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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Nov 5, 2017 12:32:47 GMT
Can't agree re: Mowatt. Tidy enough, but most of his passes are sideways. And he is another one who lacks pace. GVK looks like Messi compared to Tiandelli. I don't think I have seen a worse footballer than Tiandelli turn out for us for years. He's clearly overweight and has zero pace. He has one trick (flicks the ball through his legs), but that doesn't exactly compensate for the rest... He's so bad he reminds me of that bloke McGuckin who turned out for us under the magician who was David Kemp.
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Post by Beav on Nov 6, 2017 16:21:46 GMT
Can't agree re: Mowatt. Tidy enough, but most of his passes are sideways. And he is another one who lacks pace. GVK looks like Messi compared to Tiandelli. I don't think I have seen a worse footballer than Tiandelli turn out for us for years. He's clearly overweight and has zero pace. He has one trick (flicks the ball through his legs), but that doesn't exactly compensate for the rest... He's so bad he reminds me of that bloke McGuckin who turned out for us under the magician who was David Kemp. I’ve only seen tiendalli once (against MK) and before he got injured thought he was a very good player
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Post by Frodos sock on Nov 6, 2017 17:13:53 GMT
Think people are being harsh on tiedalli hadn't played 90 mins for two years then played 2 in a week I think most would struggle
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Post by tatabanya on Nov 6, 2017 17:30:42 GMT
Think people are being harsh on tiedalli hadn't played 90 mins for two years then played 2 in a week I think most would struggle That doesn't excuse him, or those who select him, from criticism.
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 7, 2017 7:57:31 GMT
Think people are being harsh on tiedalli hadn't played 90 mins for two years then played 2 in a week I think most would struggle In that case why sign a player whose career was effectively over? I think that Pep's signings mostly underestimated the physical challenges of League 1 football, where you need pace and power. Ricardinho and Payne have both done well (though not entirely sure about the farmer's defensive ability, lets too many crosses come over) even though they are small because they have low centres of gravity and a little burst of pace. But Xemi, Gino, Mowatt, Williamson, Tiendalli aren't quick/physical enough, while Obika has been exposed for the sick note he has always been. Mehmeti and Pekalski obviously we cannot comment on. But that is eight signings who have made no more than 20 starts between them in 16 games. Disastrous. I genuinely think it is a coincidence that so many of them are foreign (see Ricardinho) but what is not in doubt is that it is highly unusual to sign 14 players of whom only 3 have any track record of success at the level you are asking them to play at (Henry, Payne, Obika) and the latter has a history of only making 20 starts a season.
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Post by Sith Lord on Nov 7, 2017 8:42:04 GMT
Think people are being harsh on tiedalli hadn't played 90 mins for two years then played 2 in a week I think most would struggle In that case why sign a player whose career was effectively over? I think that Pep's signings mostly underestimated the physical challenges of League 1 football, where you need pace and power. Ricardinho and Payne have both done well (though not entirely sure about the farmer's defensive ability, lets too many crosses come over) even though they are small because they have low centres of gravity and a little burst of pace. But Xemi, Gino, Mowatt, Williamson, Tiendalli aren't quick/physical enough, while Obika has been exposed for the sick note he has always been. Mehmeti and Pekalski obviously we cannot comment on. But that is eight signings who have made no more than 20 starts between them in 16 games. Disastrous. I genuinely think it is a coincidence that so many of them are foreign (see Ricardinho) but what is not in doubt is that it is highly unusual to sign 14 players of whom only 3 have any track record of success at the level you are asking them to play at (Henry, Payne, Obika) and the latter has a history of only making 20 starts a season. And there we go, nice statement. IMHO there smacks a chairman winding down the assets recoup his losses and begin to bail, he started it in January when we needed a push and it never materialized, he then went onto give JS plenty of time before the 11th hour veto. He played his hand and gambled on MAPP hanging on in there the rest is history. 1) Player recruitment model.. GONE! 2) Communications...GONE! 3) Crowds...Going! 4) Kassam style chairmanship...Reality?! 5) Transparency... 6) Me Overreacting... Probably! But honestly after all the hard work over the last few years I feel we are going backwards
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Post by greatunclekip on Nov 7, 2017 9:35:23 GMT
Yep. The summer recruitment was, unfortunately, shite. Done on the cheap. Crocks bought and punts on untried foreign signings.
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Post by moomooland on Nov 7, 2017 13:48:29 GMT
Tiendalli is probably the worst player I have seen at Oxford in a very long time. I think we miss Dunkley's presence at the back. He might have made the odd mistake but he won everything in the air.
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Post by backonthecoupon on Nov 7, 2017 13:53:03 GMT
Why did we get beat by every team who played long balls up to a big man last season then?
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Post by moomooland on Nov 7, 2017 14:16:12 GMT
Dunkley scored at Vale last season.
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Nov 7, 2017 14:57:31 GMT
Tiandelli is genuinely awful. Anyone who thinks this is harsh wasn't at Fleetwood and Vale as I was. If we let him go tomorrow, he would struggle to get a game above Conference South imo.
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Post by monsieurgrumpy on Nov 7, 2017 16:05:26 GMT
Dunkley scored at Vale last season. Not sure we've scored too many headers since Dunkley has gone either.
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Post by greatunclekip on Nov 7, 2017 16:17:47 GMT
Jake Wright absolutely excelling in the Championship too. Imagine him and Nelson.
f*ck.
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Post by makv on Nov 7, 2017 16:17:55 GMT
Dunkley scored at Vale last season. Not sure we've scored too many headers since Dunkley has gone either. Fair point
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Post by londonroader on Nov 8, 2017 7:26:59 GMT
Yep. The summer recruitment was, unfortunately, shite. Done on the cheap. Crocks bought and punts on untried foreign signings. How do you know it was done on the cheap? Is it another throw away dig at the club you profess to support?
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Post by Millman on Nov 8, 2017 9:53:54 GMT
Yep. The summer recruitment was, unfortunately, shite. Done on the cheap. Crocks bought and punts on untried foreign signings. How do you know it was done on the cheap? Is it another throw away dig at the club you profess to support? It is interesting question isn't it. If we did pay a lot of money to many of this years signings I would be concerned as so far we are not seeing good value for money from quite a lot of them (injuries have unfortunately not helped here). I don't believe the comments along the lines of we could no longer afford to continue looking for talent from around the higher leagues in terms of their younger players, and we had to look abroad. Foreign players are a high risk strategy and one which has a high failure rate (I think we are seeing the beginnings of this). I look at our squad this year and although on paper it has greater numbers and more experience, I can't help thinking that we are going back to the bad old days where many of these players are either not fit or not of the quality of a first team regular (leaving us weakened if we have to play them). I would have rather the experience came from more reliable league 1 players (like Henry) with the addition of some young talent from the leagues above (more like Payne), rather than the variable talents of the likes of GVK or Tiedalli. The squad also lacks a little balance with little pace out wide and little variety in the type of attacking options we possess. Add to this that outside of our best back four any replacements make us look ropey at the back. I think some of this contributes to our lack of consistency.
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Post by Yellow River on Nov 8, 2017 10:31:35 GMT
How do you know it was done on the cheap? Is it another throw away dig at the club you profess to support? It is interesting question isn't it. If we did pay a lot of money to many of this years signings I would be concerned as so far we are not seeing good value for money from quite a lot of them (injuries have unfortunately not helped here). I don't believe the comments along the lines of we could no longer afford to continue looking for talent from around the higher leagues in terms of their younger players, and we had to look abroad. Foreign players are a high risk strategy and one which has a high failure rate (I think we are seeing the beginnings of this). I look at our squad this year and although on paper it has greater numbers and more experience, I can't help thinking that we are going back to the bad old days where many of these players are either not fit or not of the quality of a first team regular (leaving us weakened if we have to play them). I would have rather the experience came from more reliable league 1 players (like Henry) with the addition of some young talent from the leagues above (more like Payne), rather than the variable talents of the likes of GVK or Tiedalli. The squad also lacks a little balance with little pace out wide and little variety in the type of attacking options we possess. Add to this that outside of our best back four any replacements make us look ropey at the back. I think some of this contributes to our lack of consistency. I think I'm right in saying that Appleton's squad was smaller than Clotet's but better balanced and more quality in my view. As I've said before we should be aiming for quality not quantity in the squad. The club had struck on a successful recruitment policy, then appeared to rip it up. Some fans are obsessed with the size of the squad, it's no good if you fill it with ageing/injured/lack of English League experience players.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Nov 8, 2017 10:46:59 GMT
I've always been a big fan of 22 senior players - two for every position - with two or three kids knocking around getting experience and being on hand to prop the bench up if need be. That leaves you with an overall squad of about 25, or 22+3 if you like. That's perfectly adequate.
This season we must have over 30 players. In fact, I've just counted and we have 32 pros, and that's provided I haven't missed anyone. Three of those are first years (Agboola, Baptiste and Napa), so that's 29+3. You'd have to say that we're six or seven heavy in that respect - we'd be better off trading half a dozen squad players in for two cracking starters.
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Post by londonroader on Nov 8, 2017 16:33:02 GMT
How do you know it was done on the cheap? Is it another throw away dig at the club you profess to support? It is interesting question isn't it. If we did pay a lot of money to many of this years signings I would be concerned as so far we are not seeing good value for money from quite a lot of them (injuries have unfortunately not helped here). I don't believe the comments along the lines of we could no longer afford to continue looking for talent from around the higher leagues in terms of their younger players, and we had to look abroad. Foreign players are a high risk strategy and one which has a high failure rate (I think we are seeing the beginnings of this). I look at our squad this year and although on paper it has greater numbers and more experience, I can't help thinking that we are going back to the bad old days where many of these players are either not fit or not of the quality of a first team regular (leaving us weakened if we have to play them). I would have rather the experience came from more reliable league 1 players (like Henry) with the addition of some young talent from the leagues above (more like Payne), rather than the variable talents of the likes of GVK or Tiedalli. The squad also lacks a little balance with little pace out wide and little variety in the type of attacking options we possess. Add to this that outside of our best back four any replacements make us look ropey at the back. I think some of this contributes to our lack of consistency. I think it’s been mentioned about the rising cost of players, the market is changing the days of picking untried decent players up (Roofe and Johnston) are are very hard to find, we sold both these players on for good money so we have profited from the more money players are worth but picking up more from this country is getting harder because of the costs, the financial pressures on clubs are increasing as players and agents are after more all the time, the gravey train of the prem if now filtering down to the championship and below, when a championship club can spend 20 million on one player that’s proberbly over 5 times our entire budget you have to wonder where we are going to get players from to take the club forward.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 8, 2017 18:29:53 GMT
You'd have to say that we're six or seven heavy in that respect - we'd be better off trading half a dozen squad players in for two cracking starters. There's half a dozen in our squad I wouldn't swap you a prawn cocktail for. In total.
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Nov 8, 2017 18:55:10 GMT
The issue is not so much where they come from, but more where they can cope with L1. The League of Ireland is supposed to be L1/2 standard. Hoban was their player of the year, and couldn't even hack it in the Conference. Hemmings is just as bad. To get out of L1, you need 6-7 proven players at that level. Payne is a very good L1 player. Henry is perfectly decent at L1. A spine of those types of players and you can afford to take a punt on 1-2 not used to that level. Pep's problem is that he has taken too many players unproven at this level. So far his gambles are either unproven/injured or hilariously useless...Tiandelli. The only success has been Ricardinho. I am also a fan of 22+3. Ship out some 5-6 of the deadwood in January, get in 2-3 proper L1 players and we'll be fine. Otherwise we could be in for a tricky season.
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Post by Colin B on Nov 8, 2017 19:11:12 GMT
The issue is not so much where they come from, but more where they can cope with L1. The League of Ireland is supposed to be L1/2 standard. Hoban was their player of the year, and couldn't even hack it in the Conference. Hemmings is just as bad. To get out of L1, you need 6-7 proven players at that level. Payne is a very good L1 player. Henry is perfectly decent at L1. A spine of those types of players and you can afford to take a punt on 1-2 not used to that level. Pep's problem is that he has taken too many players unproven at this level. So far his gambles are either unproven/injured or hilariously useless...Tiandelli. The only success has been Ricardinho. I am also a fan of 22+3. Ship out some 5-6 of the deadwood in January, get in 2-3 proper L1 players and we'll be fine. Otherwise we could be in for a tricky season. Has Tiendelli shagged your Mrs or something? You can't seem to post anything without slagging the bloke off.
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Nov 8, 2017 19:50:02 GMT
Not that I know of! I'm sure he's a lovely chap. But I travelled 800 miles (I live in London) to Vale and Fleetwood. Both times he was just horrific. By the end of the Vale game, it was almost funny. If we released him tomorrow he would not get another pro contract with anyone. He is that bad. He does try to be fair. He just looks bewildered.
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Post by Millman on Nov 9, 2017 8:37:05 GMT
I think it’s been mentioned about the rising cost of players, the market is changing the days of picking untried decent players up (Roofe and Johnston) are are very hard to find, we sold both these players on for good money so we have profited from the more money players are worth but picking up more from this country is getting harder because of the costs, the financial pressures on clubs are increasing as players and agents are after more all the time, the gravey train of the prem if now filtering down to the championship and below, when a championship club can spend 20 million on one player that’s proberbly over 5 times our entire budget you have to wonder where we are going to get players from to take the club forward. All of this is a very fair comment. However what I struggle with is that overnight (or at least since last season) the market is changed. It was a testament to our scouts that we found such players but its almost like they just gave up on looking at home (or were told to) and decided to surf the market for some euro trash (bit harsh that maybe). I still believe the players were out there if we stuck to our model, and that we could have afforded some (especially if we had reduced the numbers of players in the squad). I think we nearly all agree that looking elsewhere in Europe is not a policy that is working well for us so far (or indeed has worked well for many at this level). In which case what choice do we have. We either find good solid players from around this league and youngsters falling down from above, pay the price, and be able to compete and push on, or we take massive risks on older players and other players from around the world and gamble everything. If these are our options then is what we are really saying we can't really compete financially in this league?
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Post by yellowbow on Nov 9, 2017 13:18:47 GMT
With the amount of youngsters that seem to get dropped every summer by premier league clubs coupled with the success these age groups seem to be having at the moment ( the English under 17 & 20 teams for example) I find it hard to believe that the players good enough to be developed at league 1 level aren't out there. I suppose these players get used to being payed around 5 - 10k a week and maybe price themselves out of the market..?
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