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Post by grenobleroad on Apr 10, 2017 21:20:33 GMT
Reckon reserving the first two rows at games for seating would be a better option when purchasing away tickets so people who want to sit can. If they can do that or not I'm not so sure but I can appreciate it must be a pain if you struggle to stand and are forced to. It's difficult though isn't it, you look at the east stand on a normal game most of the front seats are empty, because you get a better view further up the stand. Will people accept a worse view just so they can sit down in an all seater stadium ? Yep that's true. You shouldn't be penalised of the view you get.
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Apr 10, 2017 21:58:55 GMT
To be honest, I don't think the group of lads we're talking about ("Ultras" or not) give a flying f**k about what the other supporters around them are thinking. The moron in the row in front of me wasn't aware there was a match going on. He certainly wasn't watching it.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 10, 2017 22:29:35 GMT
Not really. As you only get to choose if you want to be near them or not if u can pick you're seat! Which is what manorlounger suggested in the first place. And it still won't rule out some people having to stand or move. Like someone else said until safe standing areas are introduced I can't see you can solve the problem. Clubs ain't going to go to unreserved seating due to the lost revenue. And I can't see giving one section of the fan base, priority will ever work. You could get fans that go to every away game missing out just because they don't sing and seats have been reserved for singers. It all comes down to a bit of common sense and respect for what other fans want. If you wanna stand and there is someone behind who wants to sit- swap seats But you've kind of answered your own point. It isn't unreserved seating. Its just a bit of give and take on both sides. My dad doesn't go to away games anymore because people in front of him at quite a few games wouldn't sit down, he's made his choice, but it pisses me off that he's felt he's had to make that choice. Now I'm not saying everyone should have to sit down, but at the same time why should someone who gets to the ground early to take there seat, have too move a few minutes before the kick off because other fans come in and stand in front or around them blocking there view. Well quite, but then why reward the people causing the problem with first choice or reserved seats ? When the point is more than than ever everyone has the right to enjoy the game , including you're dad. Why not turn it and have 200 reserved sitting only tickets held each game for fans that wanna make sure they can sit down.
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Post by Barts on Apr 10, 2017 22:53:44 GMT
But you've kind of answered your own point. It isn't unreserved seating. Its just a bit of give and take on both sides. My dad doesn't go to away games anymore because people in front of him at quite a few games wouldn't sit down, he's made his choice, but it pisses me off that he's felt he's had to make that choice. Now I'm not saying everyone should have to sit down, but at the same time why should someone who gets to the ground early to take there seat, have too move a few minutes before the kick off because other fans come in and stand in front or around them blocking there view. Well quite, but then why reward the people causing the problem with first choice or reserved seats ? When the point is more than than ever everyone has the right to enjoy the game , including you're dad. Why not turn it and have 200 reserved sitting only tickets held each game for fans that wanna make sure they can sit down. Its easier to give the singers/standers an area where others can join, rather than reserve seats for people to sit and risk singers/standers sitting around them. I'd be interested to hear oxvox, the ultras and oufc's view on this to see if anything can be done.
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Post by saddletramp on Apr 11, 2017 4:04:41 GMT
Well quite, but then why reward the people causing the problem with first choice or reserved seats ? When the point is more than than ever everyone has the right to enjoy the game , including you're dad. Why not turn it and have 200 reserved sitting only tickets held each game for fans that wanna make sure they can sit down. Its easier to give the singers/standers an area where others can join, rather than reserve seats for people to sit and risk singers/standers sitting around them. I'd be interested to hear oxvox, the ultras and oufc's view on this to see if anything can be done. So 95% of Oxford fans have to miss out on the best seats to accommodate 30 singers. If Premier league clubs can organise 50/60/75k into allocated seats,i don't see why League 1 clubs cant make 1k fans sit in their allocated seats. P.S.Its illegal to stand in an all seater stadium,how can OUFC get into meetings with people to provide them with a standing area ? If you allow 30 people to stand then you have to allow 30,000.
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Post by saddletramp on Apr 11, 2017 4:07:39 GMT
But you've kind of answered your own point. It isn't unreserved seating. Its just a bit of give and take on both sides. My dad doesn't go to away games anymore because people in front of him at quite a few games wouldn't sit down, he's made his choice, but it pisses me off that he's felt he's had to make that choice. Now I'm not saying everyone should have to sit down, but at the same time why should someone who gets to the ground early to take there seat, have too move a few minutes before the kick off because other fans come in and stand in front or around them blocking there view. Well quite, but then why reward the people causing the problem with first choice or reserved seats ? When the point is more than than ever everyone has the right to enjoy the game , including you're dad. Why not turn it and have 200 reserved sitting only tickets held each game for fans that wanna make sure they can sit down. Im sorry i don't understand ? "200 reserved sitting only tickets" We have 12,500 "sitting only tickets" Standing in an all seater stadium is illegal
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 11, 2017 5:39:41 GMT
Well quite, but then why reward the people causing the problem with first choice or reserved seats ? When the point is more than than ever everyone has the right to enjoy the game , including you're dad. Why not turn it and have 200 reserved sitting only tickets held each game for fans that wanna make sure they can sit down. Im sorry i don't understand ? "200 reserved sitting only tickets" We have 12,500 "sitting only tickets" Standing in an all seater stadium is illegal Yes I know it was for an example only.
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Post by uptheus on Apr 11, 2017 6:10:57 GMT
No matter what the opposing club say we all know that it's a sit where you like policy away from home.
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Post by uptheus on Apr 11, 2017 6:14:55 GMT
Not really. As you only get to choose if you want to be near them or not if u can pick you're seat! Which is what manorlounger suggested in the first place. And it still won't rule out some people having to stand or move. Like someone else said until safe standing areas are introduced I can't see you can solve the problem. Clubs ain't going to go to unreserved seating due to the lost revenue. And I can't see giving one section of the fan base, priority will ever work. You could get fans that go to every away game missing out just because they don't sing and seats have been reserved for singers. It all comes down to a bit of common sense and respect for what other fans want. If you wanna stand and there is someone behind who wants to sit- swap seats But you've kind of answered your own point. It isn't unreserved seating. Its just a bit of give and take on both sides. My dad doesn't go to away games anymore because people in front of him at quite a few games wouldn't sit down, he's made his choice, but it pisses me off that he's felt he's had to make that choice. Now I'm not saying everyone should have to sit down, but at the same time why should someone who gets to the ground early to take there seat, have too move a few minutes before the kick off because other fans come in and stand in front or around them blocking there view. Most fans know that the fans that like to stand and sing generally go in the central area (behind the goal if the allocated stand is there), so if fans that want to avoid this should go to the sides!
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 11, 2017 6:26:03 GMT
But you've kind of answered your own point. It isn't unreserved seating. Its just a bit of give and take on both sides. My dad doesn't go to away games anymore because people in front of him at quite a few games wouldn't sit down, he's made his choice, but it pisses me off that he's felt he's had to make that choice. Now I'm not saying everyone should have to sit down, but at the same time why should someone who gets to the ground early to take there seat, have too move a few minutes before the kick off because other fans come in and stand in front or around them blocking there view. Most fans know that the fans that like to stand and sing generally go in the central area (behind the goal if the allocated stand is there), so if fans that want to avoid this should go to the sides! But that doesn't always happen does it, as fans that like to stand normally are also in the pub longer and come in later. Maybe that would well if singer agreed to fill the outer blocks instead of the middle? Works better at grounds like swindon, where there is a clear divide between what type of seat you're buying, but you still get it
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Post by Barts on Apr 11, 2017 6:50:48 GMT
Its easier to give the singers/standers an area where others can join, rather than reserve seats for people to sit and risk singers/standers sitting around them. I'd be interested to hear oxvox, the ultras and oufc's view on this to see if anything can be done. So 95% of Oxford fans have to miss out on the best seats to accommodate 30 singers. If Premier league clubs can organise 50/60/75k into allocated seats,i don't see why League 1 clubs cant make 1k fans sit in their allocated seats. P.S.Its illegal to stand in an all seater stadium,how can OUFC get into meetings with people to provide them with a standing area ? If you allow 30 people to stand then you have to allow 30,000. Totally agree people should sit in allocated seats and shouldn't stand. The reality is though that this won't happen or be enforced. That's why another compromise needs to be explored to keep everyone happy.
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Post by manorlounger on Apr 11, 2017 7:31:41 GMT
So 95% of Oxford fans have to miss out on the best seats to accommodate 30 singers. If Premier league clubs can organise 50/60/75k into allocated seats,i don't see why League 1 clubs cant make 1k fans sit in their allocated seats. P.S.Its illegal to stand in an all seater stadium,how can OUFC get into meetings with people to provide them with a standing area ? If you allow 30 people to stand then you have to allow 30,000. Totally agree people should sit in allocated seats and shouldn't stand. The reality is though that this won't happen or be enforced. That's why another compromise needs to be explored to keep everyone happy. The simplest solution is to allow choice of seat at the time of purchase. Or, at the very least block segregation. As most have said, the singers will go to where they want to go regardless of seat allocation and with little respect for those who are already seated. ( that's not having a go at them, it's just how it is.) All that I, and many others want, is to be able to watch the game without having to stand for the entire match. If the ticket sellers, OUFC, had a seating guide then they could advise purchasers and allocate a ticket appropriately. We have had some ridiculous seats given to us this season, front row at Bristol (missed seeing half the match) top tier at MK Dons (needed binoculars) centre, behind goal Walsall (ended up surrounded by singers all jostling for position) Times have changed and supporters have too, time for the clubs to recognise that and cater for the modern football supporter or lose business.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 11, 2017 7:45:52 GMT
What happens if people who want to stand still buy in front of you
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 11, 2017 8:00:17 GMT
Most fans know that the fans that like to stand and sing generally go in the central area (behind the goal if the allocated stand is there), so if fans that want to avoid this should go to the sides! So everybody else has to fit in with what a small minority of people want to do? It seems sometimes that some people lack a sense of consideration for others. I repeat what I said earlier. If you want to stand and sing (which is great and hugely improves the atmosphere), get there early enough to claim the place you are going to be in. Don't go the the pub and then roll in five minutes before kick off and force your way into the space you'd like to be in. That pisses off the people who are there already and those feel they have to move. Stand at the back so that everyone else in the stand can sit down if they want to.
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Apr 11, 2017 8:56:51 GMT
Most fans know that the fans that like to stand and sing generally go in the central area (behind the goal if the allocated stand is there), so if fans that want to avoid this should go to the sides! So everybody else has to fit in with what a small minority of people want to do? It seems sometimes that some people lack a sense of consideration for others. I repeat what I said earlier. If you want to stand and sing (which is great and hugely improves the atmosphere), get there early enough to claim the place you are going to be in. Don't go the the pub and then roll in five minutes before kick off and force your way into the space you'd like to be in. That pisses off the people who are there already and those feel they have to move. Stand at the back so that everyone else in the stand can sit down if they want to. The trouble is that some of those you refer to have an inflated sense of their own importance as fans.
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Post by manorlounger on Apr 11, 2017 9:11:48 GMT
What happens if people who want to stand still buy in front of you And there you have it! It will all come down to consideration for others. Some grounds would not be able to accomodate the different needs, others would just send in stewards to do what they do ( with all the usual trouble that causes) and in a few, supporters would self regulate but, if at least there was a structure in place to offer different areas, it would be a good start.
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Post by McVicar on Apr 11, 2017 9:25:10 GMT
I can't believe it when there is a single person standing in certain areas, and there is someone sitting behind. Just no consideration. Think this happened at home recently near the front of the Ox Mail and it nearly ended in fisticuffs, unsurprisingly.
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Post by Colin B on Apr 11, 2017 9:37:57 GMT
Unallocated seating is the only viable answer. It will reduce capacity by 10%, so there will always be spare seats to choose from. I did this on Saturday with no problem at all. People like the original poster would generally be in the ground in plenty of time to choose where they wanted to sit, and I would suspect would choose their seats in the knowledge of where the Ultras/singers are likely to position themselves when they arrive.
Allocated seating, when most or all of the seats have been sold, is a recipe for disaster. Especially if they are allocated without any choice. This is something we've discussed with the club in the past (most recently after the MK Dons away game) but the club are very much in the hands of the club that we're visiting, and if they refuse to co-operate there's not much OUFC can do.
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Apr 11, 2017 9:42:40 GMT
That was me, I think! I refuse to be bullied, by Ultras or anyone else, into moving to seats elsewhere on principal. We stayed where we were and tolerated the guys in front and beside us. Why should we have to slope off to alternative seats? Thank you for the offer, though, it was appreciated. I might be missing your point her Oxfox, so please tell me if I am. If you'd chosen specific seats in advance to afford yourself the best view, I could understand why you wouldn't want to move on principle. But you didn't. You were, presumably, given random seats by the ticket office at Walsall or Oxford. Under the circumstances I can't see how taking other seats that overcame your viewing problem would have trampled on your principles, or could have been construed as giving in to 'bullying'. You did indeed 'pay for your seats', but were they really the perfect seats? Personal view? Power to the singers! Let them congregate where they want to get an atmosphere going. If people feel the need to move as a result, there are usually plenty of other seats to choose from. Sell outs are rare. Pete, I appreciate the point you're making. But yes, I think you're missing mine. And it's been referred to in other posts. Why should I, after getting to the stadium early enough to find my seat (after a pleasant couple of pints in town) then be forced to move elsewhere by a handful of pea-brains who can't hold their drink and trample all over my partners feet and wave their arms in her face while standing two to a seat next to her? THAT's what I mean by bullying.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 11, 2017 10:10:58 GMT
I might be missing your point her Oxfox, so please tell me if I am. If you'd chosen specific seats in advance to afford yourself the best view, I could understand why you wouldn't want to move on principle. But you didn't. You were, presumably, given random seats by the ticket office at Walsall or Oxford. Under the circumstances I can't see how taking other seats that overcame your viewing problem would have trampled on your principles, or could have been construed as giving in to 'bullying'. You did indeed 'pay for your seats', but were they really the perfect seats? Personal view? Power to the singers! Let them congregate where they want to get an atmosphere going. If people feel the need to move as a result, there are usually plenty of other seats to choose from. Sell outs are rare. Pete, I appreciate the point you're making. But yes, I think you're missing mine. And it's been referred to in other posts. Why should I, after getting to the stadium early enough to find my seat (after a pleasant couple of pints in town) then be forced to move elsewhere by a handful of pea-brains who can't hold their drink and trample all over my partners feet and wave their arms in her face while standing two to a seat next to her? THAT's what I mean by bullying. I'm going to do a bit of fence-sitting here. Yes, that sounds like pure yobbishness, probably bolstered by too many beers. I'm uncertain as to the exact organisation of the 'Ultras', but would guess that the core of that group are generally more responsible, but joined by a varying number of others away match to away match who might be less restrained. Several avowed Ultras post on here. Would one of them like to comment on the boundary between colourful, noisy Ultra support and the bullying you suffered? What I would say is, although you sat in 'your' seats as dictated by the tickets you were given, if I were in your position and found myself behind the goal in a place where I knew singers always congregate away from home, I would be inclined to move, principles or not. I wouldn't see that as succumbing to bullying, just applying common sense.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 11, 2017 10:18:39 GMT
I think the point at Walsall, Pete, was partly that rather than being at the back (where they usually are) the 'standers' decided to go much further forward. That meant that everyone who had come in earlier and found a seat in what they thought would be a sensible place to sit (well in front of the 'standers') were suddenly sitting behind or among them.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 11, 2017 10:20:52 GMT
I think the point at Walsall, Pete, was partly that rather than being at the back (where they usually are) the 'standers' decided to go much further forward. That meant that everyone who had come in earlier and found a seat in what they thought would be a sensible place to sit (well in front of the 'standers') were suddenly sitting behind or among them. OK, I wasn't at Walsall. I can understand Oxfox's objection then. I'm all for singers doing their thing, but they do have to show some responsibility.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 11, 2017 10:23:23 GMT
There are going to be issues with any of the solutions.
If it's unreserved , who has the right to the better high seat in the middle? People getting there early ? Or do they have to pick not such a prime seat knowing it's an unwritten rule that is where the singers go? As well as losing 10% of our allowance .
Buy you're own seat- you can still end up with someone who wants to stand in front of you, or being bang in the middle of it if those are the only seats left. As well as making more work for our ticket office staff without making anything on it.
The only way that will solve the problem is separate seating and safe standing areas, but that's probably a way off.
Till then I think it's just common sense and consideration for others.
It kind of links two at the min, as much as even with seat. Invest the standees normally do come in and stand together. Maybe a bit of give and take, where they agree to move to either the left or right of or allocation, and other don't moan that they haven't got their seat as they get to sit nearer the middle?
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Post by sarge on Apr 11, 2017 10:27:53 GMT
Heard that televisions "grumpy old men" is considering an episode focusing on OUFC away supporters Though rumor has it that it would probably become an entire series
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 11, 2017 10:50:46 GMT
Heard that televisions "grumpy old men" is considering an episode focusing on OUFC away supporters Though rumor has it that it would probably become an entire series The joys of having a successful team Don't get the seat you want and we sell our best players. Far better in l2 where we had no one of any value and plenty of empty seats to sit in
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 11, 2017 21:03:45 GMT
Actually yes. I have a ST in the front row of the East Stand simply because I'm not able to watch the game standing up and I was fed up with people standing in front of me and ignoring requests for them to sit down. However, the only time this season that I have actually had to sit in my own seat was the Swindon game. I generally sit off to the side in row five or six, depending on what's available, so that I can get a better view. At away matches I normally start off sitting in the front row by the corner flag and then move back a few rows when I can see that no-one in that area is standing. Well actually no then, you just said you're self given the opportunity you chose to move higher to get a better view. So why should u have to sit at the front when u can buy at the same time as everyone else and probably get into the ground before most as well.
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Post by rickyotto on Apr 12, 2017 2:43:32 GMT
And there was me worrying that Sky, the police, the EPL, and the local council H&S would sanitize our game.
Turns out our own fans want to do it all on their own. Then you'll wonder why no youngsters are coming to games or why the atmosphere is stale or why our away form starts to match our home form. 😔😫
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Post by Common Villager on Apr 12, 2017 4:29:33 GMT
I can never understand why those that are particular eager to remain seated choose seats in prime 'singing' positions directly behind the goal.
For as long as I've been going to football, behind the goal is the standing/singing section. If remaining seated is that important to you, it's probably better to place yourself either side of the goal.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 12, 2017 5:41:37 GMT
I can never understand why those that are particular eager to remain seated choose seats in prime 'singing' positions directly behind the goal. For as long as I've been going to football, behind the goal is the standing/singing section. If remaining seated is that important to you, it's probably better to place yourself either side of the goal. Trouble being I don't think these confrontations happened behind the goal ! So maybe you should be asking why the singers decided to not stand behind the goal
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Post by oldham on Apr 12, 2017 6:48:20 GMT
I can never understand why those that are particular eager to remain seated choose seats in prime 'singing' positions directly behind the goal. For as long as I've been going to football, behind the goal is the standing/singing section. If remaining seated is that important to you, it's probably better to place yourself either side of the goal. Trouble being I don't think these confrontations happened behind the goal ! So maybe you should be asking why the singers decided to not stand behind the goal I'm assuming you were not at the match then?
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