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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 31, 2017 7:59:25 GMT
That's just how maths works
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Johnson
Aug 31, 2017 8:01:29 GMT
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Post by pottersrightboot on Aug 31, 2017 8:01:29 GMT
What he actually said was “He’s not trained properly for two weeks now". To me that's not on strike, it's a 'mind is elsewhere' situation so a little harsh to say he has been on strike. He wants to move to a bigger and higher club and earn a hell of a lot more money than we can pay him and we get a very good deal out of it. Can't grumble really. Remember we tempt some of these players here with the promise of a potential big move. Has be been the model of class in the situation? Probably not, but is it any worse than running down a contract and forcing a sale that way? Onward and upward. To be fair, Marv may have turned up in clown shoes and a red nose, like the formal attire of PRB himself, or insisted on wearing Martha his favourite boa constrictor, while training. There is no evidence that he wasn't trying or that his mind was elsewhere (a familiar state to PRB, i see). There is evidence. The assistant manager has gone on record In the local paper that the player hasn't trained properly for two weeks. We know he's fit. It's shabby behaviour. Anyway, he'll be off by lunchtime. Good riddance.
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Aug 31, 2017 8:30:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 8:30:36 GMT
He can't be bothered and wants to go. Thankfully this long drawn out saga finishes today and the club can focus on getting on what with matters to the club. Thank you Marvin for the goals and the money generated. Middlesbrough will no doubt be treated the same if they fail to go up and Leicester come begging
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Post by headingtonutd on Aug 31, 2017 8:35:41 GMT
He can't be bothered and wants to go. Thankfully this long drawn out saga finishes today and the club can focus on getting on what with matters to the club. Thank you Marvin for the goals and the money generated. Middlesbrough will no doubt be treated the same if they fail to go up and Leicester come begging Or better still with Mahrez looking like he might be going they come calling today and up the ante to £3m
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Post by paulbeasley on Aug 31, 2017 8:36:07 GMT
We signed Marv (Should call him Johnson now - less affectionate) about a year ago. All the players we signed were supposed to have the right DNA. That included ability and desire and the right mental attitude did it not. Did we get it wrong in this case and who can say he wouldn't do the same to Middlesborough if a bigger club were to come in at some time in the future. Unlikely I know.
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Post by headingtonutd on Aug 31, 2017 8:43:15 GMT
We signed Marv (Should call him Johnson now - less affectionate) about a year ago. All the players we signed were supposed to have the right DNA. That included ability and desire and the right mental attitude did it not. Did we get it wrong in this case and who can say he wouldn't do the same to Middlesborough if a bigger club were to come in at some time in the future. Unlikely I know. Yes where did it all go wrong with the recruiting department!? What a waste of £400,000 (or whatever the bloody hell it is decided we paid for him) that was!
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Post by scotters on Aug 31, 2017 8:47:41 GMT
We signed Marv (Should call him Johnson now - less affectionate) about a year ago. All the players we signed were supposed to have the right DNA. That included ability and desire and the right mental attitude did it not. Did we get it wrong in this case and who can say he wouldn't do the same to Middlesborough if a bigger club were to come in at some time in the future. Unlikely I know. Yes where did it all go wrong with the recruiting department!? What a waste of £400,000 (or whatever the bloody hell it is decided we paid for him) that was! It was a brilliant move from a business point of view - £400k on an asset that's now worth £2.5m or £3m or whatever. Think we have to accept that what is seen as the best move for the club might not always line up with what's best for the team, in the short term at least. Not to excuse MJ if he has been acting unprofessionally, however.
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Post by edinburghyellow on Aug 31, 2017 9:06:35 GMT
Just had a look at MJ's Twitter. Interesting to see he's recently liked posts from Robbie Hall and Obika re. Stevenage performance. Also liked the following tweet. Playing the innocent? Probably.
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Post by headingtonutd on Aug 31, 2017 9:07:24 GMT
Yes where did it all go wrong with the recruiting department!? What a waste of £400,000 (or whatever the bloody hell it is decided we paid for him) that was! It was a brilliant move from a business point of view - £400k on an asset that's now worth £2.5m or £3m or whatever. Think we have to accept that what is seen as the best move for the club might not always line up with what's best for the team, in the short term at least. Not to excuse MJ if he has been acting unprofessionally, however. I just think we get a little blinkered some times. Where were all the shouts of 'he has a contract with us' when we dispense with the likes of Skarz or MacDonald who wanted to stay? It's football. MJ did very well for us and didn't sulk about being played out of position for long periods. Now it looks like he will get the chance to challenge for a place in the Prem and we will get a big sack load of cash. He hasn't showered himself in glory at the end but who's to say our position on not selling him wasn't just a well played poker hand to extract the best price anyway. I for one thank him and look forward to spending his money.
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Johnson
Aug 31, 2017 9:07:43 GMT
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Post by salaghaf on Aug 31, 2017 9:07:43 GMT
Just had a look at MJ's Twitter. Interesting to see he's recently liked posts from Robbie Hall and Obika re. Stevenage performance. Also liked the following tweet. Playing the innocent? Probably. View AttachmentLooks like he's staying then.
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Post by bigronaldo on Aug 31, 2017 9:45:44 GMT
When he really could be arsed, he was a class act. But tearing teams apart with his wing play? No, not nearly enough for someone with his talent. So I shall thank him for his two thirds of effort for us and wish him well for the future... What a marvellous piece of business!!!
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Johnson
Aug 31, 2017 9:52:10 GMT
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Post by bigcrompy on Aug 31, 2017 9:52:10 GMT
It was a brilliant move from a business point of view - £400k on an asset that's now worth £2.5m or £3m or whatever. Think we have to accept that what is seen as the best move for the club might not always line up with what's best for the team, in the short term at least. Not to excuse MJ if he has been acting unprofessionally, however. I just think we get a little blinkered some times. Where were all the shouts of 'he has a contract with us' when we dispense with the likes of Skarz or MacDonald who wanted to stay? It's football. No, not quite the same. Skarz and MacDonald never stopped trying, never refused to train or play. Had Bury or Mansfield not offered to assume their contracts or offered new ones, they could and would have been within their rights to remain; and no Oxford fan would have resented that. They were treated with respect, told they may no longer be first choice, asked what they wanted to do, made an informed decision. None of the above applies to Johnson who appears to have agitated for a move for a month, thrown his toys and stopped trying, giving the club (relatively) little choice. He has shown the club very little respect. Big difference. Agree with the rest of what you say though.
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Post by edinburghyellow on Aug 31, 2017 9:54:51 GMT
David Wheeler has just signed for QPR. Will always feel like a player we should have chased. 20 goals last season from the wing.
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Post by edinburghyellow on Aug 31, 2017 9:57:20 GMT
OM dismissing likelihood of Jodi Jones deal. Seems like we are going after higher league players: 'But everything we have heard has suggested United's targets are players at clubs above League One.'
That's promising.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Aug 31, 2017 10:03:52 GMT
Daily Record also state Motherwell will get 25%.
DE says 10% everywhere else 25%!
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Johnson
Aug 31, 2017 10:12:13 GMT
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Post by bazzer9461 on Aug 31, 2017 10:12:13 GMT
Daily Record also state Motherwell will get 25%. DE says 10% everywhere else 25%! MAPP tells fibs then
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Aug 31, 2017 10:12:18 GMT
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Post by Common Villager on Aug 31, 2017 10:12:18 GMT
Daily Record also state Motherwell will get 25%. DE says 10% everywhere else 25%! To be honest, in this instance, I'd be more inclined to trust Eales.
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Post by headingtonutd on Aug 31, 2017 10:21:37 GMT
I just think we get a little blinkered some times. Where were all the shouts of 'he has a contract with us' when we dispense with the likes of Skarz or MacDonald who wanted to stay? It's football. No, not quite the same. Skarz and MacDonald never stopped trying, never refused to train or play. Had Bury or Mansfield not offered to assume their contracts or offered new ones, they could and would have been within their rights to remain; and no Oxford fan would have resented that. They were treated with respect, told they may no longer be first choice, asked what they wanted to do, made an informed decision. None of the above applies to Johnson who appears to have agitated for a move for a month, thrown his toys and stopped trying, giving the club (relatively) little choice. He has shown the club very little respect. Big difference. Agree with the rest of what you say though. No that was my point. Both good pros and on contracts and were pushed out of the door. I don't remember anyone complaining about that being unprofessional by the club? It's just football. He made it clear he wanted to go and at that price, we quite rightly wanted to sell. All the rest is just smoke and noise really. Probably wasn't the best way to finish his time here (if indeed he has) but I can't see too much evidence of him doing that much wrong. He didn't refuse to train according to Pep.
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Post by paulbeasley on Aug 31, 2017 10:21:55 GMT
Yes where did it all go wrong with the recruiting department!? What a waste of £400,000 (or whatever the bloody hell it is decided we paid for him) that was! It was a brilliant move from a business point of view - £400k on an asset that's now worth £2.5m or £3m or whatever. Think we have to accept that what is seen as the best move for the club might not always line up with what's best for the team, in the short term at least. Not to excuse MJ if he has been acting unprofessionally, however. Don't get me wrong - I think it was right to sign him. I think we got it spot on with regard to the money we are going to be making. My point is - we supposedly were not going to sign players who could turn out to be bad apples. Not saying Johnson is a bad apple. Just asking did we miss something in his make up. And why care if we are to come out with a profit. Except perhaps for morale amongst his team mates.
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Post by bigcrompy on Aug 31, 2017 10:23:32 GMT
No, not quite the same. Skarz and MacDonald never stopped trying, never refused to train or play. Had Bury or Mansfield not offered to assume their contracts or offered new ones, they could and would have been within their rights to remain; and no Oxford fan would have resented that. They were treated with respect, told they may no longer be first choice, asked what they wanted to do, made an informed decision. None of the above applies to Johnson who appears to have agitated for a move for a month, thrown his toys and stopped trying, giving the club (relatively) little choice. He has shown the club very little respect. Big difference. Agree with the rest of what you say though. No that was my point. Both good pros and on contracts and were pushed out of the door. I don't remember anyone complaining about that being unprofessional by the club? And my point was - they weren't "pushed". A mutual, respectful arrangement was made. Without that, they would have stayed.
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Post by Junior on Aug 31, 2017 10:23:53 GMT
Fazackerley tells us that Johnson hasn't trained for two weeks. He's therefore effectively been on strike. That is simply disgraceful behaviour on the part of the player and his adviser. I'm sure there's plenty the club want to say but quite rightly they're biting their collective lips until they cash the cheque. It's all very well saying this is 'good business' but Johnson's petulant childish approach is very poor. What a bad apple. COYY. Well I hope the club have fined him for all the sessions he's missed...
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Post by headingtonutd on Aug 31, 2017 10:29:11 GMT
No that was my point. Both good pros and on contracts and were pushed out of the door. I don't remember anyone complaining about that being unprofessional by the club? And my point was - they weren't "pushed". A mutual, respectful arrangement was made. Without that, they would have stayed. Semantics. MJ didn't refuse to train or play either. They were told they didn't have a future at the club and wouldn't get game time. They were pushed. MJ told the club he didn't see a future here as he wanted to move to a bigger, higher placed club on more money. He pushed for a move. It's football.
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Johnson
Aug 31, 2017 10:32:15 GMT
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Post by bazzer9461 on Aug 31, 2017 10:32:15 GMT
Just sell the bloke I don't think he will cut you t in the championship so get what we can. Is he being a big I am probably but no one is bigger than the club.
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Post by bigcrompy on Aug 31, 2017 10:33:26 GMT
And my point was - they weren't "pushed". A mutual, respectful arrangement was made. Without that, they would have stayed. Semantics. MJ didn't refuse to train or play either. They were told they didn't have a future at the club and wouldn't get game time. They were pushed. MJ told the club he didn't see a future here as he wanted to move to a bigger, higher placed club on more money. He pushed for a move. It's football. They weren't pushed. They had a choice. They could have stayed on the bench on full pay until the end of their contracts quite merrily. I totally understand the point you're making, I completely do. But I still think it's relevant to compare and contrast the way that Kemar Roofe and Marvin Johnson have behaved. You see, Roofe's behaviour demonstrates that the excuse "well that's just football these days" doesn't have to be so.
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Post by headingtonutd on Aug 31, 2017 10:41:18 GMT
Semantics. MJ didn't refuse to train or play either. They were told they didn't have a future at the club and wouldn't get game time. They were pushed. MJ told the club he didn't see a future here as he wanted to move to a bigger, higher placed club on more money. He pushed for a move. It's football. They weren't pushed. They had a choice. They could have stayed on the bench on full pay until the end of their contracts quite merrily. I totally understand the point you're making, I completely do. But I still think it's relevant to compare and contrast the way that Kemar Roofe and Marvin Johnson have behaved. You see, Roofe's behaviour demonstrates that the excuse "well that's just football these days" doesn't have to be so. Yes and we could have (and still can!) not sell if we please. We have a choice. We can keep him until the end of his contract quite merrily. I agree others have handled it better and had better PR but that's about it. It's still a great deal all round and I for one hold no real malice.
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Johnson
Aug 31, 2017 10:57:53 GMT
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Post by gobbledgook on Aug 31, 2017 10:57:53 GMT
Talk Sport just confirmed MJ has signed for Boro
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Post by foley on Aug 31, 2017 11:01:40 GMT
Daily Record also state Motherwell will get 25%. DE says 10% everywhere else 25%! DID DE say 10% ever? Somebody was suggesting that at a fans forum MAPP suggested 10%. It sounds like it is 25% from what everybody is saying.
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Post by littlemore on Aug 31, 2017 11:02:51 GMT
Daily Record also state Motherwell will get 25%. DE says 10% everywhere else 25%! DID DE say 10% ever? Somebody was suggesting that at a fans forum MAPP suggested 10%. It sounds like it is 25% from what everybody is saying. I'm sticking with 10%. Appleton said it was 10% sitting next to Eales and Eales didn't disagree.
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Post by reedie8610 on Aug 31, 2017 11:03:16 GMT
Talk Sport just confirmed MJ has signed for Boro Can't believe anyone listens to that crap. If they report it you need to ring in at £1 a minute to protest
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Post by foley on Aug 31, 2017 11:08:30 GMT
DID DE say 10% ever? Somebody was suggesting that at a fans forum MAPP suggested 10%. It sounds like it is 25% from what everybody is saying. I'm sticking with 10%. Appleton said it was 10% sitting next to Eales and Eales didn't disagree. Eales allegedly suggested he 'couldn't remember' at which time MAPP said 10% (that was from a report I read- not sure how true it is)
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