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Post by My Manor on Apr 6, 2017 21:36:28 GMT
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No B teams or pointless group stage games.
In fact league one and two teams potentially have enough games to play without this mickey mouse tournament.
As for Shaun Harvey, the guy seems so out of touch with the fan base, perhaps he should try another line of work, any suggestions?
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Post by upthecowboys on Apr 7, 2017 16:55:42 GMT
1) No under 23 sides - entering Top clubs U23 sides in to this cup is not the best way to develop British talent. This should be a cup where a Wembley appearance should be kept for the bottom 2 div clubs / possibly non league as well.
2) Let EFL clubs pick the sides they want. Most EFL sides need no inducement to develop home grown players. If a club wants to prioritise other competitions then they should be able to.
3) Straight knock out, with round 1 being 1 week before league season starts with the final being in Feb. Clubs want a competitive fixture 1 week before season starts, make it 1st round of this trophy. Clubs don't want to have to worry about resting players if the final is later in the season when they may be in with a shot of promotion.
4) Ask the National premier league if they want to enter their top 16 clubs to make it a 6 round straight knockout. If they don't because they already have the trophy etc then leave it to the 48 league teams - byes for the 16 furthest advancing clubs, so clubs only have 5 or 6 games before a Wembley appearance. If clubs know that they are only 5 games away from Wembley, they may actually prioritise it.
5) No extra time, straight to pens.
6) 1 leg Semis, possibly at a neutral ground.
7) Promote it as a family / getting children in to supporting their local team. Have max ticket prices of £10 adults, £5 older children, free under 13 etc. This will help attract a sponsor who wants that 'supporting the community' image.
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Post by makv on Apr 7, 2017 17:18:25 GMT
1) No under 23 sides - entering Top clubs U23 sides in to this cup is not the best way to develop British talent. This should be a cup where a Wembley appearance should be kept for the bottom 2 div clubs / possibly non league as well. 2) Let EFL clubs pick the sides they want. Most EFL sides need no inducement to develop home grown players. If a club wants to prioritise other competitions then they should be able to. 3) Straight knock out, with round 1 being 1 week before league season starts with the final being in Feb. Clubs want a competitive fixture 1 week before season starts, make it 1st round of this trophy. Clubs don't want to have to worry about resting players if the final is later in the season when they may be in with a shot of promotion. 4) Ask the National premier league if they want to enter their top 16 clubs to make it a 6 round straight knockout. If they don't because they already have the trophy etc then leave it to the 48 league teams - byes for the 16 furthest advancing clubs, so clubs only have 5 or 6 games before a Wembley appearance. If clubs know that they are only 5 games away from Wembley, they may actually prioritise it. 5) No extra time, straight to pens. 6) 1 leg Semis, possibly at a neutral ground. 7) Promote it as a family / getting children in to supporting their local team. Have max ticket prices of £10 adults, £5 older children, free under 13 etc. This will help attract a sponsor who wants that 'supporting the community' image. All utterly terrible ideas 😉
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Post by bullytheox86 on Apr 9, 2017 12:32:49 GMT
Hi all On the 11th April the EFL will meet to discuss (and maybe agree) the format for next seasons Trophy competition. Along with Supporters Trusts and Groups around the country, we have the opportunity to lobby on behalf of fans and try and represent views/concerns and ideas. Your thoughts would be very welcome ASAP! We'll be making the club aware of this thread so that they can also view your comments 'live', rather than just waiting for a consolidated report. Cheers! Jem What about they set up an u23 trophy and LEAVE US ALONE
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Post by johnf on Apr 9, 2017 13:39:47 GMT
If this competition has to survive and I don't think it really does, firstly it should be for league 1&2 clubs only and secondly why can't there be a benefit for the following season. The winners of every other competition in the football league has an award, for league winners its promotion and for FA cup and league cup winners it's a European place maybe the winners of the EFL Trophy should get a bye into the FA cup 3rd round the following season.
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Post by sarge on Apr 10, 2017 10:58:13 GMT
Fact. Premier League voted to break away from the Football League
So it really is unbelivable as to why PL clubs would want anything to do with a competition that is (irrespective of sponsor) aimed at football league lower division clubs....the name of the competition, Football League Trophy should be descriptive enough even for simpletons, such as Shaun Harvey
NO to PL b teams, u23s, u 21s or any other format being included in any way shape or form in any Football League competition. Premier League voted to split from Football League, so f*ck em
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 11, 2017 16:11:22 GMT
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Post by oufcwaffle on Apr 11, 2017 16:41:09 GMT
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Post by Mark on Apr 11, 2017 18:00:22 GMT
I reckon the national league sides would see this as devaluing their FA trophy if The EFL trophy took 16 of their teams as they'd probably not be able to play both trophies.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Apr 11, 2017 20:27:08 GMT
The competition is like Katie Hopkins career. It should have died years ago, but somehow it keeps on going even though lots of people don't want it to.
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Post by holdsteady on Apr 11, 2017 21:35:38 GMT
I can't say i get the fascination with having conference clubs in, i am quite happy to never play a side from that league again personally. Wasn't a huge crowd against Macclesfield in an FA cup replay this season, i doubt many would turn out just because we are playing Eastleigh rather Exeter. For a club of our size, having a group stage stretches our squad with the extra games, if we must have a fourth competition it should be a straight knockout with no restrictions in who plays.
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Post by haloras on Apr 12, 2017 5:48:39 GMT
It wa known as the tinpot trophy and latterly the pointless trophy by fans for very good reason. Daryl if you are serious about promotion and listening to fans, in May when you get the chance, please vote to scrap the whole sorry mess. Thanks
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Post by arthurturner on Apr 12, 2017 7:58:44 GMT
It wa known as the tinpot trophy and latterly the pointless trophy by fans for very good reason. Daryl if you are serious about promotion and listening to fans, in May when you get the chance, please vote to scrap the whole sorry mess. Thanks I very much doubt that will be an option. Harvey and the EFL are not going to give clubs the opportunity to scrap their trophy competition any more than turkeys would vote for Christmas. The only hope is that a majority of clubs side with ours and vote to retain it in it's original format for League 1 and 2 clubs only. My only change from that would be that clubs would be free to play whichever players they choose; no replays; no extra time and penalties in the event of a draw after 90 minutes. That way clubs can treat it seriously or not as their own circumstances dictate.
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Post by victor1986 on Apr 12, 2017 8:09:03 GMT
Agree entirely arthur! The player quota formula is rediculous. The top four from the previous year should receive byes.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 12, 2017 8:10:19 GMT
It wa known as the tinpot trophy and latterly the pointless trophy by fans for very good reason. Daryl if you are serious about promotion and listening to fans, in May when you get the chance, please vote to scrap the whole sorry mess. Thanks I very much doubt that will be an option. Harvey and the EFL are not going to give clubs the opportunity to scrap their trophy competition any more than turkeys would vote for Christmas. The only hope is that a majority of clubs side with ours and vote to retain it in it's original format for League 1 and 2 clubs only. My only change from that would be that clubs would be free to play whichever players they choose; no replays; no extra time and penalties in the event of a draw after 90 minutes. That way clubs can treat it seriously or not as their own circumstances dictate. It is one of the 3 options
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Post by arthurturner on Apr 12, 2017 8:58:25 GMT
I very much doubt that will be an option. Harvey and the EFL are not going to give clubs the opportunity to scrap their trophy competition any more than turkeys would vote for Christmas. The only hope is that a majority of clubs side with ours and vote to retain it in it's original format for League 1 and 2 clubs only. My only change from that would be that clubs would be free to play whichever players they choose; no replays; no extra time and penalties in the event of a draw after 90 minutes. That way clubs can treat it seriously or not as their own circumstances dictate. It is one of the 3 options [/quote Yes, removal of the competition from the fixture calendar is at the bottom of a list of options in the EFL statement. I had not spotted that. I doubt that will fly although it would be my preference. We don't want an extended run in it to ruin our chances of promotion next season.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 12, 2017 9:01:12 GMT
Not according to the EFL statement yesterday. What do you understand the 3 options to be and where are they stated by the EFL? As a result of the discussion and subsequent debate, Clubs will now be asked to vote on the following: - A revised format including 16 invited teams - A return to the previous 48-team competition, exclusive to League One and Two - Remove the competition from the fixture calendar (http://www.efl.com//news/article/2016/efl-statement-checkatrade-trophy-3670256.aspx) I'm presuming we will be voting for the second option
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Post by arthurturner on Apr 12, 2017 9:10:21 GMT
Not according to the EFL statement yesterday. What do you understand the 3 options to be and where are they stated by the EFL? As a result of the discussion and subsequent debate, Clubs will now be asked to vote on the following: - A revised format including 16 invited teams - A return to the previous 48-team competition, exclusive to League One and Two - Remove the competition from the fixture calendar (http://www.efl.com//news/article/2016/efl-statement-checkatrade-trophy-3670256.aspx) I'm presuming we will be voting for the second option I'd be happy if the third option prevailed
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 12, 2017 9:32:32 GMT
Actually if they removed the obligation to play a set number of 'first team' players then I'd be happy with the second option.
Squad players and young professionals don't get the chance to play enough (slightly) meaningful matches and that would given them the opportunity.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 12, 2017 9:46:06 GMT
Actually if they removed the obligation to play a set number of 'first team' players then I'd be happy with the second option. Squad players and young professionals don't get the chance to play enough (slightly) meaningful matches and that would given them the opportunity. It is down now to min 4 players that have played 40 games or more. Loans from bteams are included in that. If the new rules had been in place this season only 4 fines would have been issued. A start but should be no limit at all and up to the clubs same as the league and fa cup
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Post by manorlounger on Apr 12, 2017 11:30:54 GMT
Given that the tournament has an opportunity for two teams to play at Wembley, something that a lot of clubs would not normally achieve, then I think the option to retain as per the original set up would be preferable. However, the rules governing team selection must change. It should be down to the individual clubs to select without dictat. Straight knockout concept. No extra time except for the final. Penalties to decide. No silly points system or group stages. Keep it simple and less of a problem for the league fixture list.
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Post by SteMerritt on Apr 12, 2017 12:26:36 GMT
Anyone else think it's a ploy to split the 'Against' vote by offering 2 options for those against 'B' Teams? Why not a straight vote of 'B' Teams Yes or No first, and THEN worry about formats or scrapping it?
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Post by cj on Apr 12, 2017 12:36:01 GMT
Scrap the competition! Scrap B teams! The EFL Trophy IS crap
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