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Post by arthurturner on Aug 29, 2017 11:47:03 GMT
We turn down £2 million for Marvin and go searching through the Swedish second division for new players? I was of the opinion that we had money to spend on players and ambitions for the Championship. Can anyone really see this lad being able to take on players the like of those who played for Shrewsbury? What about all the other teams who play big lads in defense and midfield? Toni Martinez is a better prospect and yet he struggled against League 1 sides. We play in a fairly physical league and players need to be able to hold up with the opposition. Obika has got that strength and size, Thomas has less but can just about manage, Van Kessel isn't experienced enough to cope hence why he looked better playing with Obika than on his own. When did we turn down £2m for Marvin? I thought the only actual bid we've had for him was £1m from Hull which we rejected.
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Post by manorlounger on Aug 29, 2017 11:55:35 GMT
We turn down £2 million for Marvin and go searching through the Swedish second division for new players? I was of the opinion that we had money to spend on players and ambitions for the Championship. Can anyone really see this lad being able to take on players the like of those who played for Shrewsbury? What about all the other teams who play big lads in defense and midfield? Toni Martinez is a better prospect and yet he struggled against League 1 sides. We play in a fairly physical league and players need to be able to hold up with the opposition. Obika has got that strength and size, Thomas has less but can just about manage, Van Kessel isn't experienced enough to cope hence why he looked better playing with Obika than on his own. When did we turn down £2m for Marvin? I thought the only actual bid we've had for him was £1m from Hull which we rejected. It has been reported that Middlesborough had an offer of £2 million turned down. The Sun
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Post by Yellow River on Aug 29, 2017 12:19:46 GMT
Of course, Scotchers, it should be pointed out that the hugely inflated transfer market works best for those clubs who are net sellers. In other words, it should benefit rather than dis-benefit us, right? We sell Marv for an inflated £2 million plus, and then reinvest an inflated £1 million. If Marv does go for £2 million - £1.5 million minimum for OUFC - then net transfer incomings for the summer will be approaching £4 million: the additional Roofe and COD money (rumoured £1.2 million); Sercombe (£175k); MAPP (rumoured £300k); Lundstram (£700k) = £2.4 million. Even if OUFC only get half the Marv money upfront then that would still be north of £3 million. Just saying. Exactly this. And while this lad may be one for the future. And the market may be high and late in the window. No one can seriously say that we can't get a star striker for £3m that should buy us a decent striker plus another at this level. If we're not spending it's not because we don't need more players or there are none left available. It's because we're spending the bare minimum and funds are being diverted for other use, be that writing off debt, investing in facilities or buying Darryl a new house I understand we're all invited to the house warming party, BBQ to be fired up for the occasion, hotdogs will be served.🙂
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 29, 2017 12:35:46 GMT
Of course, Scotchers, it should be pointed out that the hugely inflated transfer market works best for those clubs who are net sellers. In other words, it should benefit rather than dis-benefit us, right? We sell Marv for an inflated £2 million plus, and then reinvest an inflated £1 million. If Marv does go for £2 million - £1.5 million minimum for OUFC - then net transfer incomings for the summer will be approaching £4 million: the additional Roofe and COD money (rumoured £1.2 million); Sercombe (£175k); MAPP (rumoured £300k); Lundstram (£700k) = £2.4 million. Even if OUFC only get half the Marv money upfront then that would still be north of £3 million. Just saying. Exactly this. And while this lad may be one for the future. And the market may be high and late in the window. No one can seriously say that we can't get a star striker for £3m that should buy us a decent striker plus another at this level. If we're not spending it's not because we don't need more players or there are none left available. It's because we're spending the bare minimum and funds are being diverted for other use, be that writing off debt, investing in facilities or buying Darryl a new house Have you got some evidence to back up that last sentence? Also, where do you think the money comes from to invest in facilities for a Club like Oxford or are you expecting DE to stump that up as well?
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 12:39:44 GMT
Exactly this. And while this lad may be one for the future. And the market may be high and late in the window. No one can seriously say that we can't get a star striker for £3m that should buy us a decent striker plus another at this level. If we're not spending it's not because we don't need more players or there are none left available. It's because we're spending the bare minimum and funds are being diverted for other use, be that writing off debt, investing in facilities or buying Darryl a new house Have you got some evidence to back up that last sentence? Also, where do you think the money comes from to invest in facilities for a Club like Oxford or are you expecting DE to stump that up as well? Getting ur knickers a bit twisted again mate. The first two are legitimate possibilities, that no one would have a problem with if that was what's happening, it not what we've been told funds would be used for though , the 3rd is a tongue in cheek joke. You seem to have taken the wrong way, not ian mixter are u ? 😉
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 29, 2017 12:46:32 GMT
Of course the other one is the manager is learning about the players he has in the squad before looking to buy more.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 12:49:10 GMT
Of course the other one is the manager is learning about the players he has in the squad before looking to buy more. True, but I can't think of one manager ever that wouldn't have taken another player given the opportunity. Even if it meant replacing better than we have like with hemmings. And given that there are weaknesses like lack of pace and goals, and Arron martin , and that managers are judged on results, u think he would say na ur alright Darryl keep that £1-3m I might spend it in Jan
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 29, 2017 12:52:20 GMT
Absolutely, but as a fan base, we often chided Chippy for that mentality to signing players. While I'd like a third striker that can do the lone role up top, I can understand why we may not go for one.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 12:58:49 GMT
Absolutely, but as a fan base, we often chided Chippy for that mentality to signing players. While I'd like a third striker that can do the lone role up top, I can understand why we may not go for one. Think if we're serious then nows the time to try and find that player that could be the difference, less players tend to be available in Jan, and the price is normally higher as clubs tend to stick with what they have, like with dunks and lunny, we could have got more for them in Jan last season. I can just about see that we have enough now, if Johno goes we short in the pacey winger department. As was shown on sat when hall and Henry didn't do very well and the only option off the bench was rothwell
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 29, 2017 13:20:28 GMT
This is a good point, especially for those questioning the departure from our recent policy of bringing in unpolished diamonds. The higher you go up the pyramid, the harder it is to find promising youngsters at a price we'd be willing to pay. We have a massively inflated market which is filtering down to our level. As a result we are looking at young and untested, experienced older pro's (with increased risk of injury), or unknown foreigners. All of which face criticism from a fan base that wants to see millions spent on immediate success (if that could ever happen?) Bajrovic, if true, could be a great addition to the squad. He may not be the huge target man many want, but could feed off the likes of Payne and Thomas/Obika. Of course, Scotchers, it should be pointed out that the hugely inflated transfer market works best for those clubs who are net sellers. In other words, it should benefit rather than dis-benefit us, right? We sell Marv for an inflated £2 million plus, and then reinvest an inflated £1 million. If Marv does go for £2 million - £1.5 million minimum for OUFC - then net transfer incomings for the summer will be approaching £4 million: the additional Roofe and COD money (rumoured £1.2 million); Sercombe (£175k); MAPP (rumoured £300k); Lundstram (£700k) = £2.4 million. Even if OUFC only get half the Marv money upfront then that would still be north of £3 million. Just saying. Totally agree. But any business looking at selling on for a profit relies heavily on buying at the right price. At the moment, that is difficult in a generally crazy market. You are entirely right that we are making hay this season and last, and I would say that we have almost max'd out on all of our sales to date. That doesn't in itself mean that DE is conducting in a fire sale but taking advantage of the situation we find ourselves in. The difficulty is in repeating our recent model of buying in youngsters with huge potential. Teams are looking at fees for totally untried players, and even those not going for fees and demanding higher wages etc. It is where we are at, and as you say, we have benefited more than most. But just showing that the idea that we can invest huge sums on young players ready to improve on what we have, for fees that would allow us to cash-in in a year or two, is not as easy as some would hope.
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 29, 2017 13:42:14 GMT
Have you got some evidence to back up that last sentence? Also, where do you think the money comes from to invest in facilities for a Club like Oxford or are you expecting DE to stump that up as well? Getting ur knickers a bit twisted again mate. The first two are legitimate possibilities, that no one would have a problem with if that was what's happening, it not what we've been told funds would be used for though , the 3rd is a tongue in cheek joke. You seem to have taken the wrong way, not ian mixter are u ? 😉 Not at all. You made a statement that comes across as implying that DE is doing something wrong/off. And I'm sure some would complain if DE was paying off the debt.
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Post by oxfordmitch on Aug 29, 2017 13:42:19 GMT
Johnson is a proven winner/game changer at this level. If he goes (and I do believe it will be for a very good fee that no one will grumble at) then we need a proven player in. Proven means better than any current forward we have. It's late in the market, so a loan would suffice for me.
But not 200k on an unproven second tier swede.
That is not an improvement. It's also not ambition for the championship.
Nonetheless, I trust the manager or board to do something decent over the next 48 hours or so!
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 29, 2017 13:48:17 GMT
Johnson is a proven winner/game changer at this level. If he goes (and I do believe it will be for a very good fee that no one will grumble at) then we need a proven player in. Proven means better than any current forward we have. It's late in the market, so a loan would suffice for me. But not 200k on an unproven second tier swede. That is not an improvement. It's also not ambition for the championship. Nonetheless, I trust the manager or board to do something decent over the next 48 hours or so! Kemar Roofe was an unproven u21 League player with a few failed loans already and Johnson was hardly a proven player either.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 13:51:48 GMT
Getting ur knickers a bit twisted again mate. The first two are legitimate possibilities, that no one would have a problem with if that was what's happening, it not what we've been told funds would be used for though , the 3rd is a tongue in cheek joke. You seem to have taken the wrong way, not ian mixter are u ? 😉 Not at all. You made a statement that comes across as implying that DE is doing something wrong/off. And I'm sure some would complain if DE was paying off the debt. Not implying anything. I gave 3 examples of where the money could be going if it wasn't going on transfers. One was a joke. I would say the majority on here are not quite in agreement with pep that we have enough. I think our weaknesses have already stated to show, my point is we are told there is a war chest, we were told if Johno goes a big chunk of that will go back into the team, and we'd be pushing a top 6 budget. The next min we're told we're done in the loan market and not expecting any more as we're good. If we're not going to spend it, it would be nice to know why wouldn't u say? And what it will be used on, like I've said before I've seen chairmen say funds will be available in Jan if needed, I've never seen a manager say i don't need anyone else so I'm going to save the money (well maybe arsene wenger, but that ain't working to well)
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Post by Long John Silver on Aug 29, 2017 13:57:13 GMT
Johnson is a proven winner/game changer at this level. If he goes (and I do believe it will be for a very good fee that no one will grumble at) then we need a proven player in. Proven means better than any current forward we have. It's late in the market, so a loan would suffice for me. But not 200k on an unproven second tier swede. That is not an improvement. It's also not ambition for the championship. Nonetheless, I trust the manager or board to do something decent over the next 48 hours or so! Kemar Roofe was an unproven u21 League player with a few failed loans already and Johnson was hardly a proven player either. They were both gambles to an extent. It boils down to whether we want to spend a couple of hundred grand on one or two more gambles, and hope they work out, or whether we spend a substantial amount of the £3 million or so that we will have made this season, on proven English league players.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 29, 2017 14:11:24 GMT
Pep wont buy for the sake of buying and certainly wont pay over the odds for a player. He has said that there are no players available for the right price at the moment but that can always change.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 14:16:18 GMT
Pep wont buy for the sake of buying and certainly wont pay over the odds for a player. He has said that there are no players available for the right price at the moment but that can always change. Could always start with a phone call along the lines of- hi is that Huddersfield, so , jack Payne how does £2m sound? no, ok fair enough, hi is that wolves , Jordan graham £2m what u think ? 😉. I just don't buy that out of the hundreds of players out there none are available at a right price that will improve us.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 29, 2017 14:22:21 GMT
Pep wont buy for the sake of buying and certainly wont pay over the odds for a player. He has said that there are no players available for the right price at the moment but that can always change. Could always start with a phone call along the lines of- hi is that Huddersfield, so , jack Payne how does £2m sound? no, ok fair enough, hi is that wolves , Jordan graham £2m what u think ? 😉. I just don't buy that out of the hundreds of players out there none are available at a right price that will improve us. If Johnson is worth more than £2million then Graham and Payne are worth at a minimum £6million each.
I'm not sure why some fans are so keen to just throw money at transfers all of a sudden. The clubs ingoings and outgoings are probably the best they have been since I have been a fan so I am more than happy if the club don't want to spend stupid money on transfer fees. Especially when we have done so well in picking up bargains in the past few years.
Christ if fans want to spend the clubs money that badly we may as well just pay the 900 odd thousand to Slavia Praque for Gino now.
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 29, 2017 14:26:55 GMT
Not at all. You made a statement that comes across as implying that DE is doing something wrong/off. And I'm sure some would complain if DE was paying off the debt. Not implying anything. I have 3 examples of where the money could be going if it wasn't going on transfers. I would say the majority on here are not quite in agreement with pep that we have enough. I think our weaknesses have already stated to show, my point is we are told the is a war chest, we were told if Johno goes a big chunk of that will go back into the team, and we'd be pushing a top 6 budget. The next min we're told we're done in the loan market and not expecting any more as we're good. If we're not going to spend it, it would be nice to know why wouldn't u say? And what it will be used on, like I've said before I've seen chairmen say funds will be available in Jan if needed, I've never seen a manager say i don't need anyone else so I'm going to save the money (well maybe arsene wenger, but that ain't working to well) Just maybe transfer funds are available and Pep hasn't found the player he wants for the right value. Remember, if Gino does well we have agreed a very significant fee for us.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 14:33:20 GMT
Not implying anything. I have 3 examples of where the money could be going if it wasn't going on transfers. I would say the majority on here are not quite in agreement with pep that we have enough. I think our weaknesses have already stated to show, my point is we are told the is a war chest, we were told if Johno goes a big chunk of that will go back into the team, and we'd be pushing a top 6 budget. The next min we're told we're done in the loan market and not expecting any more as we're good. If we're not going to spend it, it would be nice to know why wouldn't u say? And what it will be used on, like I've said before I've seen chairmen say funds will be available in Jan if needed, I've never seen a manager say i don't need anyone else so I'm going to save the money (well maybe arsene wenger, but that ain't working to well) Just maybe transfer funds are available and Pep hasn't found the player he wants for the right value. Remember, if Gino does well we have agreed a very significant fee for us. Totally possible, could all be big mind games, we're not interested in others, business done. Then whack in a big offer last min that is to good for another club another to refuse, or other clubs (in talking to u Barnsley) to beat us to the signature. That would show a sign of intent. As we've already let a few go out on loan, and don't have great cover for all positions, not bringing in a replacement for Johno would cost us. Let alone a proven striker. Which again may also not be needed as obika has looked good in that role for me, but a more prolific person to play left or right of him
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Post by oxfordmitch on Aug 29, 2017 14:39:43 GMT
Johnson is a proven winner/game changer at this level. If he goes (and I do believe it will be for a very good fee that no one will grumble at) then we need a proven player in. Proven means better than any current forward we have. It's late in the market, so a loan would suffice for me. But not 200k on an unproven second tier swede. That is not an improvement. It's also not ambition for the championship. Nonetheless, I trust the manager or board to do something decent over the next 48 hours or so! Kemar Roofe was an unproven u21 League player with a few failed loans already and Johnson was hardly a proven player either. You are quite right but the club is in a lot different place to back then. Now we are selling good players for good prices, I just want to see a bit invested in more proven players. I understand plenty of the money needs to go elsewhere in the club but some does need to go on pitch progression.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 29, 2017 15:16:29 GMT
Not at all. You made a statement that comes across as implying that DE is doing something wrong/off. And I'm sure some would complain if DE was paying off the debt. Not implying anything. I gave 3 examples of where the money could be going if it wasn't going on transfers. One was a joke. I would say the majority on here are not quite in agreement with pep that we have enough. I think our weaknesses have already stated to show, my point is we are told there is a war chest, we were told if Johno goes a big chunk of that will go back into the team, and we'd be pushing a top 6 budget. The next min we're told we're done in the loan market and not expecting any more as we're good. If we're not going to spend it, it would be nice to know why wouldn't u say? And what it will be used on, like I've said before I've seen chairmen say funds will be available in Jan if needed, I've never seen a manager say i don't need anyone else so I'm going to save the money (well maybe arsene wenger, but that ain't working to well) I get the points being made on all sides but I think we are taking things being said a bit too litetally. Pep said that he is happy with what he has and would be looking to bring anyone else in, but we've also gone on record several times to say MJ isn't for sale. The reality is that everyone has their price and MJ is not going for £1m but anything around £3m will see him gone. If he stays, we're probably done, but I wouldn't be surprised to see business done pretty quickly on a replacement if/when a deal goes through. Most of our deals in recent years have come out of the blue, so no news or rumours mean little - especially during silly season! Having said that, DE may well be planning the biggest hotdog giveaway ever seen and is planning to p*ss the whole lot away!! Either way, it's still exciting to actually be involved at this time of the season rather than a few years ago when we couldn't give our players away and was looking in bargain bins and car boot sales for our next star player!!!
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Post by socrates on Aug 29, 2017 15:25:25 GMT
Have said before...it doesn't bother me if we do not spend money
What bothers me is the smokescreen that we are a club who are going for it. It's not true.
I could be persuaded to the notion that we are spending bad money, though. It is plausible that we have been stung by canny agents knowing we are desperate for players at the 11th hour.
To that end, 200k for a Swedish Div 2 striker with a year on his contract? Talk about inflated fees
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Post by m on Aug 29, 2017 15:44:58 GMT
Johnson is a proven winner/game changer at this level. If he goes (and I do believe it will be for a very good fee that no one will grumble at) then we need a proven player in. Proven means better than any current forward we have. It's late in the market, so a loan would suffice for me. But not 200k on an unproven second tier swede. That is not an improvement. It's also not ambition for the championship. Nonetheless, I trust the manager or board to do something decent over the next 48 hours or so! Proven players like James Henry? The chap I keep reading is not good enough?
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 15:47:20 GMT
How ever u look at it, it's going to confuse nick Harris having Asmir Begović and Ronaldinho in the same side
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Post by osleroad on Aug 29, 2017 15:52:46 GMT
Could always start with a phone call along the lines of- hi is that Huddersfield, so , jack Payne how does £2m sound? no, ok fair enough, hi is that wolves , Jordan graham £2m what u think ? 😉. I just don't buy that out of the hundreds of players out there none are available at a right price that will improve us. If Johnson is worth more than £2million then Graham and Payne are worth at a minimum £6million each.
I'm not sure why some fans are so keen to just throw money at transfers all of a sudden. The clubs ingoings and outgoings are probably the best they have been since I have been a fan so I am more than happy if the club don't want to spend stupid money on transfer fees. Especially when we have done so well in picking up bargains in the past few years.
Christ if fans want to spend the clubs money that badly we may as well just pay the 900 odd thousand to Slavia Praque for Gino now.
Exactly! I mean Payne looks great but he has 1 really good game and was "poor" on Saturday according to it ..never mind let's throw a couple of million that way.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 29, 2017 16:01:59 GMT
If Johnson is worth more than £2million then Graham and Payne are worth at a minimum £6million each.
I'm not sure why some fans are so keen to just throw money at transfers all of a sudden. The clubs ingoings and outgoings are probably the best they have been since I have been a fan so I am more than happy if the club don't want to spend stupid money on transfer fees. Especially when we have done so well in picking up bargains in the past few years.
Christ if fans want to spend the clubs money that badly we may as well just pay the 900 odd thousand to Slavia Praque for Gino now.
Exactly! I mean Payne looks great but he has 1 really good game and was "poor" on Saturday according to it ..never mind let's throw a couple of million that way. Poor on Saturday ? He was one of the best players, constantly looking to get us moving and trying to get the ball back when we lost it. Not even mentioning the fact that he was great in this league and did well in a team that was promoted from the championship. £2m on him is less of a risk than 200k on a l2 Swedish player if u ask me. (Not saying that we would get him for that) but if u don't ask u don't get
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Post by hackneyjack on Aug 29, 2017 16:36:12 GMT
Could always start with a phone call along the lines of- hi is that Huddersfield, so , jack Payne how does £2m sound? no, ok fair enough, hi is that wolves , Jordan graham £2m what u think ? 😉. I just don't buy that out of the hundreds of players out there none are available at a right price that will improve us. If Johnson is worth more than £2million then Graham and Payne are worth at a minimum £6million each.
I'm not sure why some fans are so keen to just throw money at transfers all of a sudden. The clubs ingoings and outgoings are probably the best they have been since I have been a fan so I am more than happy if the club don't want to spend stupid money on transfer fees. Especially when we have done so well in picking up bargains in the past few years.
Christ if fans want to spend the clubs money that badly we may as well just pay the 900 odd thousand to Slavia Praque for Gino now.
Steve, where are the goals going to come from then? We need a striker. Great that Gino has 2 in 2, but apart from that, where are the goals? And it's foolish to rely on one player for so many goals.
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Post by littlemore on Aug 29, 2017 16:40:15 GMT
If Johnson is worth more than £2million then Graham and Payne are worth at a minimum £6million each.
I'm not sure why some fans are so keen to just throw money at transfers all of a sudden. The clubs ingoings and outgoings are probably the best they have been since I have been a fan so I am more than happy if the club don't want to spend stupid money on transfer fees. Especially when we have done so well in picking up bargains in the past few years.
Christ if fans want to spend the clubs money that badly we may as well just pay the 900 odd thousand to Slavia Praque for Gino now.
Steve, where are the goals going to come from then? We need a striker. Great that Gino has 2 in 2, but apart from that, where are the goals? And it's foolish to rely on one player for so many goals. 2 in 3.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 29, 2017 16:42:59 GMT
If Johnson is worth more than £2million then Graham and Payne are worth at a minimum £6million each.
I'm not sure why some fans are so keen to just throw money at transfers all of a sudden. The clubs ingoings and outgoings are probably the best they have been since I have been a fan so I am more than happy if the club don't want to spend stupid money on transfer fees. Especially when we have done so well in picking up bargains in the past few years.
Christ if fans want to spend the clubs money that badly we may as well just pay the 900 odd thousand to Slavia Praque for Gino now.
Steve, where are the goals going to come from then? We need a striker. Great that Gino has 2 in 2, but apart from that, where are the goals? And it's foolish to rely on one player for so many goals. Thomas, Payne, Obika, Henry, Ruffels, Williamson, Nelson, Hall.
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