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Post by sheikdjibouti on Aug 15, 2017 9:33:07 GMT
One thing about this, everyone saying 'it's fine we have GVK' is perhaps being a bit presumptuous. He's played once for less than 20 minutes, I don't think we can guarantee that he's the replacement for one of the most talented players in our squad (no his day) just yet. I've never been bowled over my Johnson but I appreciate that he has moments that can change games, which is what you're paying your money for as a L1 club. I think a disinterested and jaded Johnson, which he would be if we rejected this request, would realistically be no good to anyone. I say sell and reinvest in at least another pacy winger. Spot on with your comments on GVK. Agreed. In fact didn't GVK say in his post match interview that he felt it in his legs after his brief (albeit important) cameo? If he is feeling it after 15 minutes then I think we are going to have a pretty long wait for him to step into the boots of Johnson!!
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Post by dubaiyellow on Aug 15, 2017 9:53:39 GMT
Ive got no problem with any player who wants out for more money or to play at a higher level, what annoys me is when it shows through their performances on the pitch. When players stop trying its just totally disrespectful to the club and fans. And if that is the case, and only they will know, shame on them for being that kind of person.
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 15, 2017 10:05:26 GMT
Well, COD went for £1.6 a year ago, and that was straight out of League 2, so the market doesn't agree with you. At the age of 21, he made 34 appearances for Bristol City last season, of which - from memory - 12 were starts. So it is a (not uncharacteristic) lie to say that he couldn't "get off the bench". Indeed, this season he has actually quite literally come off the bench for 20 minutes in both games and Bristol City are mid-table, having spent huge money during the summer. This for a guy who 15 months ago was told he wasn't good enough to start games in League 2! At 5 years younger than Marvin, and already playing at a higher level than Marvin has ever played before, I think that it is a fairly safe prediction to say that he is likely to enjoy a more successful career than MJ. Not that that is really a criticism of MJ. Some of our more primitive fans seem not to understand how competitive the Championship is. These clubs have squads of 30 plus full professionals. Even getting ONTO the bench is tough work, and well-paid tough work too. If you were to sample 20 professionals and ask if they would rather be coming off the bench in the Championship or starting in League 1, you'd get 18 or 19 hands shooting up to volunteer for the Championship. cf John Lundstram. For somebody who is so precious about having his integrity questioned, you seem very happy to dish out insults yourself. Typical behaviour. Worst kind of people, happy to dish it out, but off crying to mummy and daddy when you get it back. I have a skin as thick as a rhino. Being a national newspaper columnist for 10 years tends to do that for one. Honestly, when one has had Alastair Campbell, multiple times, screaming abuse down a phone, threatening career termination in direct and very specific terms, what some cowardly pseudonymous nobody on here writes about me is unlikely to keep me up at night. At least I have the self-confidence to dish it out and take it in person, as opposed to snivelling behind a fake name. Now that really is the worst kind of person (if a troll is a person...) But not being emotionally affected by it does not mean that I will not push back against some of the crap that you write. There is so much of it that I have to operate a "three strikes" policy. Let you get away with one or two divisive barbs. And then push back, just to remind you that from time to time you will get called on stuff.
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Post by Young Money on Aug 15, 2017 10:12:46 GMT
So that would be the COD that can't get off the bench for a poor championship team and acted disgracefully to engineer his move. MJ is better than COD. £1.5m to £2m is fair To be fair, you can't just say COD 'cant get off the bench' and expect no-one to challenge it, when it's patently not true. He played plenty last season. Love him or hate him, at least get simple provable facts right.
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Post by RCYellowRC on Aug 15, 2017 10:18:42 GMT
Interesting, if true where has this all come from?
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Post by brassmonkey on Aug 15, 2017 10:26:53 GMT
Johnson's agent stirring things up.
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Post by radicalox on Aug 15, 2017 10:31:17 GMT
I don't think the original sky story actually said he handed in a transfer request. It said he had told Pep he wanted to leave, but nothing about an official transfer request. People just seemed to infer that themselves.
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Post by oxfordyankee on Aug 15, 2017 10:34:03 GMT
"Some of our more primitive fans". Blimey, Charlie, you just love an insult, don't you? If any one likes Stewart Lee, they'll be familiar with Lee's claim that the person on stage isn't him, it's a character and that the insults he throws out at other comedians are the work of the character, Stewart Lee, rather than the true Stewart Lee. So much of me wants it to be true of Charlie. Tell me it's so, Charlie. There are gentle posters on here with whom I disagree (gently). Then there are others who routinely insult me, imply that I act against the interests of the club and have - wooooah - "agendas". Most of these people shelter behind their pseudonyms to throw out their barbs, and then are often rather embarrassed when I find out who they are and have a face-to-face chat with them. If you can't take it, then don't hand it out. I am friendly with both Callum O'Dowda and Juan Sartori, both of whom have been insulted recently on here. And I shall defend them in the tone which their critics employ. If Sartori is "insincere" and Callum "disgraceful" then I don't think that "primitive" is an especially unpleasant insult. Never change, Charlie. 👍🏻
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Post by pottersrightboot on Aug 15, 2017 10:39:54 GMT
For somebody who is so precious about having his integrity questioned, you seem very happy to dish out insults yourself. Typical behaviour. Worst kind of people, happy to dish it out, but off crying to mummy and daddy when you get it back. I have a skin as thick as a rhino. Being a national newspaper columnist for 10 years tends to do that for one. Honestly, when one has had Alastair Campbell, multiple times, screaming abuse down a phone, threatening career termination in direct and very specific terms, what some cowardly pseudonymous nobody on here writes about me is unlikely to keep me up at night. At least I have the self-confidence to dish it out and take it in person, as opposed to snivelling behind a fake name. Now that really is the worst kind of person (if a troll is a person...) But not being emotionally affected by it does not mean that I will not push back against some of the crap that you write. There is so much of it that I have to operate a "three strikes" policy. Let you get away with one or two divisive barbs. And then push back, just to remind you that from time to time you will get called on stuff. It's always good to get a view from the director's box Chaz. Keep it up. Suggest you cut out the gratuitous insults though. People are not 'morons', 'primitive', 'pond life' etc. just because they hold a different view about OUFC from you.
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Post by oxvox on Aug 15, 2017 10:42:04 GMT
Interesting, if true where has this all come from? One issue, is that these ill-informed and inaccurate stories can cause supporters to turn on players without full knowledge of the facts. It appears from social media, that happened in this case. Should Johnno get abuse if he hasn't actually done anything? Don't think anyone is saying there is nothing in this, clearly there is, but let's all show some respect to our players along the way.
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Post by bigcrompy on Aug 15, 2017 10:44:06 GMT
Because of....anything in particular..? Tongue-in-cheek perhaps, but feel free to elucidate why it's "stupid". P.S. just arrived at work, so possibly not drunk. So you think in a year or so he'll end up at a club like Wycombe? Jesus wept...it was a bloody joke....!
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Post by foley on Aug 15, 2017 11:10:22 GMT
Interesting, if true where has this all come from? One issue, is that these ill-informed and inaccurate stories can cause supporters to turn on players without full knowledge of the facts. It appears from social media, that happened in this case. Should Johnno get abuse if he hasn't actually done anything? Don't think anyone is saying there is nothing in this, clearly there is, but let's all show some respect to our players along the way. I think that with Marvin there are two things. Sky put on yesterday that MJ had asked to leave. Now I would guess that this was either his agent or DE putting this out to get a better price. For me though the reason that he may get turned on is not that. it is the 'performance' against Cheltenham. I would honestly say that it was one of the least committed performances that I can remember in a yellow shirt. The view of everybody round me at the game was that he didn't bother and wanted out.
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Post by greatunclekip on Aug 15, 2017 11:12:10 GMT
Its a none story. Player says "if another bid is made, i would like to quadruple my salary, gain a signing on fee and play in front of 20k people please."
Very different to slapping in a formal request to force a move.
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Post by isibuko on Aug 15, 2017 11:22:17 GMT
One issue, is that these ill-informed and inaccurate stories can cause supporters to turn on players without full knowledge of the facts. It appears from social media, that happened in this case. Should Johnno get abuse if he hasn't actually done anything? Don't think anyone is saying there is nothing in this, clearly there is, but let's all show some respect to our players along the way. I think that with Marvin there are two things. Sky put on yesterday that MJ had asked to leave. Now I would guess that this was either his agent or DE putting this out to get a better price. For me though the reason that he may get turned on is not that. it is the 'performance' against Cheltenham. I would honestly say that it was one of the least committed performances that I can remember in a yellow shirt. The view of everybody round me at the game was that he didn't bother and wanted out. I wasn't at the game admittedly, but from RadOx it seemed that pretty much everyone had a shocker. Was MJ particularly bad or has that been stoked by all this transfer stuff? It's going to be pretty tough if every time he puts in a shitty performance (which is going to happen sometimes) he is going to get all this 'doesn't want to be here' stuff.
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Post by scottie on Aug 15, 2017 11:22:24 GMT
The club is the fans, players will come and go, some parting in good ways some not. The fact that we are attracting some quality players that perceive us as a stepping stone to greater things is a good thing and not something that we could talk about a few years ago. It is the club model and as long as we keep re-investing in bringing new talent through and progressing up the ranks towards our goal of sustainable championship football then I for one will be happy.
Look at who we have lost and look at what we have brought in, I have total faith in the management of the club that if MJ does depart then they will have the right person lined up. Could even pave the way to sign Gino Van Kessel (at a later date) or Jack Payne on a permanent deal.
I would rather have the MJ situation where we hold the cards and the long contract against a loanee who does well and then is either recalled (Baldock)or decides he want to go somewhere else (McAleny).
So if the potential MJ departure is going to allow re-investment or to sign one of our loans on a perm then bring it on I say
COYY
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Post by ian on Aug 15, 2017 11:23:51 GMT
For somebody who is so precious about having his integrity questioned, you seem very happy to dish out insults yourself. Typical behaviour. Worst kind of people, happy to dish it out, but off crying to mummy and daddy when you get it back. I have a skin as thick as a rhino. Being a national newspaper columnist for 10 years tends to do that for one. Honestly, when one has had Alastair Campbell, multiple times, screaming abuse down a phone, threatening career termination in direct and very specific terms, what some cowardly pseudonymous nobody on here writes about me is unlikely to keep me up at night. At least I have the self-confidence to dish it out and take it in person, as opposed to snivelling behind a fake name. Now that really is the worst kind of person (if a troll is a person...) But not being emotionally affected by it does not mean that I will not push back against some of the crap that you write. There is so much of it that I have to operate a "three strikes" policy. Let you get away with one or two divisive barbs. And then push back, just to remind you that from time to time you will get called on stuff. There's no need to be a braggart.
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Post by Yellow River on Aug 15, 2017 11:28:28 GMT
I think that with Marvin there are two things. Sky put on yesterday that MJ had asked to leave. Now I would guess that this was either his agent or DE putting this out to get a better price. For me though the reason that he may get turned on is not that. it is the 'performance' against Cheltenham. I would honestly say that it was one of the least committed performances that I can remember in a yellow shirt. The view of everybody round me at the game was that he didn't bother and wanted out. I wasn't at the game admittedly, but from RadOx it seemed that pretty much everyone had a shocker. Was MJ particularly bad or has that been stoked by all this transfer stuff? It's going to be pretty tough if every time he puts in a shitty performance (which is going to happen sometimes) he is going to get all this 'doesn't want to be here' stuff. Ribeiro, Martin & Johnson all had poor games midweek. Ribeiro, & Martin were trying, Johnson wasn't. It really was obvious. Having said that, much better effort from Johnson against Portsmouth.
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 15, 2017 11:34:46 GMT
I have a skin as thick as a rhino. Being a national newspaper columnist for 10 years tends to do that for one. Honestly, when one has had Alastair Campbell, multiple times, screaming abuse down a phone, threatening career termination in direct and very specific terms, what some cowardly pseudonymous nobody on here writes about me is unlikely to keep me up at night. At least I have the self-confidence to dish it out and take it in person, as opposed to snivelling behind a fake name. Now that really is the worst kind of person (if a troll is a person...) But not being emotionally affected by it does not mean that I will not push back against some of the crap that you write. There is so much of it that I have to operate a "three strikes" policy. Let you get away with one or two divisive barbs. And then push back, just to remind you that from time to time you will get called on stuff. There's no need to be a braggart. Ermmm... hate to be pernickety, Ian, but when you are being accused of being an infantile cry baby, is it not maybe justified to point out that one's career might indicate that one is, in fact, able to take the rough with the smooth better than most? There seems to be a general expectation - demonstrated here by you - that those of us who post under our own name - and Mark Sennett, Colin Barson, Paul Cannell, Simon Bradbury and others have all suffered the same fate - should just take insults handed out by faceless trolls and not react, or stand up for ourselves. Why?
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Post by makv on Aug 15, 2017 11:42:00 GMT
"Some of our more primitive fans". Blimey, Charlie, you just love an insult, don't you? If any one likes Stewart Lee, they'll be familiar with Lee's claim that the person on stage isn't him, it's a character and that the insults he throws out at other comedians are the work of the character, Stewart Lee, rather than the true Stewart Lee. So much of me wants it to be true of Charlie. Tell me it's so, Charlie. There are gentle posters on here with whom I disagree (gently). Then there are others who routinely insult me, imply that I act against the interests of the club and have - wooooah - "agendas". Most of these people shelter behind their pseudonyms to throw out their barbs, and then are often rather embarrassed when I find out who they are and have a face-to-face chat with them. If you can't take it, then don't hand it out. I am friendly with both Callum O'Dowda and Juan Sartori, both of whom have been insulted recently on here. And I shall defend them in the tone which their critics employ. If Sartori is "insincere" and Callum "disgraceful" then I don't think that "primitive" is an especially unpleasant insult. Isn't "charliesghost" a pseudonym? If not, you have weird parents. No insult intended.
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Post by grumpygit on Aug 15, 2017 11:42:18 GMT
I think that with Marvin there are two things. Sky put on yesterday that MJ had asked to leave. Now I would guess that this was either his agent or DE putting this out to get a better price. For me though the reason that he may get turned on is not that. it is the 'performance' against Cheltenham. I would honestly say that it was one of the least committed performances that I can remember in a yellow shirt. The view of everybody round me at the game was that he didn't bother and wanted out. I wasn't at the game admittedly, but from RadOx it seemed that pretty much everyone had a shocker. Was MJ particularly bad or has that been stoked by all this transfer stuff? It's going to be pretty tough if every time he puts in a shitty performance (which is going to happen sometimes) he is going to get all this 'doesn't want to be here' stuff. I think Raglan would have done a better job on Tuesday and he's crocked. A terrible performance.
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Post by m on Aug 15, 2017 11:43:44 GMT
There's no need to be a braggart. Ermmm... hate to be pernickety, Ian, but when you are being accused of being an infantile cry baby, is it not maybe justified to point out that one's career might indicate that one is, in fact, able to take the rough with the smooth better than most? There seems to be a general expectation - demonstrated here by you - that those of us who post under our own name - and Mark Sennett, Colin Barson, Paul Cannell, Simon Bradbury and others have all suffered the same fate - should just take insults handed out by faceless trolls and not react, or stand up for ourselves. Why? From safely behind my anonymous handle I'd suggest that you may wish to check your source re Mr Cannell.
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Post by socrates on Aug 15, 2017 11:47:26 GMT
Johnson is a bit of a personification of fake news.
He is our best player, apparently. But he has been consistently played out of position, where he is truly awful at defending, costing us goals. In fact, he probably cost us a win at Boro (not his fault btw).
Anyway, we are told that all of these scouts have watched him.
Yet how many clubs have tried to sign him?
And how many bids have there been for our best player?
One. Possibly two (wasn't one rejected last season).
So something doesn't quite ring true does it.
Either there weren't 30 scouts looking at him. Or there were and they decided he wasn't good enough. UIt;'s also possible that they were told of this versatile left-back/left-winger and when they watched him they said 'er, hang on...this guy can't defend.' a player is only versatile if he can ACTUALLY perform in more than one position.
And when a club has made a bid, it's pretty low by standards for English players.
Where's the truth?
I suspect it might be that Johnson is overvalued by Oxford. And the fee they want is based on the deal they struck with Motherwell, not his actual talent as perceived by those who want (or rather don't) want to buy him.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 15, 2017 11:50:09 GMT
Ermmm... hate to be pernickety, Ian, but when you are being accused of being an infantile cry baby, is it not maybe justified to point out that one's career might indicate that one is, in fact, able to take the rough with the smooth better than most? There seems to be a general expectation - demonstrated here by you - that those of us who post under our own name - and Mark Sennett, Colin Barson, Paul Cannell, Simon Bradbury and others have all suffered the same fate - should just take insults handed out by faceless trolls and not react, or stand up for ourselves. Why? From safely behind my anonymous handle I'd suggest that you may wish to check your source re Mr Cannell. Also not sure Eric read would agree 😉
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Post by Yellow River on Aug 15, 2017 11:57:55 GMT
Could just be that Yellow as a Christian or Surname is higher than the national average on these boards.
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Post by sheikdjibouti on Aug 15, 2017 12:03:34 GMT
Surely any player with ambition and (arguably) ability beyond that which their current club can presently match would want to leave. Football is a very fast moving, short term career and any player owes it to themselves and their dependants to make the most of that while the opportunity arises, rather than wait around for the current club to catch them up, surely?
We shouldn't think any the worse of Johnson or any other player for that matter if they go about it in the right way and are fair and honest to all involved.
For my part at least, if he were to go it would be with my thanks for what he's done here and also with a tad of admiration that he has had the ambition to better himself while he can.
I see no point whatsoever in holding a grudge, calling his ability or attitude into question or even putting him on a pedestal as "our best player".
It is what it is ...shit happens and we shouldn't get so precious over it.
Moreover, should it come to it, I trust Eales to re-invest, the scouting and recruitment network to unearth the gems and Pep to make the right choices in recruiting the right players and fitting them into out setup.
COYY!
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Post by horseman on Aug 15, 2017 12:17:20 GMT
So that would be the COD that can't get off the bench for a poor championship team and acted disgracefully to engineer his move. MJ is better than COD. £1.5m to £2m is fair Well, COD went for £1.6 a year ago, and that was straight out of League 2, so the market doesn't agree with you. At the age of 21, he made 34 appearances for Bristol City last season, of which - from memory - 12 were starts. So it is a (not uncharacteristic) lie to say that he couldn't "get off the bench". Indeed, this season he has actually quite literally come off the bench for 20 minutes in both games and Bristol City are mid-table, having spent huge money during the summer. This for a guy who 15 months ago was told he wasn't good enough to start games in League 2! At 5 years younger than Marvin, and already playing at a higher level than Marvin has ever played before, I think that it is a fairly safe prediction to say that he is likely to enjoy a more successful career than MJ. Not that that is really a criticism of MJ. Some of our more primitive fans seem not to understand how competitive the Championship is. These clubs have squads of 30 plus full professionals. Even getting ONTO the bench is tough work, and well-paid tough work too. If you were to sample 20 professionals and ask if they would rather be coming off the bench in the Championship or starting in League 1, you'd get 18 or 19 hands shooting up to volunteer for the Championship. cf John Lundstram. well of course this may be correct, how many are doing so because of the money? whether they are footballers or merceneries is for others to decide
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Post by yellowbow on Aug 15, 2017 12:24:26 GMT
As the subject of Sartori has been brought up by you yet again Charlie, and each time taking what I said even further out of context I might add, I assume that you are including me in your 'primitive troll' insults. Something I take huge exception to.
I'd welcome anybody to look through my past posts. I'm respectful in every one, even if some are said with tongue in cheek. Maybe you should consider that yourself from time to time..
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Post by ttg17 on Aug 15, 2017 12:47:57 GMT
Is he one of our best players though? No one is saying he is a bad player but right now he is inconsistent. If he wants to go to the next level he needs to turn in excellent performances week in week out. Payne is an example of how you need to be if you want to reach the next level. Same with Ledson, Williamson and Nelson, you know what you're going to get each week. If Ruffles carries on then he will be the same as I thought he was excellent Saturday at pressing players and playing well placed passes. Is MJ really as good as his hype? He is a physically impressive footballer and has a turn of speed and can, on occasion beat a player - in a straight sprint. But he is inconsistent and has clear weaknesses. And he is not some young pup who can be developed over the coming years. He should be in his prime and not a development project for a big club higher up the league. He can disappear from games, can tend to run into trouble when in possession and as a result lose the ball (although to his credit he then does work to get it back) and when he runs from deep he runs with his head down (looking at the ball) and therefore rarely sees or picks out a team mate. His crosses can be brilliant and really awkward for defences to deal with but many of them are not actually into an oncoming OUFC player ( I accept it would be great if we had a goal poacher who was in there more often). Someone should show him Jordan Graham's display for us against Scumdon a couple of years ago - worked hard back in covering his fullback, was able to run from deep and pick a pass and could stand his opposing fullback up with guile and pace. Absolutely toasted the STFC fullback on several occasions. Something MJ tends not to do - either because he doesn't think he can or because he doesn't have confidence in his own skill set. So what? He is a very talented L1 player and might do better in a Championship side. But the skill set is higher, the pace greater, defences tighter and expectations harder to meet. He could disappear into obscurity. But money talks and if he wants away I guess he'll go. But he wouldn't leave us as a OUFC legend. Good luck to him. Ricardinho and Hall can more than do a job for us and Pep/DE can go shopping for reinforcements. Off topic but god that was a great day
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Post by foley on Aug 15, 2017 12:57:30 GMT
I think that with Marvin there are two things. Sky put on yesterday that MJ had asked to leave. Now I would guess that this was either his agent or DE putting this out to get a better price. For me though the reason that he may get turned on is not that. it is the 'performance' against Cheltenham. I would honestly say that it was one of the least committed performances that I can remember in a yellow shirt. The view of everybody round me at the game was that he didn't bother and wanted out. I wasn't at the game admittedly, but from RadOx it seemed that pretty much everyone had a shocker. Was MJ particularly bad or has that been stoked by all this transfer stuff? It's going to be pretty tough if every time he puts in a shitty performance (which is going to happen sometimes) he is going to get all this 'doesn't want to be here' stuff. Agree with yellow river. Players all have bad days. Riberio and Martin may have been very poor (and my goodness they weren't the only ones), but to me Marvin simply couldn't be bothered. Most round me thought the same thing. As I said before if there was something wrong with him then fair enough. But if he was fit then to say his heart didn't appear in it is pretty generous ...
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 15, 2017 13:53:42 GMT
Johnson is a bit of a personification of fake news. He is our best player, apparently. But he has been consistently played out of position, where he is truly awful at defending, costing us goals. In fact, he probably cost us a win at Boro (not his fault btw). Anyway, we are told that all of these scouts have watched him. Yet how many clubs have tried to sign him? And how many bids have there been for our best player? One. Possibly two (wasn't one rejected last season). So something doesn't quite ring true does it. Either there weren't 30 scouts looking at him. Or there were and they decided he wasn't good enough. UIt;'s also possible that they were told of this versatile left-back/left-winger and when they watched him they said 'er, hang on...this guy can't defend.' a player is only versatile if he can ACTUALLY perform in more than one position. And when a club has made a bid, it's pretty low by standards for English players. Where's the truth? I suspect it might be that Johnson is overvalued by Oxford. And the fee they want is based on the deal they struck with Motherwell, not his actual talent as perceived by those who want (or rather don't) want to buy him. Tbh, if they don't match our valuation, I'll be happy we've still got him. He can be an exciting player to watch and having those players in a team makes watching it very interesting. We've had teams that haven't had those type of players in the last 15 years or so for good chunks of it and I know what I prefer to watch.
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