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Post by d3d4 on Aug 1, 2017 9:44:23 GMT
Hi all,
In our latest Podcast we look at what the Neymar transfer means for football at a League One and Two level.
Do you see these ridiculously priced transfers as dangerous for football.
I see it as one of the main causes of wage inflation in the lower divisions and it encourages players to use agents to try and squeeze as much out of clubs as they can...not good
Podcast
Your thoughts? James D3D4
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Post by pooshooter on Aug 1, 2017 12:13:06 GMT
No
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 1, 2017 12:20:41 GMT
Although I find the bleating from Barca and La Liga about it amusing.
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Post by bigronaldo on Aug 2, 2017 9:11:56 GMT
Inflated prices for players is hardly a new thing. I am afraid that I am old enough to remember Trevor Francis becoming the first million pound transfer when he signed for Nottingham Forest many years ago. The same questions were asked then too. I guess the one thing to remember is that a player (like many things) is only worth what people are prepared to pay. If it is not financially viable to buy at a certain price, then you would hope that common sense would prevail. However, some football clubs have mortgaged themselves hopelessly to the hilt on the prospect of future success. Even Using their possible future gate receipts as sureity. That kind of business plan is just plain madness, and you have to wonder if it is actually better for football as a whole if these clubs were to come crashing down, if only to serve as an example of their foolishness.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Aug 2, 2017 9:27:04 GMT
No it isn't a good thing.
It's not good for any football (worldwide) that doesn't benefit from the billions provided by TV It's not good for the lower league clubs in countries where the bulk of TV money goes to a minority of clubs It's not actually good for 'elite' clubs, who are having to spend beyond their means to be competitive with each other It's not good for the image of the game - it just reeks of greed
It's good for the agents, who make a killing It's good for TV as it increases the hype and makes clubs even more dependent on them
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Post by cj on Aug 2, 2017 9:55:56 GMT
Ridiculous!!!
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Post by Boogaloo on Aug 2, 2017 10:01:47 GMT
There's inflated prices, and then there's just plain crazy, and this is plain crazy. If Neymar does go to PSG for the £196 million reported, that would be double the previous world record that Man Utd paid for Paul Pogba. Where will it end? 20 years ago, Inter Milan broke the world record by signing the Brazilian Ronaldo for a comparative bargain of 'only' £19.5 million - a tenth of the amount PSG could be forking out for Neymar. Dare I say it, but in the next 10-20 years we may very well be seeing the first £1 billion transfer.
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Post by Junior on Aug 2, 2017 10:48:28 GMT
I wonder if Neymar's previous club have got a sell on clause 😂
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Post by tonyw on Aug 2, 2017 16:58:58 GMT
As an aside, though - is this the beginning of the end of the Spanish grip on European football?
Whatever some on here might like to pretend, they have absolutely dominated for the past five years. Mostly because La Liga didn't have any form of collective bargaining until 2016, and therefore their top clubs have been able to syphon off most of the TV and merchandising money and spend it on crazy galactico signings (and, to be fair, impressive academy infrastructure).
But now the Premier League has a vastly bigger TV deal than La Liga - probably for the most part because it's a more competitive league - and the financial resources of the big English clubs are seemingly starting to match, if not go beyond that of Barca/Real. Throw in the Qatari sovereign wealth fund (aka PSG) and their money-no-object approach, and I think it's going to be less and less likely for Spanish super teams to be dominant for the foreseeable future.
Not that this means anything good for most of the rest of football. It clearly doesn't.
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Post by worleox42 on Aug 2, 2017 17:44:35 GMT
Who will be the first half a billion and who will be the first million... all getting silly now and the gulf between normal sides and the elite is growing wider by the day... football is getting out of hand and see a huge crash occurring shortly...unsustainable
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 2, 2017 17:59:57 GMT
I am not certain this means that we will be seeing £200 million upwards transfers regularly for a long while yet. It's not really a transfer between two football clubs but a tiny oil rich state spending a fraction of its wealth on sport as a PR exercise, just like how it bought the World Cup.
This is a marquee signing to announce that they can compete with Madrid and Barcelona, after the embarrassment of not even winning the French league last season (which won't happen again), but it's not going to be enough for them to win the champions league.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 2, 2017 18:06:31 GMT
As an aside, though - is this the beginning of the end of the Spanish grip on European football? Whatever some on here might like to pretend, they have absolutely dominated for the past five years. Mostly because La Liga didn't have any form of collective bargaining until 2016, and therefore their top clubs have been able to syphon off most of the TV and merchandising money and spend it on crazy galactico signings (and, to be fair, impressive academy infrastructure). But now the Premier League has a vastly bigger TV deal than La Liga - probably for the most part because it's a more competitive league - and the financial resources of the big English clubs are seemingly starting to match, if not go beyond that of Barca/Real. Throw in the Qatari sovereign wealth fund (aka PSG) and their money-no-object approach, and I think it's going to be less and less likely for Spanish super teams to be dominant for the foreseeable future. Not that this means anything good for most of the rest of football. It clearly doesn't. Maybe it's so Barcelona can't beat PSG with a 4-0 goal head start again? If Barcelona sign Coutinho I would still take him, Messi and Suarez over any other forward line outside of Real Madrids, even if the rest of Barcelonas team has question marks over it in places. Madrid just won back to back Champions league, in neither game were they up against premier league opposition which suggest the gaps still quite large between the elite from Spain and England. Premier league clubs buy expensive players but they are quite often players that the la liga two don't want.
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Post by tonyw on Aug 2, 2017 18:33:48 GMT
Maybe it's so Barcelona can't beat PSG with a 4-0 goal head start again? If Barcelona sign Coutinho I would still take him, Messi and Suarez over any other forward line outside of Real Madrids, even if the rest of Barcelonas team has question marks over it in places. Madrid just won back to back Champions league, in neither game were they up against premier league opposition which suggest the gaps still quite large between the elite from Spain and England. Premier league clubs buy expensive players but they are quite often players that the la liga two don't want.My theory is that this was the case, up until last season. But with the new Premier League TV deal, it no longer is. And that, as a result, the gap will start to diminish again. And it is undoubtedly true that this Neymar transfer is something Barca wanted to avoid - but they seemingly can't financially compete with PSG in offering obscene wages. Barca haven't bought anyone in the last couple of years that was particularly a Premier League target. They may now buy Coutinho for an inflated price - but only because they've received such a ridiculous wedge from PSG. Real also haven't bought anyone....they may get Mbappe from Monaco - but to finance that, they've had to raise 100m Euros from player sales. And you might take Coutinho/Messi/Suarez now....but the latter two are 30 years old. Still got 2-3 years left at the top undoubtedly, but then will have to be replaced.....
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Post by Mark on Aug 2, 2017 18:46:37 GMT
Just redistribution of wealth from the oligarch who owns PSG.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 2, 2017 19:05:01 GMT
Maybe it's so Barcelona can't beat PSG with a 4-0 goal head start again? If Barcelona sign Coutinho I would still take him, Messi and Suarez over any other forward line outside of Real Madrids, even if the rest of Barcelonas team has question marks over it in places. Madrid just won back to back Champions league, in neither game were they up against premier league opposition which suggest the gaps still quite large between the elite from Spain and England. Premier league clubs buy expensive players but they are quite often players that the la liga two don't want.My theory is that this was the case, up until last season. But with the new Premier League TV deal, it no longer is. And that, as a result, the gap will start to diminish again. And it is undoubtedly true that this Neymar transfer is something Barca wanted to avoid - but they seemingly can't financially compete with PSG in offering obscene wages. Barca haven't bought anyone in the last couple of years that was particularly a Premier League target. They may now buy Coutinho for an inflated price - but only because they've received such a ridiculous wedge from PSG. Real also haven't bought anyone....they may get Mbappe from Monaco - but to finance that, they've had to raise 100m Euros from player sales. And you might take Coutinho/Messi/Suarez now....but the latter two are 30 years old. Still got 2-3 years left at the top undoubtedly, but then will have to be replaced..... But if the reports of Neymars attitude and partying are true then PSG may have just paid an absolute fortune for a problem. I should imagine Paris is the sort of city you can go out every night if you want, and if you are wealthy beyond belief like Neymar now is then he will never be short of temptations, while I can see the French league boring him, it's a step down in standard and stature. If Messi tails off in 3 seasons he might only be one of the best players in the world not the best, if his body holds up enough then I can see him being effective up until 35 such is his ability, Neymar will probably have gone off the rails before then. I would take Coutinho and £90 million over Neymar anyway, don't think the gap between the two is that big.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 2, 2017 21:02:43 GMT
On the face of it, Barca saying they will report PSG about FIFA fair play looks like they are being childish but for the game it is a good thing if UFEA do look into it because how can one team pay £198 MILLION for just 1 player?
I also question Neymar's motive behind the move. The french league is very poor where as although Spain only have 4 or 5 really good sides it is still a lot better than Ligue 1.
I also like that Barca have said, if you want him then you have to pay up front for him. If a club can afford to spend £198MILLION on one player then they can afford to pay it up front.
The gap between the english premier league and the spanish leagues is IMO the tax laws. Although if I'm correct Spain have changed their tax brackets? Players know in this country half their wage will go to the tax man. Players such as Gerrard were clever who demanded to be paid £120K after tax but this was published as him earning £120K a week and the press never got on to it.
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Post by oldham on Aug 3, 2017 5:59:33 GMT
Inflated prices for players is hardly a new thing. I am afraid that I am old enough to remember Trevor Francis becoming the first million pound transfer when he signed for Nottingham Forest many years ago. The same questions were asked then too. I guess the one thing to remember is that a player (like many things) is only worth what people are prepared to pay. If it is not financially viable to buy at a certain price, then you would hope that common sense would prevail. However, some football clubs have mortgaged themselves hopelessly to the hilt on the prospect of future success. Even Using their possible future gate receipts as sureity. That kind of business plan is just plain madness, and you have to wonder if it is actually better for football as a whole if these clubs were to come crashing down, if only to serve as an example of their foolishness. I actually blame you for all this mate, if you hadn't signed for Barcelona for all that money years ago it would never have come to this.....😁
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Post by bigronaldo on Aug 3, 2017 6:21:10 GMT
Sorry Oldham, I didn't realise that Big Ron (Atkinson) and Aldo (John Aldridge) signed for Barcelona!!
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Post by oldham on Aug 3, 2017 8:08:20 GMT
Sorry Oldham, I didn't realise that Big Ron (Atkinson) and Aldo (John Aldridge) signed for Barcelona!! Barca might have won something if they had! 😂
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 3, 2017 8:18:01 GMT
On the face of it, Barca saying they will report PSG about FIFA fair play looks like they are being childish but for the game it is a good thing if UFEA do look into it because how can one team pay £198 MILLION for just 1 player? I also question Neymar's motive behind the move. The french league is very poor where as although Spain only have 4 or 5 really good sides it is still a lot better than Ligue 1. I also like that Barca have said, if you want him then you have to pay up front for him. If a club can afford to spend £198MILLION on one player then they can afford to pay it up front. The gap between the english premier league and the spanish leagues is IMO the tax laws. Although if I'm correct Spain have changed their tax brackets? Players know in this country half their wage will go to the tax man. Players such as Gerrard were clever who demanded to be paid £120K after tax but this was published as him earning £120K a week and the press never got on to it. Neymar's motive may be to be the central player in a team rather than being Messi's shadow/sidekick.
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Post by tonyw on Aug 3, 2017 17:02:29 GMT
Neymar's motive may be to be the central player in a team rather than being Messi's shadow/sidekick. I'm sure that's it, and nothing to do with the 45m Euros a year they're going to pay him.
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 3, 2017 17:37:51 GMT
Neymar's motive may be to be the central player in a team rather than being Messi's shadow/sidekick. I'm sure that's it, and nothing to do with the 45m Euros a year they're going to pay him. I'm sure money may be involved but other motives may be involved as well as they this interesting BBC article discusses: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40804584As an aside, the sour grapes from La Liga in this article is fantastic: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40814854Especially the moaning about State funding, with some of the 'interesting' financial dealings between Real Madrid and their Council/Municipal Authorities.
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