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Post by mcf86 on Sept 3, 2017 18:40:53 GMT
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Post by Denissmithswig on Sept 3, 2017 18:58:37 GMT
Like every team's supporters emotion gets in the way of seeing the bigger picture. Sometimes if you step back and look at where the club is on and off the pitch it is clear to see we are in very good shape.
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 4, 2017 15:18:52 GMT
Didn't see the bit in the article where he encounters critical fans - are you dreaming that bit? Mark is a decent judge and it seems to me that he judged it an equal game between two decent league 1 sides. We bossed the first quarter and then they were in charge for the rest, but we counter-attacked well in the last ten minutes. On your substantive underlying point, I dont think that people have been anything other than supportive of Pep. It is paranoid to suggest otherwise. Most everyone knows that until we are ten games in there will be no way of knowing where it's going. The only thing I'm pushing back on is Pep' s assertion that he is 'building something'. Every manager says that when they start, to give them time without pressure. He actually (unlike Mapp) inherited something. But that something has changed, with the exits of Lundstram and Johnson and the advent of a large clutch of 30 somethings and loanees. It is now a squad for right here and right now. So, given the happy situation he inherited, and a group of signings that are quick fixes, he is going to have to be judged on this season, not on the squad he is building for the future. And I would imagine that the 'bar' is to improve on last season. Another 8th or 9th position would be acceptable. But midtable, with fewer assets to sell and another massive turnover in playets next summer wouldn't, I think, be a great success.
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Post by eighteen93 on Sept 4, 2017 15:50:53 GMT
Not sure if you were downing Prosecco and devouring canapés with Pete Winkelman in the boardroom but I wonder how InterMk or whatever it is, managed to build a such a super stadium like that.
Pity we can't find some land for an Asda Walmart and an IKEA and a stadium to boot - just 20,000 seats for us though!
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Post by mcf86 on Sept 4, 2017 16:10:37 GMT
Didn't see the bit in the article where he encounters critical fans - are you dreaming that bit?
Mark is a decent judge and it seems to me that he judged it an equal game between two decent league 1 sides. We bossed the first quarter and then they were in charge for the rest, but we counter-attacked well in the last ten minutes. On your substantive underlying point, I dont think that people have been anything other than supportive of Pep. It is paranoid to suggest otherwise. Most everyone knows that until we are ten games in there will be no way of knowing where it's going. The only thing I'm pushing back on is Pep' s assertion that he is 'building something'. Every manager says that when they start, to give them time without pressure. He actually (unlike Mapp) inherited something. But that something has changed, with the exits of Lundstram and Johnson and the advent of a large clutch of 30 somethings and loanees. It is now a squad for right here and right now. So, given the happy situation he inherited, and a group of signings that are quick fixes, he is going to have to be judged on this season, not on the squad he is building for the future. And I would imagine that the 'bar' is to improve on last season. Another 8th or 9th position would be acceptable. But midtable, with fewer assets to sell and another massive turnover in playets next summer wouldn't, I think, be a great success. Blame my inadequate education, what I was trying to say was, in my opinion, the authors views were in contrast to the criticism I have seen against DE and Pep on social media. eg facebook.
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Post by londonroader on Sept 5, 2017 6:43:59 GMT
Didn't see the bit in the article where he encounters critical fans - are you dreaming that bit? Mark is a decent judge and it seems to me that he judged it an equal game between two decent league 1 sides. We bossed the first quarter and then they were in charge for the rest, but we counter-attacked well in the last ten minutes. On your substantive underlying point, I dont think that people have been anything other than supportive of Pep. It is paranoid to suggest otherwise. Most everyone knows that until we are ten games in there will be no way of knowing where it's going. The only thing I'm pushing back on is Pep' s assertion that he is 'building something'. Every manager says that when they start, to give them time without pressure. He actually (unlike Mapp) inherited something. But that something has changed, with the exits of Lundstram and Johnson and the advent of a large clutch of 30 somethings and loanees. It is now a squad for right here and right now. So, given the happy situation he inherited, and a group of signings that are quick fixes, he is going to have to be judged on this season, not on the squad he is building for the future. And I would imagine that the 'bar' is to improve on last season. Another 8th or 9th position would be acceptable. But midtable, with fewer assets to sell and another massive turnover in playets next summer wouldn't, I think, be a great success. I see you are now using the age card to try and beat the club over their signings, this is not the first and will assume not the last you keep referring to our experienced signings as a negative, we needed experience we now have it. Who will answer this post? you but you are on holiday, Mark if he's allowed or one of the others in the group after you have sent the obligatory emails around to concur on what to say..
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Post by Denissmithswig on Sept 5, 2017 7:01:04 GMT
Didn't see the bit in the article where he encounters critical fans - are you dreaming that bit? Mark is a decent judge and it seems to me that he judged it an equal game between two decent league 1 sides. We bossed the first quarter and then they were in charge for the rest, but we counter-attacked well in the last ten minutes. On your substantive underlying point, I dont think that people have been anything other than supportive of Pep. It is paranoid to suggest otherwise. Most everyone knows that until we are ten games in there will be no way of knowing where it's going. The only thing I'm pushing back on is Pep' s assertion that he is 'building something'. Every manager says that when they start, to give them time without pressure. He actually (unlike Mapp) inherited something. But that something has changed, with the exits of Lundstram and Johnson and the advent of a large clutch of 30 somethings and loanees. It is now a squad for right here and right now. So, given the happy situation he inherited, and a group of signings that are quick fixes, he is going to have to be judged on this season, not on the squad he is building for the future. And I would imagine that the 'bar' is to improve on last season. Another 8th or 9th position would be acceptable. But midtable, with fewer assets to sell and another massive turnover in playets next summer wouldn't, I think, be a great success. I see you are now using the age card to try and beat the club over their signings, this is not the first and will assume not the last you keep referring to our experienced signings as a negative, we needed experience we now have it. Who will answer this post? you but you are on holiday, Mark if he's allowed or one of the others in the group after you have sent the obligatory emails around to concur on what to say.. We were always going to get experienced players in this season. It was an area that was highlighted last season by MApp. Im not sure if Charlie is getting lazy or letting his guard slip but the digs at the club are certainly less subtle. I am sure though he will return to give us a nice essay of abuse.
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Post by foley on Sept 5, 2017 7:25:52 GMT
I see you are now using the age card to try and beat the club over their signings, this is not the first and will assume not the last you keep referring to our experienced signings as a negative, we needed experience we now have it. Who will answer this post? you but you are on holiday, Mark if he's allowed or one of the others in the group after you have sent the obligatory emails around to concur on what to say.. We were always going to get experienced players in this season. It was an area that was highlighted last season by MApp. Im not sure if Charlie is getting lazy or letting his guard slip but the digs at the club are certainly less subtle. I am sure though he will return to give us a nice essay of abuse. I am not sure that Charlie is saying anything particularly controversial (OK he has his way of saying things). My reading is that he is simply saying that we now have a lot more experience, we had a decent squad last season and so you would expect us to finish above last seasons 8th place. The age card I guess is in relation to the fact that the model was previously to bring in and develop younger players. This season sure we have brought in more experience, but it appears to me that the model has been changed a little and that the players brought in have been in order to try and get Promotion this season (which presumably is DE's aim)
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 5, 2017 17:18:11 GMT
I see you are now using the age card to try and beat the club over their signings, this is not the first and will assume not the last you keep referring to our experienced signings as a negative, we needed experience we now have it. Who will answer this post? you but you are on holiday, Mark if he's allowed or one of the others in the group after you have sent the obligatory emails around to concur on what to say.. We were always going to get experienced players in this season. It was an area that was highlighted last season by MApp. Im not sure if Charlie is getting lazy or letting his guard slip but the digs at the club are certainly less subtle. I am sure though he will return to give us a nice essay of abuse. Rather than respond to Thick Mick, I am going to try to have a sensible conversation with you, Wiggy, as - just sometimes - you can engage on subject matter. So. Concentrate. Ball and not man. I. Do. Not. Say. That. Signing. Loanees and 30 somethings. Is. Bad. I simply point out that given they will either not be here or will be a year later into their mid 30s this is the year when they are most likely to achieve together, not next one. Discuss?
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Post by charliesghost on Sept 5, 2017 17:21:49 GMT
Didn't see the bit in the article where he encounters critical fans - are you dreaming that bit? Mark is a decent judge and it seems to me that he judged it an equal game between two decent league 1 sides. We bossed the first quarter and then they were in charge for the rest, but we counter-attacked well in the last ten minutes. On your substantive underlying point, I dont think that people have been anything other than supportive of Pep. It is paranoid to suggest otherwise. Most everyone knows that until we are ten games in there will be no way of knowing where it's going. The only thing I'm pushing back on is Pep' s assertion that he is 'building something'. Every manager says that when they start, to give them time without pressure. He actually (unlike Mapp) inherited something. But that something has changed, with the exits of Lundstram and Johnson and the advent of a large clutch of 30 somethings and loanees. It is now a squad for right here and right now. So, given the happy situation he inherited, and a group of signings that are quick fixes, he is going to have to be judged on this season, not on the squad he is building for the future. And I would imagine that the 'bar' is to improve on last season. Another 8th or 9th position would be acceptable. But midtable, with fewer assets to sell and another massive turnover in playets next summer wouldn't, I think, be a great success. I see you are now using the age card to try and beat the club over their signings, this is not the first and will assume not the last you keep referring to our experienced signings as a negative, we needed experience we now have it. Who will answer this post? you but you are on holiday, Mark if he's allowed or one of the others in the group after you have sent the obligatory emails around to concur on what to say.. It is richly ironic that someone who spent six months making sly, low personal digs at the owner of the club should continuously accuse me of being anti the club (By which one presumes the owner). I wonder if the eminence gris who gives Thick Mick his marching orders told him to lay off once the personal attacks on Oxvox started to die down.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Sept 5, 2017 18:21:36 GMT
We were always going to get experienced players in this season. It was an area that was highlighted last season by MApp. Im not sure if Charlie is getting lazy or letting his guard slip but the digs at the club are certainly less subtle. I am sure though he will return to give us a nice essay of abuse. Rather than respond to Thick Mick, I am going to try to have a sensible conversation with you, Wiggy, as - just sometimes - you can engage on subject matter. So. Concentrate. Ball and not man. I. Do. Not. Say. That. Signing. Loanees and 30 somethings. Is. Bad. I simply point out that given they will either not be here or will be a year later into their mid 30s this is the year when they are most likely to achieve together, not next one. Discuss? Signing seasoned pro's is for this season but that doesn't mean signing them goes against the plan. If anything signing players such as Williamson and Moushino will help add value to players like Ledson and Ruffels as they pass on their experience and talent. As for loans, again we need these players like we do every season to add to the squad. Remember Roofe started out as a loan. I think there will be a real chance of signing someone like Mowatt permantly who could kick start his career to then be sold for a profit. Pep came in late so needed to sign players for here and now. I'd expect us to look at longer term signings in the next 2 windows.
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Post by londonroader on Sept 5, 2017 19:00:28 GMT
I see you are now using the age card to try and beat the club over their signings, this is not the first and will assume not the last you keep referring to our experienced signings as a negative, we needed experience we now have it. Who will answer this post? you but you are on holiday, Mark if he's allowed or one of the others in the group after you have sent the obligatory emails around to concur on what to say.. It is richly ironic that someone who spent six months making sly, low personal digs at the owner of the club should continuously accuse me of being anti the club (By which one presumes the owner). I wonder if the eminence gris who gives Thick Mick his marching orders told him to lay off once the personal attacks on Oxvox started to die down. Talk about irony, you couldn't make it up if you tried. "So. Concentrate. Ball and not man." You just can't help yourself, you have to personally attack any poster who doesn't agree with you or your groups agenda, time to grow up chas.
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Post by Jem on Sept 6, 2017 20:10:31 GMT
I see you are now using the age card to try and beat the club over their signings, this is not the first and will assume not the last you keep referring to our experienced signings as a negative, we needed experience we now have it. Who will answer this post? you but you are on holiday, Mark if he's allowed or one of the others in the group after you have sent the obligatory emails around to concur on what to say.. It is richly ironic that someone who spent six months making sly, low personal digs at the owner of the club should continuously accuse me of being anti the club (By which one presumes the owner). I wonder if the eminence gris who gives Thick Mick his marching orders told him to lay off once the personal attacks on Oxvox started to die down. Personal attacks on OxVox?! By who? I must have missed that Charlie?! Cheers!
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Post by paulbeasley on Sept 7, 2017 8:19:06 GMT
Didn't see the bit in the article where he encounters critical fans - are you dreaming that bit? Mark is a decent judge and it seems to me that he judged it an equal game between two decent league 1 sides. We bossed the first quarter and then they were in charge for the rest, but we counter-attacked well in the last ten minutes. On your substantive underlying point, I dont think that people have been anything other than supportive of Pep. It is paranoid to suggest otherwise. Most everyone knows that until we are ten games in there will be no way of knowing where it's going. The only thing I'm pushing back on is Pep' s assertion that he is 'building something'. Every manager says that when they start, to give them time without pressure. He actually (unlike Mapp) inherited something. But that something has changed, with the exits of Lundstram and Johnson and the advent of a large clutch of 30 somethings and loanees. It is now a squad for right here and right now. So, given the happy situation he inherited, and a group of signings that are quick fixes, he is going to have to be judged on this season, not on the squad he is building for the future. And I would imagine that the 'bar' is to improve on last season. Another 8th or 9th position would be acceptable. But midtable, with fewer assets to sell and another massive turnover in playets next summer wouldn't, I think, be a great success. Perhaps fewer but still some very valuable assets even if they arrived before Pep. Nelson for starters. Plus Ryan Ledson is very highly rated in the game.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 7, 2017 12:08:31 GMT
Then of course if players like Van Kessel do well, they are an asset. The most money we have made on a deal is the one for Johnson isn't it? Who isn't a young player.
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Post by bobsss on Sept 7, 2017 14:54:28 GMT
Well, exciting times - I suppose!.....we all wish Pep and our new 'United Nations" workforce all the best.....I certainly will. The trouble is, being in my dotage when I've seen some of them play already, I have'nt the foggiest idea as to who they are......and theres more to come!......and ye gods, how the hell poor old Nick Harris will be able to cope, god only knows. Think us old farts should sue the club for inflicting such confusion on us...- It was'nt like this when I first started supporting the 'U's....come to think of it, I might take my old wooden rattle and a packet of Woodbines with me this week......just like I did when I watched us play Blackburn and Preston NE back in yester-year......not the slightest problem then.......wonder how far I will get this time..... AND another thing, we did'nt have the Methvens, Sennets, Oxvox , Jems, Ultras (and too many others to mention) with their motley crews to guide us in the paths of their perceived righteousness when attending matches....no mobile phones or bloody forums....health and safety, whats that!.....the world has gone mad I tell you....bah, humbug...... Disclaimer......Anyone taking this post seriously, is either round the twist like me - or an arsehole.
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Post by Junior on Sept 7, 2017 16:20:35 GMT
Well, exciting times - I suppose!.....we all wish Pep and our new 'United Nations" workforce all the best.....I certainly will. The trouble is, being in my dotage when I've seen some of them play already, I have'nt the foggiest idea as to who they are......and theres more to come!......and ye gods, how the hell poor old Nick Harris will be able to cope, god only knows. Think us old farts should sue the club for inflicting such confusion on us...- It was'nt like this when I first started supporting the 'U's....come to think of it, I might take my old wooden rattle and a packet of Woodbines with me this week......just like I did when I watched us play Blackburn and Preston NE back in yester-year......not the slightest problem then.......wonder how far I will get this time..... AND another thing, we did'nt have the Methvens, Sennets, Oxvox , Jems, Ultras (and too many others to mention) with their motley crews to guide us in the paths of their perceived righteousness when attending matches....no mobile phones or bloody forums....health and safety, whats that!.....the world has gone mad I tell you....bah, humbug...... Disclaimer......Anyone taking this post seriously, is either round the twist like me - or an arsehole. Nice to see you back posting Bob.. Hope all is well. 👍
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Post by Jem on Sept 7, 2017 16:51:07 GMT
Well, exciting times - I suppose!.....we all wish Pep and our new 'United Nations" workforce all the best.....I certainly will. The trouble is, being in my dotage when I've seen some of them play already, I have'nt the foggiest idea as to who they are......and theres more to come!......and ye gods, how the hell poor old Nick Harris will be able to cope, god only knows. Think us old farts should sue the club for inflicting such confusion on us...- It was'nt like this when I first started supporting the 'U's....come to think of it, I might take my old wooden rattle and a packet of Woodbines with me this week......just like I did when I watched us play Blackburn and Preston NE back in yester-year......not the slightest problem then.......wonder how far I will get this time..... AND another thing, we did'nt have the Methvens, Sennets, Oxvox , Jems, Ultras (and too many others to mention) with their motley crews to guide us in the paths of their perceived righteousness when attending matches....no mobile phones or bloody forums....health and safety, whats that!.....the world has gone mad I tell you....bah, humbug...... Disclaimer......Anyone taking this post seriously, is either round the twist like me - or an arsehole. I'll 'discuss' this with you on Friday Bob! Cheers
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Post by oldham on Sept 8, 2017 6:36:21 GMT
Well, exciting times - I suppose!.....we all wish Pep and our new 'United Nations" workforce all the best.....I certainly will. The trouble is, being in my dotage when I've seen some of them play already, I have'nt the foggiest idea as to who they are......and theres more to come!......and ye gods, how the hell poor old Nick Harris will be able to cope, god only knows. Think us old farts should sue the club for inflicting such confusion on us...- It was'nt like this when I first started supporting the 'U's....come to think of it, I might take my old wooden rattle and a packet of Woodbines with me this week......just like I did when I watched us play Blackburn and Preston NE back in yester-year......not the slightest problem then.......wonder how far I will get this time..... AND another thing, we did'nt have the Methvens, Sennets, Oxvox , Jems, Ultras (and too many others to mention) with their motley crews to guide us in the paths of their perceived righteousness when attending matches....no mobile phones or bloody forums....health and safety, whats that!.....the world has gone mad I tell you....bah, humbug...... Disclaimer......Anyone taking this post seriously, is either round the twist like me - or an arsehole. I'll 'discuss' this with you on Friday Bob! Cheers Now now Jem, leave the extendable truncheon in its box at home and just buy the old love half a mild on Friday 😄
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Post by bobsss on Sept 8, 2017 22:54:21 GMT
Well, exciting times - I suppose!.....we all wish Pep and our new 'United Nations" workforce all the best.....I certainly will. The trouble is, being in my dotage when I've seen some of them play already, I have'nt the foggiest idea as to who they are......and theres more to come!......and ye gods, how the hell poor old Nick Harris will be able to cope, god only knows. Think us old farts should sue the club for inflicting such confusion on us...- It was'nt like this when I first started supporting the 'U's....come to think of it, I might take my old wooden rattle and a packet of Woodbines with me this week......just like I did when I watched us play Blackburn and Preston NE back in yester-year......not the slightest problem then.......wonder how far I will get this time..... AND another thing, we did'nt have the Methvens, Sennets, Oxvox , Jems, Ultras (and too many others to mention) with their motley crews to guide us in the paths of their perceived righteousness when attending matches....no mobile phones or bloody forums....health and safety, whats that!.....the world has gone mad I tell you....bah, humbug...... Disclaimer......Anyone taking this post seriously, is either round the twist like me - or an arsehole. Nice to see you back posting Bob.. Hope all is well. 👍 Hi Junior.....long time no see.....trust you are well....are you still doing the night shifts?....must get together for a coffee sometime. I don't get involved in forums much these days - leave the footballing politics to the younger element.....hey ho!.....regards.....Bob.
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