offence only telling what we use to do how the times have changed over the years I'm 59 now and I'm used to being called racist etc but I'm not racist I'm just not sure how the world is going now so once again sorry for offence
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 19, 2017 18:04:57 GMT
If the person in question isn`t offended its sure as eggs is eggs somebody will be offended on their behalf! Who is next ....Gingers? Fat folk (me!)...skinny folk (not me)...... I can remember a packed LRT eulogising George Lawrence with "Chicken George"...... also "Rambo get the Sambo".... "Zigger,zigger zigger Rambo get the nigger"...... was everyone singing it a racist? No were they bollocks! Your fatist
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Post by Pete Burrett on Sept 19, 2017 18:05:51 GMT
Not offended myself William, just confused how anyone can think that referring to black people as 'niggers' is - or ever has been - acceptable.
I'm not black, but I've got a feeling not many black people would enjoy being referred to by the 'N word'. If you had a black friend who didn't mind, he can't have had much self-respect. Maybe he was trying to fit in?
And as for your reference to 'cotton', I take it you are aware of the ultra-racism of those involved in the slave trade in the southern states of America?
To brand people as 'PC' because they have the decency to find racism appalling is rather bewildering.
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Post by williammuir (banned) on Sept 19, 2017 18:09:33 GMT
Not offended myself William, just confused how anyone can think that referring to black people as 'niggers' is - or ever has been - acceptable. I'm not black, but I've got a feeling not many black people would enjoy being referred to by the 'N word'. If you had a black friend who didn't mind, he can't have had much self-respect. Maybe he was trying to fit in? And as for your reference to 'cotton', I take it you are aware of the ultra-racism of those involved in the slave trade in the southern states of America? To brand people as 'PC' because they have the decency to find racism appalling is rather bewildering. like i said I'm sorry i know days are different now but back in my day that was just past of the parcel we use to black up at halloween as minstrel actors etc but i know times have changed so sorry for offending you.
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Post by ag on Sept 19, 2017 18:35:23 GMT
I Remember the good old days -after throwing bananas and some monkey sounds & chanting " get the n******" you could go P*** bashing or queer bashing after the game..
Of course slavery was even better. No pc nonsense then.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 19, 2017 18:38:38 GMT
There was a big discussion on this the other day, as to if it was racist, or just a kid being his hero? I don't think there's much racist about the lukaku song. The Karen bradie or posh spice songs calling them slappers is offensive to women.
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Sept 19, 2017 18:45:21 GMT
Everything is racist nowadays or not PC soon we will all have to use a different word for black back in my day we called them blacks and nigs but now everyone so pc my good friend nick name was the N word and no one batted an eye lid we could joke about cotton ect etc Wow, and I thought Dinosaurs were extinct!
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Post by williammuir (banned) on Sept 19, 2017 18:45:28 GMT
look everyone i am sorry if i came across racist some of my best friends are a little bit black.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 19, 2017 19:19:27 GMT
Don't worry mate. Prue Leith just told a black lad on bake off that 'of course, strong flavours are your forte'. That's one cunt's more racist than you come tomorrow's Grauniad.
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Post by brassmonkey on Sept 19, 2017 19:31:53 GMT
The song apparently came about due to comments made by Juan Mata about lukaku and his 'large shoes
It was interesting reading a man u forum and seeing the debate there. Some comments about the park song 'eating dogs in your home country' and the adebayor song about 'your dad washing elephants' and to whether these were racist.
Sent from my SM-G930F using proboards
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Post by saddletramp on Sept 19, 2017 20:44:05 GMT
Not offended myself William, just confused how anyone can think that referring to black people as 'niggers' is - or ever has been - acceptable. I'm not black, but I've got a feeling not many black people would enjoy being referred to by the 'N word'. If you had a black friend who didn't mind, he can't have had much self-respect. Maybe he was trying to fit in? And as for your reference to 'cotton', I take it you are aware of the ultra-racism of those involved in the slave trade in the southern states of America? To brand people as 'PC' because they have the decency to find racism appalling is rather bewildering. You can watch this video (i wouldn't bother) www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwIIn contains these charming lyrics. I said that I'mma ride for my motherfuckin' nigga Most likely I'mma die with my finger on the trigger I've been grindin outside all day with my niggas And I ain't goin' in unless I'm with my niggas… So it seems it is perfectly acceptable to use the N word,if you are Black. Funnily enough,it is unacceptable for Jewish supporters to sing about Yids. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tottenham-and-fa-receive-fresh-threat-from-society-of-black-lawyers-over-chants-8300608.htmlOr so says The Society of Black lawyers !!
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Post by williammuir (banned) on Sept 19, 2017 20:45:51 GMT
Not offended myself William, just confused how anyone can think that referring to black people as 'niggers' is - or ever has been - acceptable. I'm not black, but I've got a feeling not many black people would enjoy being referred to by the 'N word'. If you had a black friend who didn't mind, he can't have had much self-respect. Maybe he was trying to fit in? And as for your reference to 'cotton', I take it you are aware of the ultra-racism of those involved in the slave trade in the southern states of America? To brand people as 'PC' because they have the decency to find racism appalling is rather bewildering. You can watch this video (i wouldn't bother) www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwIIn contains these charming lyrics. I said that I'mma ride for my motherfuckin' nigga Most likely I'mma die with my finger on the trigger I've been grindin outside all day with my niggas And I ain't goin' in unless I'm with my niggas… So it seems it is perfectly acceptable to use the N word,if you are Black. Funnily enough,it is unacceptable for Jewish supporters to sing about Yids. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tottenham-and-fa-receive-fresh-threat-from-society-of-black-lawyers-over-chants-8300608.htmlOr so says The Society of Black lawyers !! where was this filmed rose hill?
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Post by williammuir (banned) on Sept 19, 2017 20:49:52 GMT
Not offended myself William, just confused how anyone can think that referring to black people as 'niggers' is - or ever has been - acceptable. I'm not black, but I've got a feeling not many black people would enjoy being referred to by the 'N word'. If you had a black friend who didn't mind, he can't have had much self-respect. Maybe he was trying to fit in? And as for your reference to 'cotton', I take it you are aware of the ultra-racism of those involved in the slave trade in the southern states of America? To brand people as 'PC' because they have the decency to find racism appalling is rather bewildering. You can watch this video (i wouldn't bother) www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwIIn contains these charming lyrics. I said that I'mma ride for my motherfuckin' nigga Most likely I'mma die with my finger on the trigger I've been grindin outside all day with my niggas And I ain't goin' in unless I'm with my niggas… So it seems it is perfectly acceptable to use the N word,if you are Black. Funnily enough,it is unacceptable for Jewish supporters to sing about Yids. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tottenham-and-fa-receive-fresh-threat-from-society-of-black-lawyers-over-chants-8300608.htmlOr so says The Society of Black lawyers !! also apprantly there is a difference between "niggA" and "niggER"
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Post by Pete Burrett on Sept 19, 2017 21:10:51 GMT
Not offended myself William, just confused how anyone can think that referring to black people as 'niggers' is - or ever has been - acceptable. I'm not black, but I've got a feeling not many black people would enjoy being referred to by the 'N word'. If you had a black friend who didn't mind, he can't have had much self-respect. Maybe he was trying to fit in? And as for your reference to 'cotton', I take it you are aware of the ultra-racism of those involved in the slave trade in the southern states of America? To brand people as 'PC' because they have the decency to find racism appalling is rather bewildering. You can watch this video (i wouldn't bother) www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwIIn contains these charming lyrics. I said that I'mma ride for my motherfuckin' nigga Most likely I'mma die with my finger on the trigger I've been grindin outside all day with my niggas And I ain't goin' in unless I'm with my niggas… So it seems it is perfectly acceptable to use the N word,if you are Black. Funnily enough,it is unacceptable for Jewish supporters to sing about Yids. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tottenham-and-fa-receive-fresh-threat-from-society-of-black-lawyers-over-chants-8300608.htmlOr so says The Society of Black lawyers !! You are quite right, Saddletramp. There is an apparent disconnect between black people finding the word 'nigger' offensive, and the use of 'nigga' between (some) black people. A few points though. As William says, 'nigger' is used as an offensive word by (some) white people towards black people, rather like 'Paki'. It's meant to insult, and does. 'Nigga' (note the spelling) was used from the early 1970s between black youth in American inner cities, and became commonly used in gangsta rap music. It's 'their word' and they choose to use it ironically between themselves. It's still specific to certain (younger) age groups in certain environments though. It doesn't give you or I, for example, the right to call a black person nigger (or nigga), unless you're a black youth yourself, of course.
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