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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 14, 2017 20:26:36 GMT
Johnson is (at best) a championship wide player and not a top one. He is a conference defender and anyone who buys him as a left back is daft. As with many wide players he is quite inconsistent - on his day he is unplayable (at least against L1 defenders!), when he's not on his game then the crosses go everywhere and he never goes past his man.
He didn't really look that bothered on Saturday (although there were a couple of excellent bits of play from him) so I am not surprised he's decided he wants to move on. Bit of a pity he couldn't do us the courtesy of making up his mind before now though.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 14, 2017 20:26:54 GMT
If we sell him for a million we won't be making a lot of money on him, cost us £650,000 and Motherwell have a 10/20% sell on fee, add a signing on/agents fee plus his wages and we will be breaking even. He started slowly blossomed in the middle part of last season and then we played him out of position and he wasn't anything special. This season he hasn't really given a damn, his performance against Cheltenham was shambolic and he has just been average in the other two games. He will be going, we can't afford to keep an unhappy player, it's a shame as you feel he is a good player who we have never really seen the best of, we won't make a great deal on him either but then we only had him for a year, so it's not the biggest loss ever. The figure is a lot closer to 400k than 650k. Kiddys official account tweeted at the time they had got 40k for their 10% sell on fee. Still not great fee on £1m, but would be just under 500k profit in a year
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Post by bigcrompy on Aug 14, 2017 20:27:08 GMT
He could mean the difference for us to get promoted this season. How much is he worth to us then... Sent from my SM-G930F using proboards He isn't that good. Hall is better, has more to his game and is more consistent. A million for an inconsistent 26 year old whose only been a pro since 2015? Sold. Errrrmmm....no. Rejected, actually. Ask Darryl. Under contract, some of any fee owed to former club, more than one club interested = auction.
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Post by The Fence End on Aug 14, 2017 20:32:45 GMT
He isn't that good. Hall is better, has more to his game and is more consistent. A million for an inconsistent 26 year old whose only been a pro since 2015? Sold. Errrrmmm....no. Rejected, actually. Ask Darryl. Under contract, some of any fee owed to former club, more than one club interested = auction. Even better. I think Eales is going to get a lot more than Johnson is actually worth.
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Post by bigcrompy on Aug 14, 2017 20:32:47 GMT
He will be going, we can't afford to keep an unhappy player, it's a shame as you feel he is a good player who we have never really seen the best of, we won't make a great deal on him either but then we only had him for a year, so it's not the biggest loss ever. I sincerely doubt he's an "unhappy player"...I just think he's a player with a greedy agent. Agree with your sentinments though, and we'll probably see him leave with relatively little fanfare for £2m, then play in Div 2 about as much as COD. Then on loan to Wycombe next year.
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Post by York Yellow on Aug 14, 2017 20:33:23 GMT
Surely everyone understands why he would want to go. He's 26, he'll probably get an extra 5-10k per week (at least) at Hull, and he'll have his Mrs reminding him of that fact every 3 minutes.
Either way, I genuinely believe MJ is worth in excess of £3m, and would be very effective in the Championship. The fee should also be heavily influenced by the the sh*tty timing, and the fact that we don't need to sell him at all this summer. Personally, if Hull hold firm at £1.5m (let's say), then I would rather we kept him this season. Yes, he may cry a bit - but, he'll have to get over it to engineer a move next year (or potentially in Jan).
Jerome and the BBC Ox folk have called out multiple times that scouts were in the building to watch MJ - and I'm guessing Hull know that as well.... Another factor they should consider with the monies offered!
£3m + 25% sell on, and yay. Optimistic, yes.
In terms of back-up - Van Kessel has an arrogance/confidence (form interviews and his brief appearance) about him that suggests he'll be great for us this season - and then Hall is more than capable of filling in.
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Post by bigcrompy on Aug 14, 2017 20:34:15 GMT
Errrrmmm....no. Rejected, actually. Ask Darryl. Under contract, some of any fee owed to former club, more than one club interested = auction. Even better. I think Eales is going to get a lot more than Johnson is actually worth. Which would be a good thing, no..? Did we also pay more than he was worth?
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Post by The Fence End on Aug 14, 2017 20:39:42 GMT
Even better. I think Eales is going to get a lot more than Johnson is actually worth. Which would be a good thing, no..? Did we also pay more than he was worth? His overall performances would suggest we didn't get a bargain.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 14, 2017 20:43:15 GMT
If we sell him for a million we won't be making a lot of money on him, cost us £650,000 and Motherwell have a 10/20% sell on fee, add a signing on/agents fee plus his wages and we will be breaking even. He started slowly blossomed in the middle part of last season and then we played him out of position and he wasn't anything special. This season he hasn't really given a damn, his performance against Cheltenham was shambolic and he has just been average in the other two games. He will be going, we can't afford to keep an unhappy player, it's a shame as you feel he is a good player who we have never really seen the best of, we won't make a great deal on him either but then we only had him for a year, so it's not the biggest loss ever. The figure is a lot closer to 400k than 650k. Kiddys official account tweeted at the time they had got 40k for their 10% sell on fee. Still not great fee on £1m, but would be just under 500k profit in a year 400k transfer with his signing on fee, agents fee and wages added on plus a sell on fee to Motherwell then, from a million we will see 200/250 thousand actual profit then, it's better than nothing but it's not exactly Neymar. With Lundstram and now Johnson going for relatively cheap fees it does show a problem with being perceived as a selling club, especially if only one club is trying to buy, we won't be getting big fees for our players. At our current player turn over rate Ruffles must overdue a testimonial.
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Aug 14, 2017 20:44:37 GMT
This thread is pretty similar to the one on the Motherwell forum 12 months ago
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Post by bigcrompy on Aug 14, 2017 20:44:42 GMT
Which would be a good thing, no..? Did we also pay more than he was worth? His overall performances would suggest we didn't get a bargain. And so you think that despite the madness of the modern football world and the amount of smoke being blown up his arse, Oxford United FC should do the honourable thing and settle for the smallest profit they can get...approx £400K for a contracted player, wanted by moneybags Hull? Good job you're not in charge of the purse strings then, eh? We'll get at least £1.5m, probably more, however much that will break your heart!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 14, 2017 20:47:53 GMT
His 10%er was subtley agitating for a move in January as I recall, so is doing the same thing. Show us the money and he's yours for keeps. One things for sure, he's not going cheap.
The fact he was on the front of the programme on Saturday said a lot. If we turn 650k into a 1 million+ profit in a year, it is fantastic business at the L1 level.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 14, 2017 20:48:00 GMT
His overall performances would suggest we didn't get a bargain. And so you think that despite the madness of the modern football world and the amount of smoke being blown up his arse, Oxford United FC should do the honourable thing and settle for the smallest profit they can get...approx £400K for a contracted player, wanted by moneybags Hull? Good job you're not in charge of the purse strings then, eh? We'll get at least £1.5m, probably more, however much that will break your heart! I think £2m is realistic to his value, and what the club would accept. Some are suggesting £5m plus. I know footballs gone crazy but Just can't see it
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 14, 2017 20:49:43 GMT
He will be going, we can't afford to keep an unhappy player, it's a shame as you feel he is a good player who we have never really seen the best of, we won't make a great deal on him either but then we only had him for a year, so it's not the biggest loss ever. I sincerely doubt he's an "unhappy player"...I just think he's a player with a greedy agent. Agree with your sentinments though, and we'll probably see him leave with relatively little fanfare for £2m, then play in Div 2 about as much as COD. Then on loan to Wycombe next year. If you don't want to move then no agent can make you, footballers are not slaves. I think we will do well to bump it up to £2 million, 1.5 at best. If Hull play him as a winger then he could prosper, but if they play him left back then they should just burn the money, get better value.
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Post by Common Villager on Aug 14, 2017 20:49:48 GMT
Which would be a good thing, no..? Did we also pay more than he was worth? His overall performances would suggest we didn't get a bargain. His goal against Luton in the Checkashit cup probably paid us back for what he cost.
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Post by saddletramp on Aug 14, 2017 20:54:59 GMT
"30 odd scouts watching him some games" ? A.How do you know how many scouts are at a game ? B.How do you know if the "30 odd scouts" in attendance are not watching someone else ? C.Never in million years is he a PL player,so just which clubs do these scouts represent ? Calm down saddlebags. Only going on what others have said. Including radio oxford who quite often mention how many scouts are in, I think mapp may have mentioned in an interview as well. Man City was certainly one of the clubs supposed to be watching him last season. Man City !!!!! Don't make me laugh. P.S. You are also contradicting yourself. "Man City was certainly one of the clubs supposed to be watching him last season" So were they "certainly" watching him ? Or were they "supposed" to be watching him ?
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Post by londonroader on Aug 14, 2017 20:59:46 GMT
I would like Marv to stay, as I think we might see him prosper under Peps guidance.
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Post by taffyewe on Aug 14, 2017 20:59:56 GMT
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Post by MJB on Aug 14, 2017 21:04:36 GMT
This thread is pretty similar to the one on the Motherwell forum 12 months ago Less battered Mars bar spillages on our keyboards though.
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Post by upthecowboys on Aug 14, 2017 21:06:20 GMT
He will be going, we can't afford to keep an unhappy player, it's a shame as you feel he is a good player who we have never really seen the best of, we won't make a great deal on him either but then we only had him for a year, so it's not the biggest loss ever. I sincerely doubt he's an "unhappy player"...I just think he's a player with a greedy agent. Agree with your sentinments though, and we'll probably see him leave with relatively little fanfare for £2m, then play in Div 2 about as much as COD. Then on loan to Wycombe next year. Do you realise how stupid your post is? Are you drunk?
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Post by campbell on Aug 14, 2017 21:07:44 GMT
Love how as soon as Johnson puts in a transfer request he's suddenly an inconsistent, average player that we don't need. If he wants out, fine let him go. But don't talk rubbish afterwards to make yourself feel better. I for one would rather we had him than we didn't.
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Post by plonker on Aug 14, 2017 21:08:03 GMT
Calm down saddlebags. Only going on what others have said. Including radio oxford who quite often mention how many scouts are in, I think mapp may have mentioned in an interview as well. Man City was certainly one of the clubs supposed to be watching him last season. Man City !!!!! Don't make me laugh. P.S. You are also contradicting yourself. "Man City was certainly one of the clubs supposed to be watching him last season" So were they "certainly" watching him ? Or were they "supposed" to be watching him ? Man City, Liverpool, Everton and Leicester have all reportedly sent scouts to watch him at some point. Whether or not you choose to believe that is a different matter. Google "Johnson" "Oxford" "scouts" (with quotes) and see the results for yourself. As for the number of scouts, there were 33 scouts at the Bury game last season. How many were watching Johnson? No idea, but that was definitely the number reported.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 14, 2017 21:08:07 GMT
Calm down saddlebags. Only going on what others have said. Including radio oxford who quite often mention how many scouts are in, I think mapp may have mentioned in an interview as well. Man City was certainly one of the clubs supposed to be watching him last season. Man City !!!!! Don't make me laugh. P.S. You are also contradicting yourself. "Man City was certainly one of the clubs supposed to be watching him last season" So were they "certainly" watching him ? Or were they "supposed" to be watching him ? A lot of scouts are actually part time and have other jobs, get paid a pittance so to prem clubs sending someone to watch a player is like not bothering to bend down to pick up 5p they have dropped. Their was a good book about how scouting in English football actually works by Mike Calvin, can't remember the name of it though.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 14, 2017 21:12:16 GMT
So Hull have basically leaked something to Sky Sports in order to agitate the move along. The issue they have is the club can wait as long as they like to sell in this window as they have a lovely long contract.
I did laugh at Klopp at doing the same with Van Dijk and Keita, but moaning when Barca did the same thing.
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Post by leysboy on Aug 14, 2017 21:15:49 GMT
Not to bothered about this tbh. Think we can bring in better, and let the bloke leave. I shall certainly not lose sleep over it.
We will be playing them next season anyhow.
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Post by gingerox on Aug 14, 2017 21:19:34 GMT
What I find difficult to believe is that the majority of Hull fans have read he's played LB, and think they're signing him to play LB. Judging by his performances in defence in L1, surely scouts must know he cannot play there, especially at a higher level?
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 14, 2017 21:28:50 GMT
Well he certainly does enjoy handing in a transfer request in the summer transfer window!
If a club are going to pay 2+ million for him then I'd take it. Do I think he will be a big loss? Not at all. Robbie Hall and GVK are more than good enough in that position.
Pep seems to want to play 4231 which suits both Hall and GVK on the left of the 3. I would think we would then maybe look at loaning a wide player from a premiership/championship side or knowing us some player we have never heard of from Norway!
It's a shame Marvin listens to his agent because if he had 1 more season learning and becoming consistent in league 1 he would get a move to a much bigger and better club than Hull next summer.
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Aug 14, 2017 21:39:25 GMT
Similar to COD who I think left one season to early and has struggled to make an impact on the championship
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Post by lerekdilley on Aug 14, 2017 21:47:53 GMT
I doubt with the system that Pep is using that he would need replacing. As others have said, Hall, GVK and also Obika can play there. Could use some of the funds for a defensive midfielder as that's what Pep bought in with Pekalski.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 14, 2017 21:55:29 GMT
I doubt with the system that Pep is using that he would need replacing. As others have said, Hall, GVK and also Obika can play there. Could use some of the funds for a defensive midfielder as that's what Pep bought in with Pekalski. I'm not sure we need a defensive midfielder? From what I understand Carrol could play there too or we play a system like 4141 with ledson as the 1 and Rothwell goes into the middle?
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