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Post by oufcyellows on May 4, 2017 16:33:08 GMT
Well he would have had less good games than dunkley, he's only played 16 for us. 10 of which I would say he was very decent in. Do I think he's the messiah - no, haven't said that. Hit and miss - Definitely something I would use to describe dunks. When raglan makes a mistake, it's not normally as costly as dunks. Would I sign someone better- of course, but mapp obviously see something in him as well. Sometimes a partnership is stronger than a sum of its parts. Would u say dunks and Nelson are stronger than Nelson and raglan. When u have already said dunks can't play on the left, and it was also obvious that Nelson was worse on that side ? I agree with what you're saying about partnerships; HOWEVER I'd rather have Nelson and a new great left sided CB with Dunkley as backup than Nelson, the new left sided guy and Raglan as the backup. Totally you're opinion, I would probably go the other way, partly because it seems raglan wants to be here and dunks has declined an offer , only rumour but kind of fits in with not playing in the last 6 games. And again I don't think a new guy has to be naturally left footed, just used to playing there, so as back up raglan would cover both spots, whereas dunkley would only really cover the right side. As for Arron martin - no idea could be better than all of them
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Post by lambchop on May 4, 2017 16:39:53 GMT
He's not the Massiah, he's a very naughty boy.... can't believe I got in there first with that!!
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 4, 2017 17:48:15 GMT
It's a bit weird to see Raglan being praised to high heaven on here recently (especially by a couple of people) when I remember early in the season he had a few distinctly average games and no-one had much good to say about him. I think Dunkley has far more natural attributes and I wouldn't be especially enthused seeing Raglan as our first choice CB next season, although I'd be happy enough with him as a backup. Dunkley was offered a contract he's turned it down so he don't want to play for us. No going back Raglan will be more than good enough so Dunks can go, remember it his choice
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Post by Young Money on May 4, 2017 18:06:18 GMT
I agree with what you're saying about partnerships; HOWEVER I'd rather have Nelson and a new great left sided CB with Dunkley as backup than Nelson, the new left sided guy and Raglan as the backup. Totally you're opinion, I would probably go the other way, partly because it seems raglan wants to be here and dunks has declined an offer , only rumour but kind of fits in with not playing in the last 6 games. And again I don't think a new guy has to be naturally left footed, just used to playing there, so as back up raglan would cover both spots, whereas dunkley would only really cover the right side. As for Arron martin - no idea could be better than all of them Well yeah but I could say I'd rather have Messi but he doesn't want to be here, doesn't change that he'd be a good player to have. Also how do you know that Raglan wants to be here? It will be interesting to see who ends up playing at a higher level/earning more money, Raglan or Dunkley. I strongly suspect it will be the latter but we shall see!
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Post by manorman on May 4, 2017 18:06:30 GMT
If the article in the original posting is to be believed then surely the point is that Mapp wants him here. As far as we know Raglan hasn't been offered a contract ...yet.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 4, 2017 18:14:45 GMT
I don't know either wants to be here, just putting together the various bits and pieces. Oh and this www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/oxfordunited/15007239.Charlie_Raglan__Playing_for_Oxford_United_is_such_a_privilege/?ref=rssMy take on it. Dunkleys form massively dropped off in Jan. Just so happens to be the time other clubs can start talking to him. I think his head was turned a little by clubs currently higher than us paying a bit of interest. Knowing that he turned down our offer, thinking that he can probably get more elsewhere. Appleton having said he only wants people who want to be here, sticks raglan in, in his place who does a very good job, keeping his place for the last 6 games and probably earning himself a contract . Only my take on it
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Post by bullox on May 4, 2017 18:41:24 GMT
He's not the Massiah, he's a very naughty boy.... can't believe I got in there first with that!! I thought that was Sercombe?
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Post by lambchop on May 4, 2017 18:51:43 GMT
He's not the Massiah, he's a very naughty boy.... can't believe I got in there first with that!! I thought that was Sercombe? No he's more your Judian Popular Front
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Post by bullox on May 4, 2017 19:09:03 GMT
I thought that was Sercombe? No he's more your Judian Popular Front I thought he was the Judean People's Front?
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Post by oufcyellows on May 4, 2017 19:10:45 GMT
No he's more your Judian Popular Front I thought he was the Judean People's Front? Na your thinking of the people's front of judea
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Post by lambchop on May 4, 2017 19:18:07 GMT
I thought he was the Judean People's Front? Na your thinking of the people's front of judea What ever happened to them?
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Post by bigcrompy on May 4, 2017 20:52:55 GMT
Na your thinking of the people's front of judea What ever happened to them? Splitters!
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Post by makv on May 4, 2017 20:57:11 GMT
It's a bit weird to see Raglan being praised to high heaven on here recently (especially by a couple of people) when I remember early in the season he had a few distinctly average games and no-one had much good to say about him. I think Dunkley has far more natural attributes and I wouldn't be especially enthused seeing Raglan as our first choice CB next season, although I'd be happy enough with him as a backup. Dunkley was offered a contract he's turned it down so he don't want to play for us. No going back Raglan will be more than good enough so Dunks can go, remember it his choice Oh has he bazzer? Where did you read that?
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Post by dabigfella on May 4, 2017 21:08:55 GMT
Being offered a contract and turning it down doesn't mean you want away. It usually mean one more move in negotiations for more money.
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Post by yellows1 on May 4, 2017 22:00:52 GMT
Totally you're opinion, I would probably go the other way, partly because it seems raglan wants to be here and dunks has declined an offer , only rumour but kind of fits in with not playing in the last 6 games. And again I don't think a new guy has to be naturally left footed, just used to playing there, so as back up raglan would cover both spots, whereas dunkley would only really cover the right side. As for Arron martin - no idea could be better than all of them Well yeah but I could say I'd rather have Messi but he doesn't want to be here, doesn't change that he'd be a good player to have. Also how do you know that Raglan wants to be here? It will be interesting to see who ends up playing at a higher level/earning more money, Raglan or Dunkley. I strongly suspect it will be the latter but we shall see! Doubt it, not quite good enough at this level, sign Raglan on asap.
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Post by jimmycarterxi on May 4, 2017 22:24:58 GMT
What's to say we haven't tried to keep him?? If that was the case, I am surprised that he didn't feature more in the games at the end of the season. You don't show a player how well regarded and indispensable he is by dropping him. If Dunkley has said he won't sign a new deal then why would you play him??
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Post by thehorse on May 5, 2017 6:51:54 GMT
Also to add to the quoted post, Dunkley is not indispensable, in fact no player at this level is, but Dunkley in particular is not.
Those who know me will be well aware of how much I rate Dunkley as a defender as he wins so many headers, however he was one of the players I had identified as needing to improve upon if we were to get into the play offs and then go on to win them.
The fact that results haven't suffered without him in the team shows that there is life without him in the team.
If he has turned a contract down it would be a shame to see him leave for nothing but if the club are able to replicate recent signings of ledson, macaleny etc with a centre half of similar quality then we will be in a stronger position.
For Dunkley, a move to the championship would be hard to turn down so if there is truth in the rumours then you also can't blame him. in fact I'm pretty sure of a league two players chose to stay at his current club rather than move to OUFC he would be accused of lacking ambition, taking the easy option etc etc
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Post by ZeroTheHero on May 5, 2017 7:27:34 GMT
If that was the case, I am surprised that he didn't feature more in the games at the end of the season. You don't show a player how well regarded and indispensable he is by dropping him. If Dunkley has said he won't sign a new deal then why would you play him?? You wouldn't. So I suspect we didn't play him because either he didn't want to sign a contract or we didn't offer him one (that suited him). You asked 'What's to say we haven't tried to keep him??" - we might have done, but (depending on the stage negotiations were at) dropping him wouldn't have helped. As you say, it may well have been virtually done and dusted by then anyway. All speculation though - I guess we will know next week.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 7:28:31 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if he signed for Bristol City when his current contract expires.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on May 5, 2017 7:39:36 GMT
Also to add to the quoted post, Dunkley is not indispensable, in fact no player at this level is, but Dunkley in particular is not. Those who know me will be well aware of how much I rate Dunkley as a defender as he wins so many headers, however he was one of the players I had identified as needing to improve upon if we were to get into the play offs and then go on to win them. The fact that results haven't suffered without him in the team shows that there is life without him in the team. If he has turned a contract down it would be a shame to see him leave for nothing but if the club are able to replicate recent signings of ledson, macaleny etc with a centre half of similar quality then we will be in a stronger position. For Dunkley, a move to the championship would be hard to turn down so if there is truth in the rumours then you also can't blame him. in fact I'm pretty sure of a league two players chose to stay at his current club rather than move to OUFC he would be accused of lacking ambition, taking the easy option etc etc Oh, I agree with every word of that. I didn't mean that Dunkley IS indispensable, just that if you are 'trying to keep him' you might well want him to feel as if he was... I too am an admirer of the way Dunks has improved. But he is not happy on the left side of the defence and if we are honest has shown few signs of getting happier there! If he goes we will miss his power and dominance in the air, but there is always a mistake in him when the ball is on the floor. His positioning when on the left is pretty suspect as well. Having said all that, and despite the lack of goals conceded, I am not 100% convinced that Raglan is the answer - at least not yet. There have been some pretty poor mix-ups between him and Nelson in those recent games. Of course a pre-season and training with Raglan on the left of the two might well improve that. Personally I think that an experienced left back will be one of our signings though.
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Post by Paul Cannell on May 5, 2017 7:42:12 GMT
I hates it when posters slam Dunkley.
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Post by leysboy on May 6, 2017 6:10:19 GMT
I'm a big fan of Chey, but I must admit I really liked the Raglan, Nelson combination at the tail end of the season.
Yes Dunkley is prone to mistakes, but really hope he stays in a squad rotation capacity. I just think he had played so many fixtures, that he was physically exhausted, and was mentally drained.
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Post by thehorse on May 6, 2017 7:23:22 GMT
I'm a big fan of Chey, but I must admit I really liked the Raglan, Nelson combination at the tail end of the season. Yes Dunkley is prone to mistakes, but really hope he stays in a squad rotation capacity. I just think he had played so many fixtures, that he was physically exhausted, and was mentally drained. I agree that there were a lot of games and this may have meant her was tired etc but when the clubs decision is to go with a small squad the type of players in it need to be those who are able to keep playing week after week without the level of performance suffering. That said, the feeling of a mistake being just around the corner was there all season, even before the excuse of fatigue was applicable. I'd be more than happy for Dunkley to remain at the club but I feel we need to improve there if we are to reach the championship.
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Post by isibuko on May 23, 2017 19:20:48 GMT
I've always felt we could do better, sad to see him go though even if just for the character that he was.
I wonder if there is more to this, I can't see him signing for a higher-league club at this point.
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Post by socrates on May 23, 2017 19:32:53 GMT
what a silly boy. he should be grateful he got offered anything. no way near good enough for a promotion team
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Post by Mark on May 23, 2017 20:15:02 GMT
I've always felt we could do better, sad to see him go though even if just for the character that he was. I wonder if there is more to this, I can't see him signing for a higher-league club at this point. Birmingham city are interested. Close to home. I reckon he was on a low wage when signed in L2, but could probably pick up a decent package at Birmingham even if he's on the bench.
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Post by leysboy on May 23, 2017 22:19:16 GMT
I don't care so much about Dunkley. But I do care about bringing in Conor McAleny. That boy can score. I think he could become a goal machine for us.
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Post by oufcluke27 on May 24, 2017 6:55:12 GMT
Get him gone hes so overrated,too error prone,he's not good enough we get someone who's better all round especially with distribution
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Post by bigronaldo on May 24, 2017 7:14:00 GMT
So overrated that a championship side is taking him on. Are you lot serious?
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Post by Junior on May 24, 2017 7:22:50 GMT
I don't care so much about Dunkley. But I do care about bringing in Conor McAleny. That boy can score. I think he could become a goal machine for us. Yep, likewise. If it means Maguire leaving then so be it. If he signs full time and scores 20+ we've another 3m player on our hands. Could also mean promotion or mid table. Key signing.
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