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Post by grenobleroad on Aug 29, 2017 16:43:43 GMT
Exactly! I mean Payne looks great but he has 1 really good game and was "poor" on Saturday according to it ..never mind let's throw a couple of million that way. Poor on Saturday ? He was one of the best players, constantly looking to get us moving and trying to get the ball back when we lost it. Not even mentioning the fact that he was great in this league and did well in a team that was promoted from the championship. £2m on him is less of a risk than 200k on a l2 Swedish player if u ask me. (Not saying that we would get him for that) but if u don't ask u don't get No way they would except 2 million. Even if they did why would he accept a deal with us? He's contracted to a premier league club, probably on massive wages and if he was transfer listed there would be 10 or 15 clubs who would outbid us.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 29, 2017 16:48:21 GMT
Payne has been sent to us on loan to get experience and improve, not as some sort of precursor to a sale.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 16:48:55 GMT
Poor on Saturday ? He was one of the best players, constantly looking to get us moving and trying to get the ball back when we lost it. Not even mentioning the fact that he was great in this league and did well in a team that was promoted from the championship. £2m on him is less of a risk than 200k on a l2 Swedish player if u ask me. (Not saying that we would get him for that) but if u don't ask u don't get No way they would except 2 million. Even if they did why would he accept a deal with us? He's contracted to a premier league club, probably on massive wages and if he was transfer listed there would be 10 or 15 clubs who would outbid us. Again not really the point I was trying to make. If ur going to spend 200k on an unknown quantity. That the same scouting team identified hemmings and Hoban. Then spending £2m on someone who has been here done it, and has a proven record in this country isn't as much of a risk as it sounds. Ok the returns won't be as high unless that player has a bloody good season But also surely those 10/15 clubs would also have been in for him on loan, yet we got him 😉
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Post by grenobleroad on Aug 29, 2017 17:03:04 GMT
No way they would except 2 million. Even if they did why would he accept a deal with us? He's contracted to a premier league club, probably on massive wages and if he was transfer listed there would be 10 or 15 clubs who would outbid us. Again not really the point I was trying to make. If ur going to spend 200k on an unknown quantity. That the same scouting team identified hemmings and Hoban. Then spending £2m on someone who has been here done it, and has a proven record in this country isn't as much of a risk as it sounds. Ok the returns won't be as high unless that player has a bloody good season But also surely those 10/15 clubs would also have been in for him on loan, yet we got him 😉 No not really. £2 million is a massive risk for a league one team. Lets give you a example. We wouldn't be able to get Billie Sharp for £2 million, but he's an example of someone who's been and done it. We got him for £2 million and he's a flop. What a waste of the budget that would be. If we spend 200k its not as much of a risk for us at our level of finance. They do well, we sell on for a profit or if they do badly we could still claw back a good percentage of that fee. Henry is an example of someone who has been there and done it. Lets say we paid a million for him, think people would be happy after the first few games he has played? We have to be realistic about who we can attract and what we pay.
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Post by oxfordmitch on Aug 29, 2017 17:13:11 GMT
Again not really the point I was trying to make. If ur going to spend 200k on an unknown quantity. That the same scouting team identified hemmings and Hoban. Then spending £2m on someone who has been here done it, and has a proven record in this country isn't as much of a risk as it sounds. Ok the returns won't be as high unless that player has a bloody good season But also surely those 10/15 clubs would also have been in for him on loan, yet we got him 😉 No not really. £2 million is a massive risk for a league one team. Lets give you a example. We wouldn't be able to get Billie Sharp for £2 million, but he's an example of someone who's been and done it. We got him for £2 million and he's a flop. What a waste of the budget that would be. If we spend 200k its not as much of a risk for us at our level of finance. They do well, we sell on for a profit or if they do badly we could still claw back a good percentage of that fee. Henry is an example of someone who has been there and done it. Lets say we paid a million for him, think people would be happy after the first few games he has played? We have to be realistic about who we can attract and what we pay. Some good points put across Grenoble Road, but the amount of money being spent on one player should be higher than 200k IMO.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 17:27:20 GMT
Again not really the point I was trying to make. If ur going to spend 200k on an unknown quantity. That the same scouting team identified hemmings and Hoban. Then spending £2m on someone who has been here done it, and has a proven record in this country isn't as much of a risk as it sounds. Ok the returns won't be as high unless that player has a bloody good season But also surely those 10/15 clubs would also have been in for him on loan, yet we got him 😉 No not really. £2 million is a massive risk for a league one team. Lets give you a example. We wouldn't be able to get Billie Sharp for £2 million, but he's an example of someone who's been and done it. We got him for £2 million and he's a flop. What a waste of the budget that would be. If we spend 200k its not as much of a risk for us at our level of finance. They do well, we sell on for a profit or if they do badly we could still claw back a good percentage of that fee. Henry is an example of someone who has been there and done it. Lets say we paid a million for him, think people would be happy after the first few games he has played? We have to be realistic about who we can attract and what we pay. But how high a percentage is it that billy sharp would be a flop, very very low. Every transfer comes with a risk, we could sign messi for £500m and he break a leg in the first game and suffer an allergic reaction to the plastic fibres in the pitch on his return. Unless pep is a big fan of money ball and Jonah hill is running a computer program for our signings then there has to be players on our target list that with the sums we're told we have available we would be able to attract and would improve us. Look at Liam Lyndsey. Highly rated, would Definitely have improved us, they didn't want to sell. Went for £300k.
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Post by gingerox on Aug 29, 2017 17:50:58 GMT
No not really. £2 million is a massive risk for a league one team. Lets give you a example. We wouldn't be able to get Billie Sharp for £2 million, but he's an example of someone who's been and done it. We got him for £2 million and he's a flop. What a waste of the budget that would be. If we spend 200k its not as much of a risk for us at our level of finance. They do well, we sell on for a profit or if they do badly we could still claw back a good percentage of that fee. Henry is an example of someone who has been there and done it. Lets say we paid a million for him, think people would be happy after the first few games he has played? We have to be realistic about who we can attract and what we pay. But how high a percentage is it that billy shapes would be a flop, very very low. Every transfer comes with a risk, we could sign messi for £500m and he break a leg in the first game and suffer an allergic reaction to the plastic fibres in the pitch on his return. Unless pep is a big fan of money ball and Jonah hill is running a computer program for our signings then there has to be players on our target list that with the sums we're told we have available we would be able to attract and would improve us. Look at Liam Lyndsey. Highly rated, would Definitely have improved us, they didn't want to sell. Went for £300k. Barnsley fans seem very pleased with him, would have loved to have got him.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 29, 2017 17:56:01 GMT
No not really. £2 million is a massive risk for a league one team. Lets give you a example. We wouldn't be able to get Billie Sharp for £2 million, but he's an example of someone who's been and done it. We got him for £2 million and he's a flop. What a waste of the budget that would be. If we spend 200k its not as much of a risk for us at our level of finance. They do well, we sell on for a profit or if they do badly we could still claw back a good percentage of that fee. Henry is an example of someone who has been there and done it. Lets say we paid a million for him, think people would be happy after the first few games he has played? We have to be realistic about who we can attract and what we pay. But how high a percentage is it that billy shapes would be a flop, very very low. Every transfer comes with a risk, we could sign messi for £500m and he break a leg in the first game and suffer an allergic reaction to the plastic fibres in the pitch on his return. Unless pep is a big fan of money ball and Jonah hill is running a computer program for our signings then there has to be players on our target list that with the sums we're told we have available we would be able to attract and would improve us. Look at Liam Lyndsey. Highly rated, would Definitely have improved us, they didn't want to sell. Went for £300k. Harry Kewell, Joe Cole, Robbie Keane - all went to Liverpool at a time that they looked great deals. All were shit! You can add in Veron and a bundle more who have gone for silly money and have been crap! Reality is that there is no guarantees regardless of how much you spend!
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 18:05:55 GMT
But how high a percentage is it that billy shapes would be a flop, very very low. Every transfer comes with a risk, we could sign messi for £500m and he break a leg in the first game and suffer an allergic reaction to the plastic fibres in the pitch on his return. Unless pep is a big fan of money ball and Jonah hill is running a computer program for our signings then there has to be players on our target list that with the sums we're told we have available we would be able to attract and would improve us. Look at Liam Lyndsey. Highly rated, would Definitely have improved us, they didn't want to sell. Went for £300k. Harry Kewell, Joe Cole, Robbie Keane - all went to Liverpool at a time that they looked great deals. All were shit! You can add in Veron and a bundle more who have gone for silly money and have been crap! Reality is that there is no guarantees regardless of how much you spend! Totally. Given where we are at though, with what we are told is available. Would U sign say steve Morrison or this Swedish chap? If Johnson goes it shouldnt really matter anyway, as for 200k we should really be able to do both, a marquee signing and one with potential. I still there will be at least 2 in before the window shuts and mind games are being played with other clubs, not looking to add any! But still looking at this guy, playing ribs at centre back tonight(check if we really do need another in or not for cover) .if Johnson goes and no one comes in however I think will have gambled massively on players not getting injured, and with the records of some of them, and budget available there's no need to
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 29, 2017 18:13:41 GMT
Apparently Pep doesn't even know who this bloke is, never mind sign him!
(Source: RadOx - they asked him!)
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Post by mcf86 on Aug 29, 2017 18:22:37 GMT
Apparently Pep doesn't even know who this bloke is, never mind sign him! (Source: RadOx - they asked him!) Confirmation he's signing him then!
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 29, 2017 18:31:15 GMT
Apparently Pep doesn't even know who this bloke is, never mind sign him! (Source: RadOx - they asked him!) Confirmation he's signing him then! "Only the true Messiah denies he's the Messiah"
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Post by stokeu on Aug 29, 2017 19:05:15 GMT
I'm not the Messiah, I'm a very naughty boy
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 29, 2017 19:36:31 GMT
I'm not the Messiah, I'm a very naughty boy "You ARE the Messiah!"
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Post by taffyewe on Aug 29, 2017 20:36:44 GMT
Joe Ledley is still available..would be quality at this level.....wages could prove a problem though.
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Post by 1OUFC on Aug 29, 2017 20:59:47 GMT
Steve, where are the goals going to come from then? We need a striker. Great that Gino has 2 in 2, but apart from that, where are the goals? And it's foolish to rely on one player for so many goals. Thomas, Payne, Obika, Henry, Ruffels, Williamson, Nelson, Hall. Really? Thomas - injured, Obika/Henry - play off people, Williamson/Nelson - defenders, Hall - winger. If Pep insists on playing one up front, then we need a player that can do just that. We need a striker DE, spend the money you said was available.
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Post by hackneyjack on Aug 29, 2017 21:12:39 GMT
Steve, where are the goals going to come from then? We need a striker. Great that Gino has 2 in 2, but apart from that, where are the goals? And it's foolish to rely on one player for so many goals. Thomas, Payne, Obika, Henry, Ruffels, Williamson, Nelson, Hall. Thomas is not good enough. The rest will chip in for sure. But I'm not sure you quite understand the key word, I'll slow it down for you: s.... t.......... r .............i............ k....... e ..............................r....................
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 29, 2017 21:15:03 GMT
Thomas, Payne, Obika, Henry, Ruffels, Williamson, Nelson, Hall. Really? Thomas - injured, Obika/Henry - play off people, Williamson/Nelson - defenders, Hall - winger. If Pep insists on playing one up front, then we need a player that can do just that. We need a striker DE, spend the money you said was available. Thomas has scored 2 so far, Henry will get goals. Obika will get goals, Williamson and Nelson will chip in with a few from corners. Hall will score you goals as he loves to cut inside and have a shot. We can't just rely on 1 player to get all the games. Last year we scored just under 100 goals I think and our top scorer had around 15 goals I think it was. We play with a central score yet have 3 players playing just behind so over load the opposition's defence with using 4 attacking players.
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Post by eraser on Aug 29, 2017 21:29:43 GMT
Are we buying Swedes because FIFA stated games would be decided using ABBA this season? :-)
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Post by gingerox on Aug 29, 2017 21:34:07 GMT
Joe Ledley is still available..would be quality at this level.....wages could prove a problem though. Can't see him dropping down to our league + would rather see the money invested elsewhere (ST)
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Post by littlemore on Aug 29, 2017 21:38:23 GMT
I would offer Rickie Lambert a short term contract this could be explored once the window is shut as he is a free agent.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 29, 2017 21:50:22 GMT
Really? Thomas - injured, Obika/Henry - play off people, Williamson/Nelson - defenders, Hall - winger. If Pep insists on playing one up front, then we need a player that can do just that. We need a striker DE, spend the money you said was available. Thomas has scored 2 so far, Henry will get goals. Obika will get goals, Williamson and Nelson will chip in with a few from corners. Hall will score you goals as he loves to cut inside and have a shot. We can't just rely on 1 player to get all the games. Last year we scored just under 100 goals I think and our top scorer had around 15 goals I think it was. We play with a central score yet have 3 players playing just behind so over load the opposition's defence with using 4 attacking players. To prove your point, we've scored 15 goals in August with several players chipping in. The mythical 20 goal a season players are far less important these days with squad rotation and sharing goals throughout the team.
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Post by maggiesdad on Aug 30, 2017 5:39:22 GMT
I would offer Rickie Lambert a short term contract this could be explored once the window is shut as he is a free agent. I think that this is a really good shout. Great hold up play, better than decent finisher and most importantly of all, guile.
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 30, 2017 7:00:27 GMT
Thomas has scored 2 so far, Henry will get goals. Obika will get goals, Williamson and Nelson will chip in with a few from corners. Hall will score you goals as he loves to cut inside and have a shot. We can't just rely on 1 player to get all the games. Last year we scored just under 100 goals I think and our top scorer had around 15 goals I think it was. We play with a central score yet have 3 players playing just behind so over load the opposition's defence with using 4 attacking players. To prove your point, we've scored 15 goals in August with several players chipping in. The mythical 20 goal a season players are far less important these days with squad rotation and sharing goals throughout the team. Yes. To be honest, I don't think the reason we need a proper striker is to score goals (Though he would surely have to do that). It's because we are now at a level where if the opposition centre backs are able to bulky your centre forward (as happened against Shrewsbury and Scunthorpe) the rest of your attacking unit don't get much of a look in. Carlton Morris gave Williamson and Nelson a bit if a torrid time on Saturday. He held the ball up, ran channels, pressured clearances - just generally was a big mobile unit. That then have their ginger lad space to play between the lines because our rearguard was in retreat instead of pressing up on him. I guess it depends what your aims are. If you're content to be second best to clubs like shrews and scunny then no, we don't need a proper striker. If you are ambitious for oufc then yes, we do.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 30, 2017 7:42:03 GMT
To prove your point, we've scored 15 goals in August with several players chipping in. The mythical 20 goal a season players are far less important these days with squad rotation and sharing goals throughout the team. Yes. To be honest, I don't think the reason we need a proper striker is to score goals (Though he would surely have to do that). It's because we are now at a level where if the opposition centre backs are able to bulky your centre forward (as happened against Shrewsbury and Scunthorpe) the rest of your attacking unit don't get much of a look in. Carlton Morris gave Williamson and Nelson a bit if a torrid time on Saturday. He held the ball up, ran channels, pressured clearances - just generally was a big mobile unit. That then have their ginger lad space to play between the lines because our rearguard was in retreat instead of pressing up on him. I guess it depends what your aims are. If you're content to be second best to clubs like shrews and scunny then no, we don't need a proper striker. If you are ambitious for oufc then yes, we do. I thought that was what obika has done in the two games I've seen him play so far to be fair. Defenders can't handle him cos he's big but also quick
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Post by hackneyjack on Aug 30, 2017 7:50:56 GMT
Thomas has scored 2 so far, Henry will get goals. Obika will get goals, Williamson and Nelson will chip in with a few from corners. Hall will score you goals as he loves to cut inside and have a shot. We can't just rely on 1 player to get all the games. Last year we scored just under 100 goals I think and our top scorer had around 15 goals I think it was. We play with a central score yet have 3 players playing just behind so over load the opposition's defence with using 4 attacking players. To prove your point, we've scored 15 goals in August with several players chipping in. The mythical 20 goal a season players are far less important these days with squad rotation and sharing goals throughout the team. So you're including a less than meaningless competition in that tally? Wow. Fair point on the goals coming from elsewhere. But, I still maintain that we need that figure upfront, that presence to yes, score goals - but perhaps more importantly, to be a nightmare to play against and pull defenders in and make space for others to capitalise. And Thomas is neither, and I'm not sure we've someone else who can like Danny Hylton did. Beak will score, but he plays off a partner. My point is that in a striker yes the goals are important, but someone like Hytlon brings so much more, and can bring players in to things in a very dangerous way.
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Post by londonroader on Aug 30, 2017 8:19:54 GMT
To prove your point, we've scored 15 goals in August with several players chipping in. The mythical 20 goal a season players are far less important these days with squad rotation and sharing goals throughout the team. So you're including a less than meaningless competition in that tally? Wow. Fair point on the goals coming from elsewhere. But, I still maintain that we need that figure upfront, that presence to yes, score goals - but perhaps more importantly, to be a nightmare to play against and pull defenders in and make space for others to capitalise. And Thomas is neither, and I'm not sure we've someone else who can like Danny Hylton did. Beak will score, but he plays off a partner. My point is that in a striker yes the goals are important, but someone like Hytlon brings so much more, and can bring players in to things in a very dangerous way. One of the reasons Hylton was seen as surplus was his lack of team play and his lack of application of team tactics.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 30, 2017 9:00:58 GMT
To prove your point, we've scored 15 goals in August with several players chipping in. The mythical 20 goal a season players are far less important these days with squad rotation and sharing goals throughout the team. So you're including a less than meaningless competition in that tally? Wow. Fair point on the goals coming from elsewhere. But, I still maintain that we need that figure upfront, that presence to yes, score goals - but perhaps more importantly, to be a nightmare to play against and pull defenders in and make space for others to capitalise. And Thomas is neither, and I'm not sure we've someone else who can like Danny Hylton did. Beak will score, but he plays off a partner. My point is that in a striker yes the goals are important, but someone like Hytlon brings so much more, and can bring players in to things in a very dangerous way. The point about goals scored was in responce to one highlighting that we scored over 100 last season. Funnily enough, these were not all scored in highly important games. Obika does what you ask, so does Thomas to an extent. But these kind of players are not easily found, or get criticised for not scoring enough despite everything else they bring to the game.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 30, 2017 9:03:06 GMT
To prove your point, we've scored 15 goals in August with several players chipping in. The mythical 20 goal a season players are far less important these days with squad rotation and sharing goals throughout the team. Yes. To be honest, I don't think the reason we need a proper striker is to score goals (Though he would surely have to do that). It's because we are now at a level where if the opposition centre backs are able to bulky your centre forward (as happened against Shrewsbury and Scunthorpe) the rest of your attacking unit don't get much of a look in. Carlton Morris gave Williamson and Nelson a bit if a torrid time on Saturday. He held the ball up, ran channels, pressured clearances - just generally was a big mobile unit. That then have their ginger lad space to play between the lines because our rearguard was in retreat instead of pressing up on him. I guess it depends what your aims are. If you're content to be second best to clubs like shrews and scunny then no, we don't need a proper striker. If you are ambitious for oufc then yes, we do. I don't disagree and was simply making the point that goals alone are not necessarily an issue.
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Post by foley on Aug 30, 2017 10:38:02 GMT
So you're including a less than meaningless competition in that tally? Wow. Fair point on the goals coming from elsewhere. But, I still maintain that we need that figure upfront, that presence to yes, score goals - but perhaps more importantly, to be a nightmare to play against and pull defenders in and make space for others to capitalise. And Thomas is neither, and I'm not sure we've someone else who can like Danny Hylton did. Beak will score, but he plays off a partner. My point is that in a striker yes the goals are important, but someone like Hytlon brings so much more, and can bring players in to things in a very dangerous way. The point about goals scored was in responce to one highlighting that we scored over 100 last season. Funnily enough, these were not all scored in highly important games. Obika does what you ask, so does Thomas to an extent. But these kind of players are not easily found, or get criticised for not scoring enough despite everything else they bring to the game. From what I have seen Obika looks quick and strong, can hold up the ball and will score a few goals (could have scored against Oldham and Shrewsbury having come on as substitute, and has scored 2 in Cup competitions) I am a little surprised he has not started the league games as he looks to me to be the best player as a sole striker. Ryan Taylor tried to play that role but didn't score enough and was not strong enough in my view. Obika looks to be a level up.
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