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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 11, 2017 12:31:50 GMT
The difference between us and Vale/County is the sort of player we are bringing in (apart from Xemi). There is a different pedigree to Ivo and Gino who have played in European competitions and will be more aware of different styles of football. It's not foolproof, but there is more method there than just signing a bunch of randoms.
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Post by socrates on Aug 11, 2017 14:23:56 GMT
At least one of them will hit the ground running and be sold for mega millions, you heard it here first. I think it might be Tiendalli, weirdly enough... Conversely, at least one of them will be a massive flop. If four out of the five prove their worth, then an 80% success rate can't be argued with. It's gonna be some ride, let me tell you. Ahgree with most of that apart from Tiendalli being sold for mega millions. He's one a one-year contract with a year out of the game and is almost as old as me. He will be solid but won't be here next season. I think Ricardinho is going to really nail it and possibly IVo, too. Those 2 will be the success stories. But Xemi I fear for. He's on a 3 year deal which I take comfort from. Can pep get it that wrong? We don't hand out deals like that very regularly. GVK could be anything. If he is capable of 15 goals and has the pace he professes to have, he is the one signing we have made who could be saleable. But it's a major gamble from Pep. The recruitment policy has shifted considerably (not saying it's wrong). If he has got these guys wrong then it will cost his career as a manager
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Post by Best Mate on Aug 11, 2017 14:33:47 GMT
Also depends how you define success and failure this season.
Having lost the manager, skipper, top league scorer and the youngster with an eye for goal that we wanted to keep in the summer - you could argue that this season really is a bedding in season and if we finish 10th - that will be decent for an assault next year.
There will be others who will think if we do not finish higher than last season it is a disaster.
I am in the former camp - a top half finish after the disruption of the summer and hopefully a few of the new players settled will let us kick on for a more proactive summer as oppose to the reactive summer we had this year.
Of course, would be delighted if we could push on....
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Post by scotters on Aug 11, 2017 14:42:34 GMT
Also depends how you define success and failure this season. Having lost the manager, skipper, top league scorer and the youngster with an eye for goal that we wanted to keep in the summer - you could argue that this season really is a bedding in season and if we finish 10th - that will be decent for an assault next year. There will be others who will think if we do not finish higher than last season it is a disaster. I am in the former camp - a top half finish after the disruption of the summer and hopefully a few of the new players settled will let us kick on for a more proactive summer as oppose to the reactive summer we had this year. Of course, would be delighted if we could push on.... Same here, I wouldn't be popping the champagne at an 8th-12th finish but I think realistically it would have to count as a positive start for the new setup, particularly if the club is in a position to invest in improvement for the season after.
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Post by Best Mate on Aug 11, 2017 16:15:33 GMT
My interest is in the new striker - what would he need to score this year to make is think 800K is a good investment?
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 11, 2017 16:22:37 GMT
My interest is in the new striker - what would he need to score this year to make is think 800K is a good investment? Goals
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Post by bobsyouruncle on Aug 11, 2017 16:26:57 GMT
My interest is in the new striker - what would he need to score this year to make is think 800K is a good investment? To score more over the season than McAleney and Pitman. He is already two behind them!
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Post by Best Mate on Aug 11, 2017 18:37:41 GMT
My interest is in the new striker - what would he need to score this year to make is think 800K is a good investment? Goals Amusing. How many?
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 11, 2017 18:42:33 GMT
15 league 20 total
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Post by witney50 on Aug 11, 2017 19:17:23 GMT
If he scores 20 goals there will be other clubs sniffing ... Would we sign him for 800k as per deal and is the deal exclusive to oufc, then move him straight on?
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 12, 2017 9:07:49 GMT
Also depends how you define success and failure this season. Having lost the manager, skipper, top league scorer and the youngster with an eye for goal that we wanted to keep in the summer - you could argue that this season really is a bedding in season and if we finish 10th - that will be decent for an assault next year. There will be others who will think if we do not finish higher than last season it is a disaster. I am in the former camp - a top half finish after the disruption of the summer and hopefully a few of the new players settled will let us kick on for a more proactive summer as oppose to the reactive summer we had this year. Of course, would be delighted if we could push on.... I think that's sensible. I guess the question is whether we are ever going to get a sufficiently settled side to have a realistic pop at promotion. From having almost no players over the age of 28, we now have four players of 32/33. It's statistically unlikely that they are all going to play on into their mid 30s. And then we are needing to see 2 to 3 promising youngsters move on every summer to fund the structural loss we make as a result of not owning our own stadium. And then we are starting to ever back down the loannee path, which is no recipe for stability. In short, I would be very surprised if there were not another high turnover of players next summer - 7 or 8 plus, out of 20. I think that if Appleton had been allowed to keep what he had at the end of last season and add 2 or 3 we would all be sat here right now pretty confident of a top 6 finish. As it is, I have no idea. It wouldn't be the biggest surprise to me if we finish 6th. But not would I fall off my chair in shock if we finish 16th. With the exception of pekalski, most of the foreign players are simply unknown quantities, either because they are ageing/ haven't played for a while or because they are young and almost totally unproven. If 3 of them prove to be top'end league 1 quality then we should do ok. But if it ends up being lower than that thenit could be a bit if a struggle, as it was for Vale last year.
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Post by cass63 on Aug 12, 2017 9:30:57 GMT
Got to say I don't like it, we seem like a cheap premier league side, tbfuth have a good saying, against modern football, never a true word spoken. It's like giving the green light to transfers like naymars, ridiculous. An exciting player like jack Payne comes to the club and we all love it, we've seen him play and know about him, pep says the new players need to watch today's game to see what the English game is all about, wtf, if they don't know why sign them. I love my club but don't like the way it's going, no wonder the national team wins f*ck all.
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Post by Yellow River on Aug 13, 2017 7:19:30 GMT
Well two of our overseas signings certainly made an impact!
Thought Ricardinho was excellent particularly in the second half, some top quality distribution from left back.
Dream start for Gino, smashed it past the Pompey goalkeeper.
Disappointing news for Ivo and the club, he must be gutted, hopefully a speedy recovery.
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Post by thehorse on Aug 13, 2017 7:57:06 GMT
"Against modern football"
Sorry, but what a load of rubbish.
Football now is what it is and OUFC are a part of that, if you want us to be against that then in my eyes you are also saying you don't want us to be successful.
Let's go back to the old days where players weren't managing diets correctly, training facilities and pitches were not upto scratch and the recruitment was done by a scout with a notepad and favours from mates
Or
Shall we allow our players to eat correctly, have access to facilities which allow them to prepare, and just as importantly, recover as effectively as possible and that we scout players properly before making bids for them.
I know I'd prefer signings like:
nelson over Phil whelan Eastwood over mike salmon Skarz over Neil McGowan Roofe over manny omoyimni
Aslong as the players that come in are better than what we have and work hard for the team and help the club to be successful then what does it matter where they come from.
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Post by lambchop on Aug 13, 2017 12:42:21 GMT
To be honest I can't see it working, they won't score any goals and we will never keep clean sheets with a load of injury prone, journey men jolly foreigners....I expect us to get 0 points from our first 2 games and be bottom of the league all season
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Post by aylesburyrich on Aug 13, 2017 15:36:30 GMT
To be honest I can't see it working, they won't score any goals and we will never keep clean sheets with a load of injury prone, journey men jolly foreigners....I expect us to get 0 points from our first 2 games and be bottom of the league all season Agreed, Oldham and Portsmouth will be too strong for us. Our foreigners will be outmuscled by them easily
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Post by gingerox on Aug 13, 2017 15:46:22 GMT
To be honest I can't see it working, they won't score any goals and we will never keep clean sheets with a load of injury prone, journey men jolly foreigners....I expect us to get 0 points from our first 2 games and be bottom of the league all season Agreed, Oldham and Portsmouth will be too strong for us. Our foreigners will be outmuscled by them easily That cup game vs Cheltenhem should be a walkover though
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Post by lambchop on Aug 13, 2017 16:47:46 GMT
Agreed, Oldham and Portsmouth will be too strong for us. Our foreigners will be outmuscled by them easily That cup game vs Cheltenhem should be a walkover though Bloody easy I recon we will beat them 3-1
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Post by Yellow River on Sept 8, 2017 7:31:23 GMT
All these overseas signings! I make that 5 in total now, Tiendalli, Ricardinho, Xemi, Pekalski, Van Kassel plus a Spanish manager. So how do we all feel about it? I really don't quite know what to make of it all, suppose I'm a mixture of bemused, excited, apprehensive, intrigued, positive, negative. We have to trust Pep on this, quite a gamble I'd say but if it comes off the potential rewards are huge. Shades of Ramon Diaz.? Interesting season ahead for sure. And so it continues....... Albanian international striker Agon Mehmeti signs on a one year deal. Strange days indeed!
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Post by Marked Ox on Sept 8, 2017 7:52:51 GMT
All these overseas signings! I make that 5 in total now, Tiendalli, Ricardinho, Xemi, Pekalski, Van Kassel plus a Spanish manager. So how do we all feel about it? I really don't quite know what to make of it all, suppose I'm a mixture of bemused, excited, apprehensive, intrigued, positive, negative. We have to trust Pep on this, quite a gamble I'd say but if it comes off the potential rewards are huge. Shades of Ramon Diaz.? Interesting season ahead for sure. And so it continues....... Albanian international striker Agon Mehmeti signs on a one year deal. Strange days indeed! They can all speak decent English* though so communication won't be a problem. *When compared to all the Scousers last season it'll be an improvement.
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Post by Yellow River on Nov 4, 2017 10:24:25 GMT
All these overseas signings! I make that 5 in total now, Tiendalli, Ricardinho, Xemi, Pekalski, Van Kassel plus a Spanish manager. So how do we all feel about it? I really don't quite know what to make of it all, suppose I'm a mixture of bemused, excited, apprehensive, intrigued, positive, negative. We have to trust Pep on this, quite a gamble I'd say but if it comes off the potential rewards are huge. Shades of Ramon Diaz.? Interesting season ahead for sure. And so it continues....... Albanian international striker Agon Mehmeti signs on a one year deal. Strange days indeed! Apart from our Brazilian leftback (currently injured) the foreign legion has been pretty disappointing so far. Perhaps some bad luck with injuries, but gambles have been taken which so far haven't paid off. In my view too much quantity and not enough quality in the squad.
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Post by berliner on Nov 4, 2017 15:16:19 GMT
At least one of them will hit the ground running and be sold for mega millions, you heard it here first. I think it might be Tiendalli, weirdly enough... Conversely, at least one of them will be a massive flop. If four out of the five prove their worth, then an 80% success rate can't be argued with. It's gonna be some ride, let me tell you. I may have been a teeny weeny bit optimistic... Still, let's see how it all pans out. Tiendalli may be absolutely OK with a bit of match fitness. Xemi with sparks of optimism. Pekalski and Mehmeti not seen yet, whether because of sheer bad luck or poor basic health is yet to be seen. Ricardinho definitely with a touch of class, Gino ditto when he chooses to. Should be noted that none of Pep's signings, whether overseas or not, have convinced entirely. Will the picture be clearer after the January window or end of season? Who knows...
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 4, 2017 15:41:01 GMT
Gino is a joke footballer, brainless.
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Post by bluealice on Nov 4, 2017 21:27:03 GMT
We moved from Oxford for the self same reason......to many f*cking foreigners!!
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Post by makv on Nov 4, 2017 21:34:21 GMT
We moved from Oxford for the self same reason......to many f*cking foreigners!! WTF?
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Post by headingtonutd on Nov 5, 2017 9:31:42 GMT
We moved from Oxford for the self same reason......to many f*cking foreigners!! Maybe you should move abroad to get away from all these f*cking foreigners ?
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Nov 5, 2017 9:38:46 GMT
The only one definitely up to L1 standard is Ricardinho. Have to suspend judgement on the others until we see them play a few games. Apart from Tiandelli. I have seen him twice in the last week, I cannot put into words just how bad he is....
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Post by Barts on Nov 5, 2017 9:44:47 GMT
The only one definitely up to L1 standard is Ricardinho. Have to suspend judgement on the others until we see them play a few games. Apart from Tiandelli. I have seen him twice in the last week, I cannot put into words just how bad he is.... If he's worse than van kessell, we really have problems!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 5, 2017 10:58:31 GMT
The difference between us and Vale/County is the sort of player we are bringing in (apart from Xemi). There is a different pedigree to Ivo and Gino who have played in European competitions and will be more aware of different styles of football. It's not foolproof, but there is more method there than just signing a bunch of randoms. Care to elucidate on that last sentence?
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 5, 2017 12:23:27 GMT
I can't say I've been overly impressed with all of our overseas signing but i wouldn't say I'm overly disappointed either.
There is some quality, some not consistent and some I don't think we have seen enough of to judge. His other signings I like.
Let us also remember that the signing of obika was already agreed by Appleton and delayed until pep come in.
James Henry was a good signing. He has not got worse, is not too old. He plays how he plays and the way he plays has earnt him 3 promotions from this league.
Shearer has come in for what he was needed for, to sit on the bench.
Williamson started well but since losing his place in the team hasn't impressed. He is a player of quality and I'm hoping will prove his worth later on in the season.
I like mousinho, he has come in and done ok and I expect him to get better.
The loan signings of mowatt and Payne are good deals. Payne has a silly amount of assists already, he goes missing on the odd game but if he performed to his potential every game he wouldn't be here.
I think mowatt has had a tough start, his natural position is where Payne plays and he has competition with hall and Rothwell on the left. A good run of games and he will do well.
Overall I'm happy with the progress, the season is still there for the taking. The old cliche about concentrating on the league because we are out of the cups will help us. We have really struggled the last two seasons in the 2nd half due to the fixture congestion.
It's going to be a bit up and down for the next couple of months but I'm interested in seeing what Pep does in January. Now he is managing in this league he will be analysing what he needs to push on and i reckon we will see alot of activity in January, but I also think we will see people out of the door to fund it and also because we have a few players who are not up to it.
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