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Post by concretebob on Jul 31, 2017 20:17:35 GMT
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jul 31, 2017 20:25:47 GMT
It's their whole MO nowadays. Look different, do silly things because our legacy looks better if we do it. By all means change things that matter, but it's just the usual PR fluff.
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 31, 2017 20:31:07 GMT
How is this supposed to be better than the old system? Have they given any reason for the change? Or is it just another example of trying to look busy to justify their jobs?
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Post by bashamwonderland on Jul 31, 2017 20:32:53 GMT
The EFL should be controlled, owned and run by the fans.
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Post by holdsteady on Jul 31, 2017 20:35:02 GMT
The EFL should be controlled, owned and run by the fans. First thing would be to change the name back to the Football League.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Jul 31, 2017 20:42:23 GMT
The EFL should be controlled, owned and run by the fans. First thing would be to change the name back to the Football League. Followed by a cap on ticket prices and the purge of bourgeois owners. Each club to be owned by a collective of the fans. 9 players in every matchday squad must be British. No loans from Premier League clubs. Soviet national anthem to be played before every game. Wait, since when did communism and football go so well together...
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 1, 2017 5:49:53 GMT
The reason for the change is to reduce the pressure on the team taking the 2nd penalty?! Surely the pressure of a penalty shoot out is part of the excitement?
Soon fans will only be allowed to sing about their own team in case they upset the other team with some nasty chants!
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Post by brassmonkey on Aug 1, 2017 6:50:10 GMT
Under this new format does team A win if they score first penalty. Team B misses first 2 penalties. Team A scores next 2.
Sent from my SM-G930F using proboards
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Post by foley on Aug 1, 2017 7:14:04 GMT
The reason for the change is to reduce the pressure on the team taking the 2nd penalty?! Surely the pressure of a penalty shoot out is part of the excitement? Soon fans will only be allowed to sing about their own team in case they upset the other team with some nasty chants! I think that statistically the team taking the first penalty has a much better chance of winning. So this is trying to even it up a little meaning that if there is a long penalty shoot out, both teams have the chance to put the pressure on the other team. I can't see the problem with it myself. There is a lot more wrong with things happening in football than trying a slight change in the penalty shoot out (which it is rare to be in anyway)
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Post by foley on Aug 1, 2017 7:16:00 GMT
Under this new format does team A win if they score first penalty. Team B misses first 2 penalties. Team A scores next 2. Sent from my SM-G930F using proboards I assume that it is still the best of 5 so no, Team B could still get 3 as they will only have taken 2 penalties to date in your scenario.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 1, 2017 7:23:31 GMT
The reason for the change is to reduce the pressure on the team taking the 2nd penalty?! Surely the pressure of a penalty shoot out is part of the excitement? Soon fans will only be allowed to sing about their own team in case they upset the other team with some nasty chants! I think that statistically the team taking the first penalty has a much better chance of winning. So this is trying to even it up a little meaning that if there is a long penalty shoot out, both teams have the chance to put the pressure on the other team. I can't see the problem with it myself. There is a lot more wrong with things happening in football than trying a slight change in the penalty shoot out (which it is rare to be in anyway) Where do you stop though? Remove the coin toss before the game because the home team may get an advantage? Sometimes the luck of the draw is the luck of the draw.
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Post by foley on Aug 1, 2017 8:12:25 GMT
I think that statistically the team taking the first penalty has a much better chance of winning. So this is trying to even it up a little meaning that if there is a long penalty shoot out, both teams have the chance to put the pressure on the other team. I can't see the problem with it myself. There is a lot more wrong with things happening in football than trying a slight change in the penalty shoot out (which it is rare to be in anyway) Where do you stop though? Remove the coin toss before the game because the home team may get an advantage? Sometimes the luck of the draw is the luck of the draw. It's trying to make it slightly fairer. I just can't see why anybody would have a particular issue with it. Er no don't stop the coin of the toss to start with.
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Post by backonthecoupon on Aug 1, 2017 10:56:46 GMT
Statistically the better team has a better chance of winning a shoot out.
So, to reduce the pressure on the weaker team, they should also handicap the better team. Open to ideas how to do this, my immediate inclination is to blindfold them and spin them round 5 times, tail on the donkey style.
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Post by Mark on Aug 1, 2017 11:16:39 GMT
I believe the logic is that:- 1 - you are much more likely to score a penalty than not. 2 - taking a penalty when the opponent has already taken a kick has more pressure and so perhaps a slightly lower likelihood of scoring.
Assuming the first two goals are scored by team A then team B, then having the next two taken by team B then team B reverses the 'benefit' of the AB AB AB AB AB normal routine.
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 1, 2017 12:16:24 GMT
Statistically the better team has a better chance of winning a shoot out. So, to reduce the pressure on the weaker team, they should also handicap the better team. Open to ideas how to do this, my immediate inclination is to blindfold them and spin them round 5 times, tail on the donkey style. I like this idea. In addition to the blindfold and spin 5 times, they have a lucky dip which tells them which foot to take it with, whether side foot or hammered shot and which part of the goal to aim at. Could also have a lucky dip for which players from a team take the penalty and what order.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 1, 2017 12:54:14 GMT
Where do you stop though? Remove the coin toss before the game because the home team may get an advantage? Sometimes the luck of the draw is the luck of the draw. It's trying to make it slightly fairer. I just can't see why anybody would have a particular issue with it. Er no don't stop the coin of the toss to start with. Where do you stop on the fairness part? Part of football is about pressure and penalty shoot outs are the epitome of that. Why not have teams take all 5 one after the other instead? Or have every player take one? Or even have 1 player take 5?
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Post by makv on Aug 1, 2017 13:57:49 GMT
It's trying to make it slightly fairer. I just can't see why anybody would have a particular issue with it. Er no don't stop the coin of the toss to start with. Where do you stop on the fairness part? Part of football is about pressure and penalty shoot outs are the epitome of that. Why not have teams take all 5 one after the other instead? Or have every player take one? Or even have 1 player take 5? And why 5? Why not just go straight to sudden death?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 1, 2017 20:31:42 GMT
Where do you stop on the fairness part? Part of football is about pressure and penalty shoot outs are the epitome of that. Why not have teams take all 5 one after the other instead? Or have every player take one? Or even have 1 player take 5? And why 5? Why not just go straight to sudden death? Agree. Other than making yourself look busy, Abba is just rearranging deck chairs of the Titanic. Time for the EFL to be truly brave
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Post by MJB on Aug 1, 2017 22:34:03 GMT
Where do you stop though? Remove the coin toss before the game because the home team may get an advantage? Sometimes the luck of the draw is the luck of the draw. It's trying to make it slightly fairer. I just can't see why anybody would have a particular issue with it. Er no don't stop the coin of the toss to start with. Yup. I believe the figure is 60% of all penalty shootouts are won by the team taking first which is statistically significant over the number of games looked at. Can't see anything wrong with this, aside from purists being able to trot out the classic line that the "game's gone".
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Post by makv on Aug 1, 2017 23:42:53 GMT
And why 5? Why not just go straight to sudden death? Agree. Other than making yourself look busy, Abba is just rearranging deck chairs of the Titanic. Time for the EFL to be truly brave Team who scored the last goal goes second. Pressure!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 2, 2017 7:07:46 GMT
It's trying to make it slightly fairer. I just can't see why anybody would have a particular issue with it. Er no don't stop the coin of the toss to start with. Yup. I believe the figure is 60% of all penalty shootouts are won by the team taking first which is statistically significant over the number of games looked at. Can't see anything wrong with this, aside from purists being able to trot out the classic line that the "game's gone". Surely a better innovation to try would be to have shoot outs before extra time starts, so that teams know the result and it gives the loser the chance to win?
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Post by MJB on Aug 2, 2017 7:26:09 GMT
Yup. I believe the figure is 60% of all penalty shootouts are won by the team taking first which is statistically significant over the number of games looked at. Can't see anything wrong with this, aside from purists being able to trot out the classic line that the "game's gone". Surely a better innovation to try would be to have shoot outs before extra time starts, so that teams know the result and it gives the loser the chance to win? Or before the seasons starts even? Every possible combination of club has a quick shootout over the course of June and July - results are kept secret of course.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 2, 2017 7:56:00 GMT
Surely a better innovation to try would be to have shoot outs before extra time starts, so that teams know the result and it gives the loser the chance to win? Or before the seasons starts even? Every possible combination of club has a quick shootout over the course of June and July - results are kept secret of course. I can dig that. Why not draw lots for who to take penalties? The ultimate pressure pot
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Post by MJB on Aug 2, 2017 8:26:53 GMT
Or before the seasons starts even? Every possible combination of club has a quick shootout over the course of June and July - results are kept secret of course. I can dig that. Why not draw lots for who to take penalties? The ultimate pressure pot Tell me about it. My hand was shaking uncontrollably for this.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 2, 2017 12:35:45 GMT
Was it you that did the lines for the car park at Grenoble Road? Those lines are as shocking as the drawing...
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Post by MJB on Aug 2, 2017 13:58:26 GMT
Was it you that did the lines for the car park at Grenoble Road? Those lines are as shocking as the drawing... Yes those are the original plans. Note the terrible in/out route too for maximum annoyance.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 2, 2017 15:20:11 GMT
Was it you that did the lines for the car park at Grenoble Road? Those lines are as shocking as the drawing... Yes those are the original plans. Note the terrible in/out route too for maximum annoyance. You did the job well.
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Aug 2, 2017 20:32:49 GMT
Was it you that did the lines for the car park at Grenoble Road? Those lines are as shocking as the drawing... Yes those are the original plans. Note the terrible in/out route too for maximum annoyance. .... and the requirement for the car in the bottom left hand corner to perform a 23-point turn before exiting.
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Post by MJB on Aug 2, 2017 20:47:57 GMT
Yes those are the original plans. Note the terrible in/out route too for maximum annoyance. .... and the requirement for the car in the bottom left hand corner to perform a 23-point turn before exiting. Still pulls away quicker than Simon Heslop.
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