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Post by eighteen93 on Aug 29, 2017 18:11:40 GMT
There is no doubt that Appleton brought in some fantastic loan signings e.g Kemar Roofe, George Baldock, Jordan Graham , Chris Maguire, Conor McAleny, Jon-Joe Kenny, Tareiq Holmes-Dennis and to a slightly lesser extent Phil Edwards and maybe even Joe Riley, perhaps.
He also brought in permanent quality such as John Lundstram, Simon Eastwood, Curtis Nelson, Marvin Johnson, Robert Hall, Liam Sercombe, Joe Skarz, Chey Dunkley, Alex MacDonald and later made Maguire and Roofe into permanent transfers.
He did however have severe difficulties bringing in quality up front in terms of orthodox strikers and many have proved to be of dubious quality to say the least - Will Hoskins, Patrick Hoban, John Campbell, George Waring, Armand Gnanduillet, Carlton Morris, Tyrone Barnett, Wes Burns, Kyle Vassell, Jordan Bowery, Ryan Taylor, Antonio Martinez and Daniel Crowley. Some would no doubt add Kane Hemmings and Wes Thomas to the list.
Who who you regard as his poorest bit of business or his biggest mistake all things considered?
(There was also a plethora of other signings such as Michael Collins, Alex Jakubiak, Giorgio Rasulo, Cameron Gayle, Zeli Ismail, Benjamin Buchel, Brian Howard, Sam Slocombe, Jordan Evans, Aaron Martin, Joe Rothwell, Charlie Raglan and Christian Ribeiro).
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Post by whitstablexile on Aug 29, 2017 18:21:01 GMT
Firstly I'd say that MApp's signings were frequently inspired, and the club is in a very decent financial position as a result. Yes, there were a few lemons and a few calculated risks that didn't come off. That's the nature of the beast.
Secondly I reckon that, like in any business, recruitment of staff at a football club is probably the single most difficult activity undertaken.
My biggest disappointment was the recruitment of Hemmings and Johnson last summer, and then the consistent failure to play to their strengths and in the right positions with the right support.
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Post by grenobleroad on Aug 29, 2017 18:22:19 GMT
Going to put my tin hat on here. Buchel and Slocombe for me were his poorest signings as they had the most impact on us.
You could probably name 10 or 15 players who were worse but they were shipped out or didn't feature so didn't impact us much.
However these two in my opinion cost us the league two title.
We were that good and they did not contribute to our points tally at all. A half decent keeper would of won us a few games or kept a loss a draw and seen us win the title in my opinion.
For balance though I think Eastwood was his best. Don't think we will make money on him but think he will be our number 1 for a good few years.
If Eastwood was keeper in that league two season, we win the league.
However we were the best team so happy with that.
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Post by berliner on Aug 29, 2017 18:33:39 GMT
Going to put my tin hat on here. Buchel and Slocombe for me were his poorest signings as they had the most impact on us. You could probably name 10 or 15 players who were worse but they were shipped out or didn't feature so didn't impact us much. However these two in my opinion cost us the league two title. We were that good and they did not contribute to our points tally at all. A half decent keeper would of won us a few games or kept a loss a draw and seen us win the title in my opinion. For balance though I think Eastwood was his best. Don't think we will make money on him but think he will be our number 1 for a good few years. If Eastwood was keeper in that league two season, we win the league. However we were the best team so happy with that. Slocombe possibly, if not for the fact that SO much more was expected of him. Büchel however came in, made the number one shirt his own, would have kept it were it not for his father falling ill, then made the shirt his own again and contributed in no small part to promotion (have we forgotten the save at Barnet? "didn't contribute to the points tally"...utter horseshit!). Yep, he wasn't the most secure when it came to crosses but I can only remember three goals where he was directly to blame (one corner, one long range effort against Accy I think and that one time he slipped over). So in contrast to the players in post one, nah, not having that sorry.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Aug 29, 2017 18:54:47 GMT
I was on a train with a bunch of Tranmere fans yesterday who were making up songs about George Waring. They seemed fond of him but I have no idea why.
I think they were traveling back from Solihull. Made me so grateful to be in League 1.
Tyrone Barnett scored 4 in 12. Wes Thomas is OK.
Waring, Hoban and Hemmings were his worst decisions in my opinion.
Roofe and that other young winger from Wolves were my favourites.
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 29, 2017 19:14:34 GMT
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Post by Common Villager on Aug 29, 2017 20:12:41 GMT
There is no doubt that Appleton brought in some fantastic loan signings e.g Kemar Roofe, George Baldock, Jordan Graham , Chris Maguire, Conor McAleny, Jon-Joe Kenny, Tareiq Holmes-Dennis and to a slightly lesser extent Phil Edwards and maybe even Joe Riley, perhaps. He also brought in permanent quality such as John Lundstram, Simon Eastwood, Curtis Nelson, Marvin Johnson, Robert Hall, Liam Sercombe, Joe Skarz, Chey Dunkley, Alex MacDonald and later made Maguire and Roofe into permanent transfers. He did however have severe difficulties bringing in quality up front in terms of orthodox strikers and many have proved to be of dubious quality to say the least - Will Hoskins, Patrick Hoban, John Campbell, George Waring, Armand Gnanduillet, Carlton Morris, Tyrone Barnett, Wes Burns, Kyle Vassell, Jordan Bowery, Ryan Taylor, Antonio Martinez and Daniel Crowley. Some would no doubt add Kane Hemmings and Wes Thomas to the list. Who who you regard as his poorest bit of business or his biggest mistake all things considered? (There was also a plethora of other signings such as Michael Collins, Alex Jakubiak, Giorgio Rasulo, Cameron Gayle, Zeli Ismail, Benjamin Buchel, Brian Howard, Sam Slocombe, Jordan Evans, Aaron Martin, Joe Rothwell, Charlie Raglan and Christian Ribeiro). Hoskins was a risk that was probably worth taking at the time, but it backfired. Hoban and Campbell were the type of signings lots of fans for calling for at the time. Both were non-league stars that were worth a punt. Waring and the French guy were both crap, admittedly. I always thought Morris was okay, just probably not what we needed at the time. He proved he's pretty decent on Saturday. Tyrone Barnett was up and down but did go through a purple patch at one point. Weren't we all about disappointed not to sign him? Probably dodged a bullet given his record since, mind. Vassell scored a belter on his debut didn't he? That goal itself justifies his time here. Bowery was a bit of an inspired signing. Scored two or three vitally important goals during the run in. Taylor was a decent enough player, little frustrating at times. Martinez scored the goal that led to possibly the wildest celebration ever at M'borough. Crowley was a cock.
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Post by taffyewe on Aug 29, 2017 20:27:33 GMT
There is no doubt that Appleton brought in some fantastic loan signings e.g Kemar Roofe, George Baldock, Jordan Graham , Chris Maguire, Conor McAleny, Jon-Joe Kenny, Tareiq Holmes-Dennis and to a slightly lesser extent Phil Edwards and maybe even Joe Riley, perhaps. He also brought in permanent quality such as John Lundstram, Simon Eastwood, Curtis Nelson, Marvin Johnson, Robert Hall, Liam Sercombe, Joe Skarz, Chey Dunkley, Alex MacDonald and later made Maguire and Roofe into permanent transfers. He did however have severe difficulties bringing in quality up front in terms of orthodox strikers and many have proved to be of dubious quality to say the least - Will Hoskins, Patrick Hoban, John Campbell, George Waring, Armand Gnanduillet, Carlton Morris, Tyrone Barnett, Wes Burns, Kyle Vassell, Jordan Bowery, Ryan Taylor, Antonio Martinez and Daniel Crowley. Some would no doubt add Kane Hemmings and Wes Thomas to the list. Who who you regard as his poorest bit of business or his biggest mistake all things considered? (There was also a plethora of other signings such as Michael Collins, Alex Jakubiak, Giorgio Rasulo, Cameron Gayle, Zeli Ismail, Benjamin Buchel, Brian Howard, Sam Slocombe, Jordan Evans, Aaron Martin, Joe Rothwell, Charlie Raglan and Christian Ribeiro). Hoskins was a risk that was probably worth taking at the time, but it backfired. Hoban and Campbell were the type of signings lots of fans for calling for at the time. Both were non-league stars that were worth a punt. Waring and the French guy were both crap, admittedly. I always thought Morris was okay, just probably not what we needed at the time. He proved he's pretty decent on Saturday. Tyrone Barnett was up and down but did go through a purple patch at one point. Weren't we all about disappointed not to sign him? Probably dodged a bullet given his record since, mind. Vassell scored a belter on his debut didn't he? That goal itself justifies his time here. Bowery was a bit of an inspired signing. Scored two or three vitally important goals during the run in. Taylor was a decent enough player, little frustrating at times. Martinez scored the goal that led to possibly the wildest celebration ever at M'borough. Crowley was a cock. I agree with most of this. The original post was quite off base.
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Aug 29, 2017 22:16:06 GMT
From what I remember Mapp was playing catch up in his first season, no real time to bring in quality, didn't know the league that well and had to shift the crap left by the previous manager.......no manager will bring in players that work every time......even Sir Alex signed numerous players that didn't perform
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Post by Si Bradbury on Aug 29, 2017 22:18:49 GMT
He did however have severe difficulties bringing in quality up front in terms of orthodox strikers and many have proved to be of dubious quality to say the least - Will Hoskins, Patrick Hoban, John Campbell, George Waring, Armand Gnanduillet, Carlton Morris, Tyrone Barnett, Wes Burns, Kyle Vassell, Jordan Bowery, Ryan Taylor, Antonio Martinez and Daniel Crowley. You were doing well until you included Tyrone Barnett, Jordan Bowery and Toni Martinez. Seriously, dubious quality? Not sure what the issue is with taking a punt on a prolific non league goalscorer or a young Carlton Morris, who demonstrated on Saturday he was a handful and is still contracted to Norwich.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Aug 29, 2017 22:20:26 GMT
From what I remember Mapp was playing catch up in his first season, no real time to bring in quality, didn't know the league that well and had to shift the crap left by the previous manager.......no manager will bring in players that work every time......even Sir Alex signed numerous players that didn't perform Well the previous manager to MAPP was Gary Waddock and he only brought Hylton in...........
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 29, 2017 22:24:17 GMT
I would say most of if not all were better than the squad he took on when he first came in with players such as Newey and Hunt playing for us.
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Aug 29, 2017 22:48:08 GMT
From what I remember Mapp was playing catch up in his first season, no real time to bring in quality, didn't know the league that well and had to shift the crap left by the previous manager.......no manager will bring in players that work every time......even Sir Alex signed numerous players that didn't perform Well the previous manager to MAPP was Gary Waddock and he only brought Hylton in........... Good shout.....the deadwood left by the manager before Waddock
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Post by socrates on Aug 30, 2017 11:32:16 GMT
Hemmings was a terrible signing because Appleton didn't know what to do with him. He was a poacher who was played as a target man. For 250k! Awful.
Wes Thomas could also prove to be a real stinker.
But Martin takes the biscuit for me because he was deemed a better fit for us than Jake Wright. Appleton got very little wrong but the ousting of Wright was an absolute shocker. Had he stayed I'm convinvced we'd have made the playoffs last season.
Now 40 matches unbeaten for Sheff U and is making the cb position his own in the championship
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Post by swissyellow on Aug 30, 2017 11:35:00 GMT
Whats Hoban doing now?
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Post by unification on Aug 30, 2017 14:15:24 GMT
MApp deserves credit for not allowing poor or under-par players to sit here for too long. I don’t think there are many players who played under him in his time here who didn’t get a fair go at making something of their career here, but once their time was up they were gone. He should count himself lucky that he had a chairman prepared to come to mutually terminating contracts with players as IL never allowed that with CW.
I was highly critical of MApp during his early days. Trying to play his system when your fullbacks are Newey and Hunt was just madness and we looked in a heap of trouble for a lot of that season. The revolving door of players probably didn’t help at the start of the season with bad attitude, poor players like Junior Brown knocking around.
Thinking about this in more detail, I think a few categories are in order.
Most pointless for me were Jeremy Balmy, Giorgio Rasulo and Cameron Gayle. Why bother bringing them in? Especially the latter who really did seem like a signing to keep us ticking over for two weeks.
Biggest disappointment – Kane Hemmings. £250k spent on six league goals. Not really good enough. Dishonourable mention to ‘keeper George Long. When Slocombe and Buchel get criticism above, imagine how we would have got on in our promotion season had our loanee from Sheffield United been between the sticks! He thought he was Manuel Neuer.
Worst signing – Dan Crowley. A disruptive big-time Charlie who thought he was better than he was. It speaks wonders when a highly thought of youngster from an academy as successful as Arsenal’s is sent back to the parent club from a League 1 outfit.
On a positive note, he always got more right than wrong. It’s just fun to nit-pick at times!
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Post by oxfordmitch on Aug 30, 2017 15:17:45 GMT
Hemmings was a terrible signing because Appleton didn't know what to do with him. He was a poacher who was played as a target man. For 250k! Awful. Wes Thomas could also prove to be a real stinker. But Martin takes the biscuit for me because he was deemed a better fit for us than Jake Wright. Appleton got very little wrong but the ousting of Wright was an absolute shocker. Had he stayed I'm convinvced we'd have made the playoffs last season. Now 40 matches unbeaten for Sheff U and is making the cb position his own in the championship I agree. I was mortified when JW left, more so than when any of Roofe, O Dowda, Hylton or Mullins went. Jake was incredible and vastly underrated. A brilliant leader and one who I'm convinced would've gained us enough points to make the play offs last year. Some abject performances would not have been tolerated the way they were last season, particularly in the Autumn. However, it wasn't the arrival of Martin which signalled the end for JW. I believe that Martin was always brought in to replace Mullins with Dunkley knocking on the door. The arrival of Nelson, which I think was completed very quickly after hearing there was a sniff of signing him, was what sealed the deal. I would say in hindsight a mistake, but I know several on here agreed with me at the time, that it was a bigger loss than most people could envisage. FWIW, I still think Id have Wright now in my first team. He's not better than our current skipper, but those two together would be formidable.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Aug 30, 2017 15:32:49 GMT
Wright's card was marked around the Barnsley cup final. Appleton let him do all the press in the build up to the game and then benched him and left him there on the day. That was a bit of a naughty power play by the manager and I said so at the time. Was definitely the mark of somebody being punished or taught a lesson.
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Post by lukehudson on Aug 30, 2017 15:42:18 GMT
What did Junior Brown actually do?
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Post by MJB on Aug 30, 2017 16:32:07 GMT
What did Junior Brown actually do? Said some naughty words caught on camera after being subbed during the Cambridge debacle.
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Post by Toeby on Aug 30, 2017 16:38:12 GMT
What did Junior Brown actually do? Cut in front of Appleton in the canteen and took the last protein shake.
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Post by Jason N on Aug 30, 2017 16:51:33 GMT
Reports that Leicester are making a bid for Jordan Graham. Another Mapp signing..
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