|
Post by foghorn on Oct 1, 2017 9:16:08 GMT
I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself.
|
|
|
Post by Yellow River on Oct 1, 2017 9:17:39 GMT
Apparently that is the ex reading owner with the really long name Sumrith Thanakarnjanasuth So what do we actually know about him and his business colleagues? Does anyone know if their involvement in OUFC would be good or bad news?
|
|
|
Post by oufcyellows on Oct 1, 2017 9:37:00 GMT
He resigned as reading director at the end of August and has been at every Oufc game since. Would just be a front man in my view.
|
|
|
Post by williammuir (banned) on Oct 1, 2017 9:39:26 GMT
yes but unless kASSam doesn't want to sell the stadium its very unlikely we'll be taken over. just like when sartori or whatever that foreigner was called we need to keep British clubs `British owned just my opinion
|
|
|
Post by kahunaburger on Oct 1, 2017 10:18:18 GMT
yes but unless kASSam doesn't want to sell the stadium its very unlikely we'll be taken over. just like when sartori or whatever that foreigner was called we need to keep British clubs `British owned just my opinion You mad socialist lefty. We should restrict it to English owners or better still to anyone who hasn't set foot outside of Oxfordshire.
|
|
|
Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 1, 2017 12:26:03 GMT
The problem is they ran out of money at Reading, so it's hardly a ringing endorsement of their long term prospects. Plus its a club playing in a ground they don't own paying extortionate rent. Doesn't feel at the moment that it will end up in anything but tears.
|
|
|
Post by oufcyellows on Oct 1, 2017 12:29:48 GMT
The problem is they ran out of money at Reading, so it's hardly a ringing endorsement of their long term prospects. Plus its a club playing in a ground they don't own paying extortionate rent. Doesn't feel at the moment that it will end up in anything but tears. But he was only a small part of the reading deal, from what I can see he wasn’t even the money man in that group. If he’s now fronting a group from the owners of carabao that’s a whole different thing. They didn’t run out of money at reading just said they couldn’t find a further push, much like Darryl has said here. If they came in took us to the championship playoffs, and then sold to an even richer group as they have at reading what’s the difference in that to what Darryl has done? Taken us from where they find us, to the point their funding isn’t enough to go further
|
|
|
Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 1, 2017 12:39:01 GMT
The problem is they ran out of money at Reading, so it's hardly a ringing endorsement of their long term prospects. Plus its a club playing in a ground they don't own paying extortionate rent. Doesn't feel at the moment that it will end up in anything but tears. But he was only a small part of the reading deal, from what I can see he wasn’t even the money man in that group. If he’s now fronting a group from the owners of carabao that’s a whole different thing. They didn’t run out of money at reading just said they couldn’t find a further push, much like Darryl has said here. If they came in took us to the championship playoffs, and then sold to an even richer group as they have at reading what’s the difference in that to what Darryl has done? Taken us from where they find us, to the point their funding isn’t enough to go further They did because they couldn't afford to take it on as it was too much money - they had the cash to maintain not to take on. The article posted yesterday made it clear they found it more expensive than they thought when they got involcved. Why would he not invest more in Reading, who are setup for a premier league tilt, or us, who are years away?
|
|
|
Post by oufcyellows on Oct 1, 2017 12:45:22 GMT
But he was only a small part of the reading deal, from what I can see he wasn’t even the money man in that group. If he’s now fronting a group from the owners of carabao that’s a whole different thing. They didn’t run out of money at reading just said they couldn’t find a further push, much like Darryl has said here. If they came in took us to the championship playoffs, and then sold to an even richer group as they have at reading what’s the difference in that to what Darryl has done? Taken us from where they find us, to the point their funding isn’t enough to go further They did because they couldn't afford to take it on as it was too much money - they had the cash to maintain not to take on. The article posted yesterday made it clear they found it more expensive than they thought when they got involcved. Why would he not invest more in Reading, who are setup for a premier league tilt, or us, who are years away? Darryl has the money to maintain not take on. They have just sold reading and have the development land. But as I said I don’t think he was the money behind that group, nor will he be here. The rest of his group are still 25% stakeholder in reading after selling to the Chinese. It’s only him that’s stepped down as a director. I think he will front a totally separate group with different (richer backers) but that’s just my take on it
|
|
|
Post by 1OUFC on Oct 1, 2017 16:50:56 GMT
yes but unless kASSam doesn't want to sell the stadium its very unlikely we'll be taken over. just like when sartori or whatever that foreigner was called we need to keep British clubs `British owned just my opinion I believe Sartori had spoken to Kassam about the ground. Eales, who got referred to as Pinocchio yesterday, was the reason the deal didn't go ahead.
|
|
|
Post by derbyyellow on Oct 1, 2017 16:58:07 GMT
How can a rumour be an exclusive? if you’re the first to report it I suppose Is yellowhammer actually the chap behind OxBible Seem awfully keen to "back up" the OxBible twitter account as well as sniffing about for information on here and seemingly referring to the OxBible account a lot.
|
|
|
Post by yellowhammer on Oct 1, 2017 17:54:05 GMT
if you’re the first to report it I suppose Is yellowhammer actually the chap behind OxBible Seem awfully keen to "back up" the OxBible twitter account as well as sniffing about for information on here and seemingly referring to the OxBible account a lot. no I’m literally just making a point. News outlets run stories as ‘exclusives’ so why can’t he?
|
|
|
Post by derbyyellow on Oct 1, 2017 17:55:51 GMT
Is yellowhammer actually the chap behind OxBible Seem awfully keen to "back up" the OxBible twitter account as well as sniffing about for information on here and seemingly referring to the OxBible account a lot. no I’m literally just making a point. News outlets run stories as ‘exclusives’ so why can’t he? So yes you are then
|
|
|
Post by Barts on Oct 1, 2017 17:56:37 GMT
if you’re the first to report it I suppose Is yellowhammer actually the chap behind OxBible Seem awfully keen to "back up" the OxBible twitter account as well as sniffing about for information on here and seemingly referring to the OxBible account a lot. Agreed, mainly posts about rumours. It's a shame he felt the need to change his username. He's harmless enough, just a young lad trying too make a name for himself by tweeting/posting rumours he's heard on line.
|
|
|
Post by charliesghost on Oct 4, 2017 8:58:14 GMT
But he was only a small part of the reading deal, from what I can see he wasn’t even the money man in that group. If he’s now fronting a group from the owners of carabao that’s a whole different thing. They didn’t run out of money at reading just said they couldn’t find a further push, much like Darryl has said here. If they came in took us to the championship playoffs, and then sold to an even richer group as they have at reading what’s the difference in that to what Darryl has done? Taken us from where they find us, to the point their funding isn’t enough to go further They did because they couldn't afford to take it on as it was too much money - they had the cash to maintain not to take on. The article posted yesterday made it clear they found it more expensive than they thought when they got involcved. Why would he not invest more in Reading, who are setup for a premier league tilt, or us, who are years away? As I understand it from local friends who support Reading, the three Thais didn't have the cash to do anything. They just asset-stripped both the stadium itself and the adjacent development which had been granted to reading fc to help with long-term revenues and used that cash to pay for running the club in the short term. Once they had completed both of those manoeuvres they were out of there pronto. Whilst it's vaguely amusing to watch one of our rivals get comprehensively stitched up, it was a disastrous ownership. Fortunately for Reading, their new Chinese owners have had the financial wherewithal to buy the stadium back, because the club was having to pay 1 million plus a year to carry on playing in it. It's all a bit eery, given our recent history!
|
|
|
Post by ox4eva on Oct 4, 2017 9:13:13 GMT
They did because they couldn't afford to take it on as it was too much money - they had the cash to maintain not to take on. The article posted yesterday made it clear they found it more expensive than they thought when they got involcved. Why would he not invest more in Reading, who are setup for a premier league tilt, or us, who are years away? As I understand it from local friends who support Reading, the three Thais didn't have the cash to do anything. They just asset-stripped both the stadium itself and the adjacent development which had been granted to reading fc to help with long-term revenues and used that cash to pay for running the club in the short term. Once they had completed both of those manoeuvres they were out of there pronto. Whilst it's vaguely amusing to watch one of our rivals get comprehensively stitched up, it was a disastrous ownership. Fortunately for Reading, their new Chinese owners have had the financial wherewithal to buy the stadium back, because the club was having to pay 1 million plus a year to carry on playing in it. It's all a bit eery, given our recent history! Shame they never finished the job there! DE has said he wants inward investment to take the club forward and that is still the way forward in my humble opinion. As always the owner of the stadium is the problem and until that is resolved I really cannot see anything happening in regards to club ownership.
|
|
|
Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 4, 2017 9:16:14 GMT
As I understand it from local friends who support Reading, the three Thais didn't have the cash to do anything. They just asset-stripped both the stadium itself and the adjacent development which had been granted to reading fc to help with long-term revenues and used that cash to pay for running the club in the short term. That's very interesting information. Obviously does not bode well for OUFC should these people get involved. Mr Eales wouldn't sell to them knowing this history, surely? After all, it couldn't possibly be in the best interests of the club.
|
|
|
Post by Paul Cannell on Oct 4, 2017 9:32:45 GMT
What assets will they strip here? Nelson? Ledson? After that?
|
|
|
Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 4, 2017 9:35:07 GMT
What assets will they strip here? Nelson? Ledson? After that? The fan base. 6,000 serfs shipped off to the paddy fields of south east Asia. And don't imagine it won't happen.
|
|
|
Post by holdsteady on Oct 4, 2017 9:35:46 GMT
I got told by someone who should know yesterday that the deal with Eales keeping his 20% but selling the rest to fizzy drink Thai bloke is definitely happening and should be finalised shortly, the fella who told me only ever lets me have gossip when it's nearly all sorted out normally.
|
|
|
Post by charliesghost on Oct 4, 2017 9:49:05 GMT
What assets will they strip here? Nelson? Ledson? After that? There's nothing to strip. They were just terrible owners - that's my point. Apparently this guy Tiger was in and out of the training ground all the time, telling the manager who to pick and the staff were seriously fed up. Anyhow, I'm sure they aren't coming here. The fact that the chap was pictured with David Jones is hardly proof positive that they are taking over. Given his day job he is bound to have lots of contacts in and around the game.
|
|
|
Post by mcf86 on Oct 4, 2017 9:53:49 GMT
Hope the stadium purchase is also ''sorted out'' too, otherwise waste-of-time.
|
|
|
Post by eighteen93 on Oct 4, 2017 10:07:25 GMT
Hope the stadium purchase is also ''sorted out'' too, otherwise waste-of-time. Don't mention zee stadion.
|
|
|
Post by Yellow River on Oct 4, 2017 10:08:00 GMT
They did because they couldn't afford to take it on as it was too much money - they had the cash to maintain not to take on. The article posted yesterday made it clear they found it more expensive than they thought when they got involcved. Why would he not invest more in Reading, who are setup for a premier league tilt, or us, who are years away? As I understand it from local friends who support Reading, the three Thais didn't have the cash to do anything. They just asset-stripped both the stadium itself and the adjacent development which had been granted to reading fc to help with long-term revenues and used that cash to pay for running the club in the short term. Once they had completed both of those manoeuvres they were out of there pronto. Whilst it's vaguely amusing to watch one of our rivals get comprehensively stitched up, it was a disastrous ownership. Fortunately for Reading, their new Chinese owners have had the financial wherewithal to buy the stadium back, because the club was having to pay 1 million plus a year to carry on playing in it. It's all a bit eery, given our recent history! Sounds worrying, do we really want these people involved in our football club? Don't think I'll be rushing to have my photo taken with them as if they are some sort financial saviour, unlike some of our fans at Peterborough apparently.
|
|
|
Post by oxfordyankee on Oct 4, 2017 10:45:44 GMT
Front men and investors, two different groups altogether.
My understanding is that 'Tiger' was/is pretty popular with Reading fans. The other Thai investors, not so much.
As pointed out above, there are no more assets, bar a couple of players. Anyone investing in us now is doing so for other reasons.
If Carabao are the money behind it, a move to rival the positive links that Red Bull (their main competitor) have made in sport etc. could be the reason for their interest. Oxford, as a city and brand, is attractive; it comes with many positive associations for a global audience and a football club could serve as the ultimate representation of those associations.
Lots of ifs and buts, however, I think we should wait and see what happens before we sentence anyone.
|
|
|
Post by charliesghost on Oct 4, 2017 10:59:20 GMT
Front men and investors, two different groups altogether. My understanding is that 'Tiger' was/is pretty popular with Reading fans. The other Thai investors, not so much. As pointed out above, there are no more assets, bar a couple of players. Anyone investing in us now is doing so for other reasons. If Carabao are the money behind it, a move to rival the positive links that Red Bull (their main competitor) have made in sport etc. could be the reason for their interest. Oxford, as a city and brand, is attractive; it comes with many positive associations for a global audience and a football club could serve as the ultimate representation of those associations. Lots of ifs and buts, however, I think we should wait and see what happens before we sentence anyone. Well, that's just not true, is it? We can pronounce judgement on a stewardship of another club without knowing anything about whether they are involved with OUFC or not (as I have posted elsewhere, we have no evidence to suggest that this Tiger is involved with OUFC). Tan at Cardiff behaved like a total nightmare. There, see. I have "sentenced" someone without "waiting and seeing". Alam's idea of changing Hull City's name was bonkers. Again, I have sentenced someone without waiting and seeing. And I would say that asset-stripping a stadium from its club, and making that club pay over a million quid's interest/ rent a year to play in something that it owned before you took over is really crappy, risky and un-strategic. Surely we don't need to "wait and see" before condemning that. It's actually worse than what Kassam did. At least he actually paid money to build Grenoble Road, and took on the risk of the whole bankrupted OUFC that was in the shit before he came in. These guys inherited a club that was in the happy situation of owning its own excellent stadium and had been granted extensive planning on their equivalent of the overflow car-park. They then whinged that they couldn't afford to run it properly whilst quietly pocketing £25 million plus from siphoning off its assets. I'm sorry, but that is crappy, however long you want to 'wait and see'. Again, and to repeat, there is no evidence anywhere that Tiger is taking over. All that I have seen is a picture of David Jones with his arm around the guy. There are are any number of reasons why that might be the case. I was just reacting to the idea, posited earlier in this thread, that it would be great if he poured all his millions into OUFC. If that really WERE to be the case then we would be better off going the whole hog and just asking FK to come back. But I guess we'd better wait and see before we sentence Firoz to any criticism.
|
|
|
Post by manorlounger on Oct 4, 2017 11:03:10 GMT
What assets will they strip here? Nelson? Ledson? After that? Mrs Manorlounger was getting quite excited about stripping Nelson and Ledson until I explained the asset thing. . . . .
|
|
|
Post by oxfordyankee on Oct 4, 2017 11:07:21 GMT
Blimey, Charlie. Why take things so personally?
I wasn't blaming you for anything. My point is that none of us know if 'Tiger' is involved with OUFC, all I am doing is speculating why he might be. No sane person would claim that the behaviour of other owners at the clubs you mention is anything but repugnant and dismissive of the best interests of anything/anyone other than themselves.
That doesn't mean that future investments by organisations or individuals should be tarred with the same brush, at least until we know more.
|
|
|
Post by charliesghost on Oct 4, 2017 11:22:43 GMT
Blimey, Charlie. Why take things so personally? I wasn't blaming you for anything. My point is that none of us know if 'Tiger' is involved with OUFC, all I am doing is speculating why he might be. No sane person would claim that the behaviour of other owners at the clubs you mention is anything but repugnant and dismissive of the best interests of anything/anyone other than themselves. That doesn't mean that future investments by organisations or individuals should be tarred with the same brush, at least until we know more. I'm not taking anything personally!! I'm just saying that the Thai group at Reading absolutely SHOULD be tarred with the same brush as Tan, Kassam and Alam. What more do you want to know before tarring Tiger and his chums with that brush? Doesn't have anything to do with OUFC, or with the future intentions of Tiger, Tan and Alam. We should be able to make an objective judgement on all these people without knowing anything about their future investments. If Firoz popped up again tomorrow with an "involvement " in OUFC, I'd bet that we would "wait and see" before tarring him with the brush!
|
|
|
Post by oxfordyankee on Oct 4, 2017 12:03:17 GMT
Blimey, Charlie. Why take things so personally? I wasn't blaming you for anything. My point is that none of us know if 'Tiger' is involved with OUFC, all I am doing is speculating why he might be. No sane person would claim that the behaviour of other owners at the clubs you mention is anything but repugnant and dismissive of the best interests of anything/anyone other than themselves. That doesn't mean that future investments by organisations or individuals should be tarred with the same brush, at least until we know more. I'm not taking anything personally!! I'm just saying that the Thai group at Reading absolutely SHOULD be tarred with the same brush as Tan, Kassam and Alam. What more do you want to know before tarring Tiger and his chums with that brush? Doesn't have anything to do with OUFC, or with the future intentions of Tiger, Tan and Alam. We should be able to make an objective judgement on all these people without knowing anything about their future investments. If Firoz popped up again tomorrow with an "involvement " in OUFC, I'd bet that we would "wait and see" before tarring him with the brush! No, we wouldn't. If it was Kassam plus a new party, which had no previous with us (or anyone like us), I might at least listen to what they had to say, despite my distrust of Kassam. Many tarred DE with the same brush as Ashton's. His 'devil incarnate' tag from his Watford days was lauded with gay abandon as the reason that we shouldn't trust the 'Brummie Mafia'. Yet it was Ashton who did the best work and set us on course for two spectacular years. We should be wary. We should be cynical. We should also be prepared to be convinced, should any potential offer appear to be logical and with mitigated risk to OUFC.
|
|