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Post by Paul Cannell on Mar 10, 2017 18:07:18 GMT
Given the "Sports Grounds Safety Authority has agreed “to establish a process” whereby rail seating such as the type used in Germany’s Bundesliga and at Celtic Park can be introduced" I wonder if you have an opinion on the matter?
It might be a bit hypothetical at this moment but it would be interesting to know if you have strong feelings one way or the other.....
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Post by Paul Cannell on Mar 10, 2017 18:11:57 GMT
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Post by foley on Mar 10, 2017 18:33:15 GMT
I have been to a couple of Bundesliga games this season and the safe standing looks pretty safe to me ...
It would be fantastic for the Ultras and supporters who would prefer to stand.
As a slight aside I see that Brentford have been allowed to keep standing for another year in the Championship (they are looking to move stadium still)
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Post by Junior on Mar 11, 2017 5:43:08 GMT
Safe sanding, bah. Standing is safe. Look at the numerous terraces around the world. Look at Brentford, look at Burton. The latter who have numerous away end sell outs on a terrace limited number wise..
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Post by saddletramp on Mar 11, 2017 7:17:16 GMT
Safe sanding, bah. Standing is safe. Look at the numerous terraces around the world. Look at Brentford, look at Burton. The latter who have numerous away end sell outs on a terrace limited number wise.. I have to agree,the reason why we have all seater stadiums is Hillsborough,it wasn't terracing that killed 96 people,it was fences. I have been to several safe standing grounds in Germany,i believe they are more dangerous than terracing (or seating) if a major disaster was to happen at Dortmund,and 25,000 people on the South bank needed to get on the pitch in a hurry,basically you're fucked. A barrier in front of you,a barrier behind you,the only way you can go is sideways. P.S. You cant stand where you want,even though you are standing,you still have an allocated "seat"
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Post by cass63 on Mar 11, 2017 9:51:21 GMT
Wouldn't it take longer to get out of a terrace full of seats than one with barriers like the London rd ? I know things move on but I've seen people try and climb over the seats and struggle. I'd rather get out of the manor in a hurry than granoble rd.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Mar 12, 2017 22:58:27 GMT
The police lied about what happened and people got crushed against fences because they couldn't just spill onto the pitch. Why we're having to fight for a vastly unsafer version of traditional terracing is beyond me.
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Post by lucabrasi on Mar 13, 2017 22:42:33 GMT
The police lied about what happened and people got crushed against fences because they couldn't just spill onto the pitch. Why we're having to fight for a vastly unsafer version of traditional terracing is beyond me. The theory behind it is it stops the surges that used to occur, at least that's what I thought. It's a positive step, but as we're all aware as football fans, it's rather ludicrous that the legislation is even there. Should the ground fall into our hands, we're in a fortuitous position in that we have a stand that needs building, designed in the right way, we could build something pioneering for this country in modern times.
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Post by oufcgav on Mar 14, 2017 14:48:52 GMT
The police lied about what happened and people got crushed against fences because they couldn't just spill onto the pitch. Why we're having to fight for a vastly unsafer version of traditional terracing is beyond me. They got crushed because the police allowed too many people into the central pens, and (primarily) the radial fences meant they couldn't move to the side where there was room. This is safer because there are controlled numbers in each area, so there could not be overcrowding, and movement of people is controlled so that there cannot be uncontrolled surges or a build up of pressure that leads to crushing. It is the only way that there is going to be standing in any sort of number. Regular terraces are so tightly controlled in terms of capacity and gangway requirements they won't get a chance to have big crowds.
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Post by SteMerritt on Mar 14, 2017 15:13:01 GMT
I've seen more crushing and surging at gigs and festivals than I have seen at football, yet standing is still allowed at music events. If standing is unsafe, then it is unsafe across the board for large crowds surely?
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Post by malcolmnl on Mar 14, 2017 15:59:03 GMT
I've seen more crushing and surging at gigs and festivals than I have seen at football, yet standing is still allowed at music events. If standing is unsafe, then it is unsafe across the board for large crowds surely? Ah but we are football fans. Say no more.
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Post by concretebob on Mar 14, 2017 16:08:33 GMT
I've seen more crushing and surging at gigs and festivals than I have seen at football, yet standing is still allowed at music events. If standing is unsafe, then it is unsafe across the board for large crowds surely? Another thing that regularly happens - standing room only trains!
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Post by holdsteady on Mar 14, 2017 16:25:23 GMT
I've seen more crushing and surging at gigs and festivals than I have seen at football, yet standing is still allowed at music events. If standing is unsafe, then it is unsafe across the board for large crowds surely? You can stand at every other sport, Cheltenham festival on TV at the moment and that looks hectic. Both Rugby codes allow stadia with standing. One sport is picked on over other sports and events, all because of the police causing then covering up their part in the deaths of 96 innocent people.
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Post by sarge on Mar 15, 2017 13:19:36 GMT
Should the ground fall into our hands, we're in a fortuitous position in that we have a stand that needs building, designed in the right way, we could build something pioneering for this country in modern times. Agree 100%
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Post by SteMerritt on Mar 15, 2017 14:38:34 GMT
Should the ground fall into our hands, we're in a fortuitous position in that we have a stand that needs building, designed in the right way, we could build something pioneering for this country in modern times. Agree 100% Wasn't there some sort of stipulation that said because we had been in the top 2 divisions of English Football that we had to comply with the all-seater requirement? I seem to remember this being mentioned around the time we were building the current ground.
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Post by sihath on Mar 15, 2017 14:41:00 GMT
Wasn't there some sort of stipulation that said because we had been in the top 2 divisions of English Football that we had to comply with the all-seater requirement? I seem to remember this being mentioned around the time we were building the current ground. We've not played in the top 2 divisions since we've been at the Kassam though. Don't know if that's in any way relevant to terrace/safe standing?
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Post by SteMerritt on Mar 15, 2017 14:43:05 GMT
Wasn't there some sort of stipulation that said because we had been in the top 2 divisions of English Football that we had to comply with the all-seater requirement? I seem to remember this being mentioned around the time we were building the current ground. We've not played in the top 2 divisions since we've been at the Kassam though. Don't know if that's in any way relevant to terrace/safe standing? We were when it was started though, it was paused for quite a while due to finances. Was just thinking about a terrace being built on the open end, a classical terrace not one of the "safe" ones.
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Post by sarge on Mar 15, 2017 14:44:22 GMT
Wasn't there some sort of stipulation that said because we had been in the top 2 divisions of English Football that we had to comply with the all-seater requirement? I seem to remember this being mentioned around the time we were building the current ground. Arent Burton in the Championship ...and they have an away terrace?
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Post by SteMerritt on Mar 15, 2017 14:46:02 GMT
Wasn't there some sort of stipulation that said because we had been in the top 2 divisions of English Football that we had to comply with the all-seater requirement? I seem to remember this being mentioned around the time we were building the current ground. Arent Buton in the Championship ...and they have an away terrace? Yeah, but I believe there is a time-limit to get it changed and they will be forced to do so if they stay up there. I think Brentford still have a terrace as well, and IIRC Fulham managed to get into the Premier League and have a terrace for a season.
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Post by sarge on Mar 15, 2017 14:46:10 GMT
We've not played in the top 2 divisions since we've been at the Kassam though. Don't know if that's in any way relevant to terrace/safe standing? We were when it was started though, it was paused for quite a while due to finances. Was just thinking about a terrace being built on the open end, a classical terrace not one of the "safe" ones. ....and a low roof too that would be ideal
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Post by SteMerritt on Mar 15, 2017 14:53:39 GMT
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Post by outsidethebox on Mar 15, 2017 14:55:44 GMT
We were when it was started though, it was paused for quite a while due to finances. Was just thinking about a terrace being built on the open end, a classical terrace not one of the "safe" ones. ....and a low roof too that would be ideal And a left side and a right side. Call it The London Road! Just improve the toilets maybe ...
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Post by sarge on Mar 15, 2017 14:59:54 GMT
..... hopefully, things on that score are set to be changing
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