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Post by Boogaloo on Sept 4, 2017 22:03:24 GMT
Insert captions below!! You wanted the biggest butt-plug in the world, and here it is. Enjoy!
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Post by huggett on Sept 5, 2017 9:13:28 GMT
Best not get involved I’d say. Could escalate quite quickly….. With more parties involved, could make the South China Sea become a bigger subject. If it does kick off, Russia & Iran may fancy dibs in too?
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Post by foley on Sept 5, 2017 12:47:47 GMT
So Putin reckons that more sanctions are pointless as 'they would rather eat grass than give up their nuclear defence'. When he says 'they' presumably he means the NK people (whilst the leaders in NK no doubt live it up no expense spared).
If he is right then no sanctions, no war and NK presumably simply carry on expanding their nuclear arsenal.
Whist China does little/ nothing.
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Post by Marked Ox on Sept 5, 2017 15:08:23 GMT
So Putin reckons that more sanctions are pointless as 'they would rather eat grass than give up their nuclear defence'. When he says 'they' presumably he means the NK people (whilst the leaders in NK no doubt live it up no expense spared). If he is right then no sanctions, no war and NK presumably simply carry on expanding their nuclear arsenal. Whist China does little/ nothing. That is what he seems to be suggesting. For once, Putin is talking sense (with regards the NK regime) although his references to the possibility of war is rather ironic when it is perfectly acceptable for him/Russia to use war as an active policy in Ukraine.
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Post by plonker on Sept 5, 2017 16:40:57 GMT
So Putin reckons that more sanctions are pointless as 'they would rather eat grass than give up their nuclear defence'. When he says 'they' presumably he means the NK people (whilst the leaders in NK no doubt live it up no expense spared). If he is right then no sanctions, no war and NK presumably simply carry on expanding their nuclear arsenal. Whist China does little/ nothing. If the stories about the regime are remotely true, the sanctions won't do much at all. The ones who will suffer the most are regular folk who live in poverty while chubs and his cronies continue to live their lavish lifestyle. In fact, sanctions might even help his cause against the evil empire; furthering the notion that the cause of their suffering isn't the fat t*at in charge - no, he'll somehow 'save' you all - it's the nation imposing all these financial hardships on them... It's crazy that a fat Korean and a talking tangerine can cause so much uneasiness on a global scale. Definitely a scary situation that I can only see escalating unfortunately.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 5, 2017 16:47:39 GMT
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Post by gofish2 on Sept 5, 2017 19:39:24 GMT
I think this is where the US need to back off and let the Russians/Chinese do the work. Because Trump has now set out his stall as the defender of the west (and anyone else he wants as friends)due to his flailing popularity, the US stepping back is highly unlikely. NK is looking for status and by taking on a super power it has the world's attention. That it would be obliterated in the process of military conflict seems not to matter, we are led to believe. I am inclined to agree with Putin who, in addition to his 'grass eating' preference of KJU' reference, promotes diplomacy and the idea of their 'freeze' on nuclear capability development. Over and above all of this, I am reminded of Einstein's response to the question; 'how will world war 3 be fought?'
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 5, 2017 20:37:00 GMT
The issue is that China have not felt NKs progress to nuke power as an issue so far, so they've had little incentive to do anything. Putin is right on sanctions and he knows from personal experience that you can get around them.
Trump is selling more arms to Japan and SK, so short term the US wins in an economical sense
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Post by Boogaloo on Sept 6, 2017 9:52:00 GMT
Putin is absolutely right. There are already lots of harsh sanctions already placed on North Korea, but they are going laregly ignored. Sure it's causing poverty for the NK people, but fat-boy and his cronies clearly don't give a toss about that. As long as I'm alright Jack.
What would more sanctions do? They would just cause more suffering the the everyday NK people, who already suffer enough with the hardships they have to endure, and the tyrannical regime that they are forced to live under. It won't affect fat-boy one bit - that you can pretty much guarantee.
The best thing Trump can do is back off. Giving it Billy big-b*llocks "I am the head of the World police", isn't going to endear him to anybody.
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Post by essexyellows on Sept 6, 2017 11:41:52 GMT
Nice to see Communism working in all its finery.
Tactical strikes to take out their nuclear capacity and their leadership, they will soon toe the line with the rest of the planet. It would be quicker and more easily resolved than any "war on terror".
Sanctions & negotiations will have zero effect on a dictator who wants to wave his big toys around.
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Post by m on Sept 6, 2017 11:50:13 GMT
Nice to see Communism working in all its finery. It's been decades since North Korea called itself Communist!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 6, 2017 12:20:59 GMT
The issue with Trump backing is off is we've spent the last few years doing just that and we've let them do what they like. Through all the soaring oratory, we've let them do what they hell they like. Where is the red line before we have to take a different course of action? We're afraid of inciting NK, but it assumes they hold is in any regard. They don't. They don't care a hoot for anyone but China and their oil.
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Post by essexyellows on Sept 6, 2017 13:58:41 GMT
Nice to see Communism working in all its finery. It's been decades since North Korea called itself Communist! 10 October 2015 was officially the 70th anniversary of the Korean Workers Party (KWP), the North Korean communist party. Doesn`t seem that long ago. Whilst some may struggle with the monarchic succession that occurs its about as communist as you can get these days. Everybody works & believes in the "greater good" however it is much "more equal" for those at the top than the bottom.
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Post by huggett on Sept 6, 2017 14:15:04 GMT
The issue with Trump backing is off is we've spent the last few years doing just that and we've let them do what they like. Through all the soaring oratory, we've let them do what they hell they like. Where is the red line before we have to take a different course of action? We're afraid of inciting NK, but it assumes they hold is in any regard. They don't. They don't care a hoot for anyone but China and their oil. Surely you mean DPRK (formed in 9 September 1948) AKA (in English) North Korea’s massive export of Coal Briquettes? atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/prk/I’m not particularly intelligent, nor know a profound amount on this topic. Yet, the majority of posts here are basic. Some of them could have been responses to click bait news, from logging off your MSN/hotmail account 10 years ago….. Don’t believe all the news you read or watch all the recommended video’s Youtube suggests. Even, Mick from the pub. Everybody has a right to respond. But, doesn’t have to be responsible with it South China Sea {~} 42.519554, 130.553584
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 6, 2017 14:18:40 GMT
Specially Mick from the pub.
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Post by gofish2 on Sept 6, 2017 21:29:26 GMT
The issue with Trump backing is off is we've spent the last few years doing just that and we've let them do what they like. Through all the soaring oratory, we've let them do what they hell they like. Where is the red line before we have to take a different course of action? We're afraid of inciting NK, but it assumes they hold is in any regard. They don't. They don't care a hoot for anyone but China and their oil. Surely you mean DPRK (formed in 9 September 1948) AKA (in English) North Korea’s massive export of Coal Briquettes? atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/prk/I’m not particularly intelligent, nor know a profound amount on this topic. Yet, the majority of posts here are basic. Some of them could have been responses to click bait news, from logging off your MSN/hotmail account 10 years ago….. Don’t believe all the news you read or watch all the recommended video’s Youtube suggests. Even, Mick from the pub. Everybody has a right to respond. But, doesn’t have to be responsible with it South China Sea {~} 42.519554, 130.553584 Paul I have to respectfully disagree with your comment concerning your intelligence, and I'm not sure what point you're making. I for one, don't simply consume headlines and am trying to read the broader picture behind them. I really am struggling with this and, where once I would have regarded these things as posturing and rhetoric, am now very worried. We have two egocentric power holders with nuclear codes and power, in opposition. One a despot, the other an elected businessman with the diplomatic skills and statesman like posture of a TV gameshow host. Every national leader is expressing concern and alarm, and those analysts (many with considerable experience) are describing a 'desperate and disastrous' situation. I really cant see a diplomatic solution to this, unless Trump is is impeached on the grounds of his dubious mental health status (see American Psychiatric association 'responsibility to inform petition') and China work with Russia to contain NK
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Post by KLYellow on Sept 7, 2017 3:05:23 GMT
I don't know why they are making a big deal out of North Korea? Leave them alone and let them do what they want.
Did the UN or the world impose sanctions against the US, UK, Russia and all the other nuclear countries when they did nuclear testing around the world?
Do North Korea have terrorists or sponsor terrorism? If they want to be a communist state, so what?
Unlike 50 years ago North Korea don't have the backing or ideology to invade South Korea.
So I feel this is all propaganda as we constantly need to have a "bad guy" in the world to justify defence budgets, etc.
Sent from my XIAOMI NOTE PRO using telepathy
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 7, 2017 7:14:13 GMT
They could start the mutually assured destruction of the world by launching nukes at the US or Japan (or anyone for that matter) - or just annihilate a city or country launching a nuke. It's a different sort of threat to Syria or Afghanistan, but nonetheless as dangerous because it's so binary.
Sadly, I can't see a diplomatic way out of this "crisis" when the other person (Un) just doesn't care. He's has the same lack of regard for Obama and Trump.
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Post by gofish2 on Sept 7, 2017 11:21:21 GMT
It seems that Putin is really becoming more verbal on the way forward, namely in telling the US to pipe down and stop 'playing along' with NK provocation. If South Korea, the Russians and Chinese can incentivise rather than punish NK perhaps there's a route to resolution, for now at least.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 7, 2017 12:06:11 GMT
100% agree. The issue is once they have nukes, the genie can't be put back into the bottle. I do wonder why Russia and China have let it go on so long
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Post by gofish2 on Sept 7, 2017 12:23:51 GMT
I wonder that too! Obviously other vested interests in view of their long term relations with NK.
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Post by thesecretposter on Sept 15, 2017 4:41:54 GMT
So NK have fired ANOTHER missile over Japan. How long does it take before someone says enough is enough? Would China/Russia actually back them if someone did take military action? The bloke is laughing his tits off every time he does something like this.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 15, 2017 7:35:04 GMT
It depends on what is most expedient for them both. What I don't understand is why Un wants war other than to wipe out the whole Korea peninsula. He can do that now if wants. Best hope is he keeps eating cheese and dies of a heart attack.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Sept 15, 2017 8:07:27 GMT
It depends on what is most expedient for them both. What I don't understand is why Un wants war other than to wipe out the whole Korea peninsula. He can do that now if wants. Best hope is he keeps eating cheese and dies of a heart attack. Don't look for any logic when it comes to Un, certainly not reasoned logic. For him, it's all about self-preservation. Internally, his Gestapo keep him safe. Externally, if North Korea has nuclear weapons he feels safe. It's 30 year old 'Cold War' thinking. Maybe he would use his weapons, maybe he wouldn't. The biggest risk at the moment is probably not deliberate conflict but if a missile accidentally goes off target and hits Japan, which is not too unlikely given the past incompetence they've shown during their weapons programme.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 15, 2017 9:32:03 GMT
It depends on what is most expedient for them both. What I don't understand is why Un wants war other than to wipe out the whole Korea peninsula. He can do that now if wants. Best hope is he keeps eating cheese and dies of a heart attack. Don't look for any logic when it comes to Un, certainly not reasoned logic. For him, it's all about self-preservation. Internally, his Gestapo keep him safe. Externally, if North Korea has nuclear weapons he feels safe. It's 30 year old 'Cold War' thinking. Maybe he would use his weapons, maybe he wouldn't. The biggest risk at the moment is probably not deliberate conflict but if a missile accidentally goes off target and hits Japan, which is not too unlikely given the past incompetence they've shown during their weapons programme. We were talking about topping off Un and how it would be at work this morning. Hitler was a hard one to do, and Un will be a lot harder. More sanctions are being done but Un is the issue. I can't help but wonder if a coup or something will happen rather swiftly if China feel threatened
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Post by Pete Burrett on Sept 15, 2017 9:40:56 GMT
Don't look for any logic when it comes to Un, certainly not reasoned logic. For him, it's all about self-preservation. Internally, his Gestapo keep him safe. Externally, if North Korea has nuclear weapons he feels safe. It's 30 year old 'Cold War' thinking. Maybe he would use his weapons, maybe he wouldn't. The biggest risk at the moment is probably not deliberate conflict but if a missile accidentally goes off target and hits Japan, which is not too unlikely given the past incompetence they've shown during their weapons programme. We were talking about topping off Un and how it would be at work this morning. Hitler was a hard one to do, and Un will be a lot harder. More sanctions are being done but Un is the issue. I can't help but wonder if a coup or something will happen rather swiftly if China feel threatened Yep, Un has acres of idolising hangers on (have you seen all those 'generals' with the big hats?) but, you'd imagine, very few friends. He even murders his own family members. If Un could be got rid of - and surely China are looking at options - the North Korean problem might disappear. Then again, look what happened in Iraq and Libya ....
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 15, 2017 12:10:49 GMT
The lack of religion in NK is the difference between Iraq and Libya. Less religious fundamentalist factional fighting should occur in NK
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Sept 15, 2017 12:34:55 GMT
The lack of religion in NK is the difference between Iraq and Libya. Less religious fundamentalist factional fighting should occur in NK Except that for many of the populace of NK, their leader is a god and their belief in the system is at least as fervent as any religion. They have a million men under arms (apparently) - there might be little factional fighting within the country if Un is assassinated, but who knows what the reaction of that army and their generals might be? Especially towards SK?
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Post by oldham on Sept 15, 2017 12:46:06 GMT
If the US and it's allies invade/flatten NK there will be massive loss of life in SK as well due to the fact that NKs missiles will retaliate there and get results they probably wouldn't have got going further afield.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Sept 15, 2017 13:07:14 GMT
The lack of religion in NK is the difference between Iraq and Libya. Less religious fundamentalist factional fighting should occur in NK Except that for many of the populace of NK, their leader is a god and their belief in the system is at least as fervent as any religion. They have a million men under arms (apparently) - there might be little factional fighting within the country if Un is assassinated, but who knows what the reaction of that army and their generals might be? Especially towards SK? They do, but they won't attract the external ideologues that Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc attracted.
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