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Post by taffyewe on Jun 22, 2017 11:06:00 GMT
There has been little mention of DF's role as No 2. By the way, I am certain he will not want the managers role.
We all seem to be focusing on the loss of Mappy, but I have a feeling that DF's work might be massively underestimated and if he decided to retire (I would imagine that he is giving this serious consideration right now), it could be the difference between being successful and struggling.
Will we get a better No.2?
Personally, I think that DF should be heavily involved in the recruitment process. If we can keep him for a few more years it would keep the continuity of what has been built. If we lose him, there is a danger of hitting the reset button.
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Post by scotchegg on Jun 22, 2017 11:16:17 GMT
It's difficult as many of the better managers tend to bring in their own no.2 but I agree that we should look to keep him involved in the club if at all possible.
His experience and contacts will be invaluable but I get the feeling that he likes to be hands on in training and may not be keen on a 'behind the scenes' role.
Either way, he deserves as much recognitions as MApp for our recent successes.
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Post by tatabanya on Jun 22, 2017 11:27:54 GMT
There has been little mention of DF's role as No 2. By the way, I am certain he will not want the managers role. We all seem to be focusing on the loss of Mappy, but I have a feeling that DF's work might be massively underestimated and if he decided to retire (I would imagine that he is giving this serious consideration right now), it could be the difference between being successful and struggling. Will we get a better No.2? Personally, I think that DF should be heavily involved in the recruitment process. If we can keep him for a few more years it would keep the continuity of what has been built. If we lose him, there is a danger of hitting the reset button. Couldn't agree more. From what I have been told it is DF who is in charge of basically all training and coaching.
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Post by ovaltoyou on Jun 22, 2017 11:35:34 GMT
There has been little mention of DF's role as No 2. By the way, I am certain he will not want the managers role. We all seem to be focusing on the loss of Mappy, but I have a feeling that DF's work might be massively underestimated and if he decided to retire (I would imagine that he is giving this serious consideration right now), it could be the difference between being successful and struggling. Will we get a better No.2? Personally, I think that DF should be heavily involved in the recruitment process. If we can keep him for a few more years it would keep the continuity of what has been built. If we lose him, there is a danger of hitting the reset button. Agree with all this, hope he is.
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Post by socrates on Jun 22, 2017 11:57:35 GMT
Yeah, funny isn't it how no one ever pays attention to the no 2
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Post by winchesterox on Jun 22, 2017 12:06:54 GMT
Yeah, funny isn't it how no one ever pays attention to the no 2 I was going to post something rather comical about No 2's but have decided against it.....
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 22, 2017 12:12:22 GMT
It should be part of appointment process that any prospective head coach/manager will have to work with the existing coaching/backroom staff/infrastructure. If they don't want to then they aren't considered.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 22, 2017 12:20:14 GMT
To be fair, it seems like it was Faz that more of the on the field work, so he was very much integral to the team in him time here. No one is indispensable though
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Post by iambungle on Jun 22, 2017 12:31:20 GMT
There has been little mention of DF's role as No 2. By the way, I am certain he will not want the managers role. We all seem to be focusing on the loss of Mappy, but I have a feeling that DF's work might be massively underestimated and if he decided to retire (I would imagine that he is giving this serious consideration right now), it could be the difference between being successful and struggling. Will we get a better No.2? Personally, I think that DF should be heavily involved in the recruitment process. If we can keep him for a few more years it would keep the continuity of what has been built. If we lose him, there is a danger of hitting the reset button. Couldn't agree more. From what I have been told it is DF who is in charge of basically all training and coaching. But presumably under instruction and supervision of MApp? Otherwise MApp leaving to take up a position where he will be doing a fair bit of training and coaching would appear odd.
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Post by kahunaburger on Jun 22, 2017 12:40:28 GMT
Yeah, funny isn't it how no one ever pays attention to the no 2 I was going to post something rather comical about No 2's but have decided against it..... It would have been a shit joke anyway.
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Post by tatabanya on Jun 22, 2017 12:40:57 GMT
Couldn't agree more. From what I have been told it is DF who is in charge of basically all training and coaching. But presumably under instruction and supervision of MApp? Otherwise MApp leaving to take up a position where he will be doing a fair bit of training and coaching would appear odd. I was thinking about this yesterday. So, from what I have heard MApp spent very little, if any, time on the training field coaching the players. Obviously he was working with Faz on coaching strategy etc, but never implementing the ideas himself. So Craig Shakespeare has got the job who, by all accounts, is a training field coach and did much of that role in their whirlwind couple of seasons. So whilst Appleton is not the main man, maybe Shakespeare was after someone who could look after the strategy, discipline, media and 'managerial' sides of the job so that he could focus on his strengths. This would go some way to explaining why MApp was keen to go, if he wasn't carrying out the Assistant Manager role as we know it. These titles don't have responsibilities carved in stone. Speculation of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if his job spec at Leicester is very different to Faz's here.
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Post by cass63 on Jun 22, 2017 15:28:59 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me to see CA and DF given the jobs, bit of continuity, they will have the respect of the players which a need manager won't. It may even persuade maguire to stay.
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Post by salaghaf on Jun 22, 2017 16:56:48 GMT
I was going to post something rather comical about No 2's but have decided against it..... It would have been a shit joke anyway. Yeah, i reckon a right load of crap/
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Post by taffyewe on Jun 22, 2017 17:18:57 GMT
But presumably under instruction and supervision of MApp? Otherwise MApp leaving to take up a position where he will be doing a fair bit of training and coaching would appear odd. I was thinking about this yesterday. So, from what I have heard MApp spent very little, if any, time on the training field coaching the players. Obviously he was working with Faz on coaching strategy etc, but never implementing the ideas himself. So Craig Shakespeare has got the job who, by all accounts, is a training field coach and did much of that role in their whirlwind couple of seasons. So whilst Appleton is not the main man, maybe Shakespeare was after someone who could look after the strategy, discipline, media and 'managerial' sides of the job so that he could focus on his strengths. This would go some way to explaining why MApp was keen to go, if he wasn't carrying out the Assistant Manager role as we know it. These titles don't have responsibilities carved in stone. Speculation of course, but it wouldn't surprise me if his job spec at Leicester is very different to Faz's here. You may be onto something.
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Post by ox4eva on Jun 22, 2017 19:21:54 GMT
I think Faz will leave, he is not getting any younger and may not want to work under someone he does not know.
He has a lot of experience and I think he lives up north so something nearer his doorstep may suit him.
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Post by kahunaburger on Jun 22, 2017 19:33:15 GMT
I think Faz will leave, he is not getting any younger and may not want to work under someone he does not know. He has a lot of experience and I think he lives up north so something nearer his doorstep may suit him. Like Partick Thistle manager.... I hope he stays, he's been a big part of our progress.
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Post by ox4eva on Jun 23, 2017 5:49:32 GMT
I think Faz will leave, he is not getting any younger and may not want to work under someone he does not know. He has a lot of experience and I think he lives up north so something nearer his doorstep may suit him. Like Partick Thistle manager.... I hope he stays, he's been a big part of our progress. So do I, Faz has contributed more than many think but I have a feeling he might move on.
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Post by outsidethebox on Jun 23, 2017 6:38:50 GMT
Ironically, during the first season of MApp's tenure there was a thread on here asking what DE actually does and questioning his contribution.
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Post by didcotox on Jun 23, 2017 6:43:30 GMT
Clear from the article this morning that Faz isnt in the running for the managers spot. Eales wants a young and upcoming manager to work with the current set up.
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Post by taffyewe on Oct 19, 2017 20:30:20 GMT
Not sure if anyone has thought this through, but this is a VERY likely scenario.
Appy leaves Leicester in the next month. Appy gets new job in management Appy will almost certainly come after Faz
Hopefully Faz is too ingrained with Pep and he may hold a slight grudge that Appy left him in the lurch in the first place.
That said there is a chance Faz would leave. If that happens, we could have a problem.
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Post by MJB on Oct 19, 2017 21:40:38 GMT
Not sure if anyone has thought this through, but this is a VERY likely scenario. Appy leaves Leicester in the next month. Appy gets new job in management Appy will almost certainly come after Faz Hopefully Faz is too ingrained with Pep and he may hold a slight grudge that Appy left him in the lurch in the first place. That said there is a chance Faz would leave. If that happens, we could have a problem. VERY likely? Not sure about that.
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Post by taffyewe on Oct 20, 2017 16:46:37 GMT
Not sure if anyone has thought this through, but this is a VERY likely scenario. Appy leaves Leicester in the next month. Appy gets new job in management Appy will almost certainly come after Faz Hopefully Faz is too ingrained with Pep and he may hold a slight grudge that Appy left him in the lurch in the first place. That said there is a chance Faz would leave. If that happens, we could have a problem. VERY likely? Not sure about that. Which bit is not likely?
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Post by MJB on Oct 20, 2017 17:32:32 GMT
VERY likely? Not sure about that. Which bit is not likely? The whole chain of events being VERY likely as you have stressed. A small possibility sure, but hardly odds on I’d wager (as it were).
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Post by taffyewe on Oct 20, 2017 20:15:57 GMT
The whole chain of events being VERY likely as you have stressed. A small possibility sure, but hardly odds on I’d wager (as it were). I think these 3 factors are more or less a given unless Appy reverts to assistant at LCFC with new guy.
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Post by MJB on Oct 20, 2017 22:57:41 GMT
The whole chain of events being VERY likely as you have stressed. A small possibility sure, but hardly odds on I’d wager (as it were). I think these 3 factors are more or less a given unless Appy reverts to assistant at LCFC with new guy. Fair enough. Regardless of likelihood, I’m sure we can all agree that Faz is an excellent Assistant. Plus he chucks water bottles in the crowd when we score, just because. What’s not to like?
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Post by oxfordboy on Oct 20, 2017 23:44:05 GMT
What if Appleton goes to a club with a good assistant manager? And even if he does get his own assistant in I don't see any reason he'd be hell bent on Faz, I think it was probably just him being available at the time we got him rather than Appleton being adamant Faz was the man
It's possible sure but as MJB says I think saying it's very likely is a big stretch
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Post by highlights on Oct 27, 2017 16:30:01 GMT
Number 2s are funny. They vary so wildly. The categories they often fall into are:
- Sergeant major - scares the living shit out of everyone - The friendly ear - the popular one that's close to the players - BBC - the trainer. Training ground specialist - The tactician - rarely trains, but analyses oppos and current team - The scout - Is essentially in charge of recruitment - The dogsbody - just cleans up after the manager.
There are many more and some are more than one of those types. But I've seen number twos bring down managers (looking at you Craig) and #2s prop up awful managers.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 27, 2017 21:46:50 GMT
I wondered what the post was about after the first two sentences. And then the post made much more sense!
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