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Post by zach on Apr 27, 2017 8:28:09 GMT
Well having read the minutes of the last Oxvox committee meeting it would appear that aquiring the stadium is no longer a feasible option. The fact that they are now talking about converting the terms of the existing contract from a "licence" to a "lease" would support this conclusion. I for one cannot envisage Mr Kassam agreeing to such a move as it would not be to his advantage. In addition, surely this would need the agreement of Mr Eales and therefore he should be negotiating with Mr Kassam. It is obvious that there is little or no direct contact or discussion between the Supporters trust and the owner of OUFC which is a complete reversal of the situation at the start of this current season. The fact that a poster indicated that Mr Eales spoke to fans about his belief that Oxvox want him out, may well be fact rather than rumour.
For many of us the fact that the supporters trust embarked on this fantasy journey to buy the stadium, without a mandate from the wider fan base or indeed it's own membership, just beggers belief. We all were made aware of Mr Eales position in January and his fears regarding the unsustainable position the club finds itself in and how not owning the stadium was having a detrimental effect. Many of us feel that Mr Kassam played us all and has no intention to sell the stadium and in fact has an agenda to derail the club at every opportunity.
The talk of a takeover of the club may be something that could happen, however unless the ownership of the stadium is part of any deal, I and others feel that it would be an unlikely option, unless of course the new owner of the club was Mr Kassam.
The next few months may well see Mr Eales having to introduce measures that will have a detrimental effect on the future success of the club. If this is the case then let's hope those who embarked on this folly take some responsibility for their actions along with the intransigence of Mr Kassam.
We as supporters have in my opinion let Mr Eales down by not getting behind his bid to buy the stadium and force the hand of Mr Kassam. We all need to remember that the success of the last two seasons was funded by Mr Eales and his decision to invest in a strong management team.
By the start of next season we will have a clearer picture of what the future holds for the club and the structure in place. Let's all hope the main stakeholders are still in place both on the playing side and the management team. The last thing any of us want is to see our manager leave along with our best players.
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Post by saddletramp on Apr 27, 2017 9:15:55 GMT
Well having read the minutes of the last Oxvox committee meeting it would appear that aquiring the stadium is no longer a feasible option. The fact that they are now talking about converting the terms of the existing contract from a "licence" to a "lease" would support this conclusion. I for one cannot envisage Mr Kassam agreeing to such a move as it would not be to his advantage. In addition, surely this would need the agreement of Mr Eales and therefore he should be negotiating with Mr Kassam. It is obvious that there is little or no direct contact or discussion between the Supporters trust and the owner of OUFC which is a complete reversal of the situation at the start of this current season. The fact that a poster indicated that Mr Eales spoke to fans about his belief that Oxvox want him out, may well be fact rather than rumour.
For many of us the fact that the supporters trust embarked on this fantasy journey to buy the stadium, without a mandate from the wider fan base or indeed it's own membership, just beggers belief. We all were made aware of Mr Eales position in January and his fears regarding the unsustainable position the club finds itself in and how not owning the stadium was having a detrimental effect. Many of us feel that Mr Kassam played us all and has no intention to sell the stadium and in fact has an agenda to derail the club at every opportunity.
The talk of a takeover of the club may be something that could happen, however unless the ownership of the stadium is part of any deal, I and others feel that it would be an unlikely option, unless of course the new owner of the club was Mr Kassam.
The next few months may well see Mr Eales having to introduce measures that will have a detrimental effect on the future success of the club. If this is the case then let's hope those who embarked on this folly take some responsibility for their actions along with the intransigence of Mr Kassam.
We as supporters have in my opinion let Mr Eales down by not getting behind his bid to buy the stadium and force the hand of Mr Kassam. We all need to remember that the success of the last two seasons was funded by Mr Eales and his decision to invest in a strong management team.
By the start of next season we will have a clearer picture of what the future holds for the club and the structure in place. Let's all hope the main stakeholders are still in place both on the playing side and the management team. The last thing any of us want is to see our manager leave along with our best players.
Before i reply,i would just like to say i am not a member of Oxvox,but i do know lots of the people involved with the running of it. I know they have the best interest of the club at heart,were here long before Mr Eales and will be here long after he has left. I also have no connection to Mr Eales but think he has done an unbelievable job since taking over the running of OUR club. I cant begin to understand the complexities of Kassam and the stadium situation. So here's a completely uneducated view from someone with to much time on his hands. You say changing the situation of the stadium ownership from "Licence to Lease" would need the agreement of Mr Eales, why ? You say gossip says Oxvox want Mr Eales out,i can't believe that in a million years. If Oxvox have the money/backing to buy out Mr Eales,why not just do it ? So why the change from Licence to lease ? Well if and it's a big if,Oxvox and it's backers managed to get a 100yr leasehold deal on the stadium for a favourable sum, say 50% of the cost of buying it,they then are in affect owners of the stadium and can charge whatever rent they want. Kassam gets a wedge,(far more than he put in) still owns the freehold and gets loads of positive publicity. Oxvox can then strike a fair deal with Mr Eales. Then in the future,if a big money person comes in,they could buy the Club from Mr Eales and the stadium leasehold from Oxvox and its backers without dealing with Kassam. This is all hypothetical b*llshit,but if Kassam will not deal with Mr Eales,somebody has to try to break the impasse.
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Post by oxfordyankee on Apr 27, 2017 9:23:34 GMT
We as supporters have in my opinion let Mr Eales down by not getting behind his bid to buy the stadium and force the hand of Mr Kassam.
"Force the hand of Mr Kassam" Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Grow up.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 27, 2017 9:54:22 GMT
'Zach', you are an idiot with an agenda. Your anti-OxVox shit-stirring has been seen through by everyone on here repeatedly and yet still you persist. You credit rumour as fact, make unsubstantiated claims and make basic errors. Do you really think that OxVox are trying to buy the stadium? Or that anyone can force Kassam's hand? Or that the fans who make up both the committee and membership of OxVox want anything at all other than the long term good of the club?
Go back to hanging around the North Stand toilets.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 27, 2017 9:58:36 GMT
Different day - same shit
If Darryl is annoyed at not being involved in talks, then maybe he shouldn't of stopped talking to Kassam or oxvox ?
If the deals is so easy to do, why didn't Darryl do it himself ?
Darryl may have to introduce cuts, cuts that he's said he won't make, as he can fund the club all day long in this league.
If Darryl need to make cuts, how the hell is he going to buy a stadium?
Either you are very thick skinned or just thick, but surely you can see this approach isn't working, does your boss know your activities , or think this approach is working well?
As your 16 posts are all pretty much identical, and you still haven't got the answers, or had the effect you were probably hoping to cause (mass condemnation of evil oxvox) how about a different approach, tell us who you really are and the "other side of the story" You might find it gets a better reaction than this b*llshit
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Post by Jem on Apr 27, 2017 10:12:08 GMT
Well having read the minutes of the last Oxvox committee meeting it would appear that aquiring the stadium is no longer a feasible option. The fact that they are now talking about converting the terms of the existing contract from a "licence" to a "lease" would support this conclusion. I for one cannot envisage Mr Kassam agreeing to such a move as it would not be to his advantage. In addition, surely this would need the agreement of Mr Eales and therefore he should be negotiating with Mr Kassam. It is obvious that there is little or no direct contact or discussion between the Supporters trust and the owner of OUFC which is a complete reversal of the situation at the start of this current season. The fact that a poster indicated that Mr Eales spoke to fans about his belief that Oxvox want him out, may well be fact rather than rumour.
For many of us the fact that the supporters trust embarked on this fantasy journey to buy the stadium, without a mandate from the wider fan base or indeed it's own membership, just beggers belief. We all were made aware of Mr Eales position in January and his fears regarding the unsustainable position the club finds itself in and how not owning the stadium was having a detrimental effect. Many of us feel that Mr Kassam played us all and has no intention to sell the stadium and in fact has an agenda to derail the club at every opportunity.
The talk of a takeover of the club may be something that could happen, however unless the ownership of the stadium is part of any deal, I and others feel that it would be an unlikely option, unless of course the new owner of the club was Mr Kassam.
The next few months may well see Mr Eales having to introduce measures that will have a detrimental effect on the future success of the club. If this is the case then let's hope those who embarked on this folly take some responsibility for their actions along with the intransigence of Mr Kassam.
We as supporters have in my opinion let Mr Eales down by not getting behind his bid to buy the stadium and force the hand of Mr Kassam. We all need to remember that the success of the last two seasons was funded by Mr Eales and his decision to invest in a strong management team.
By the start of next season we will have a clearer picture of what the future holds for the club and the structure in place. Let's all hope the main stakeholders are still in place both on the playing side and the management team. The last thing any of us want is to see our manager leave along with our best players.
Hello 'Zack'! I've tried to keep away from replying to your posts, but this one really does make me despair and it deserves a response! Some of your earlier posts have made me think that you are someone from within, or very close to the club, but this one leads me to believe that you're not. Believe it or not, I talk and communicate with Darryl regularly and if you were doing the same, you'd know that the vast majority of what you write is utter nonsense! We have our moments, but actually we get on pretty well with Darryl, always have done! But you don't know that do you? (Or do you?!) Darryl is very approachable and easy to contact - you seem to want to talk for him, so why don't you just give him a call, or drop him an email and check out some facts? Let me know when you have ..... I'm not going to go into details and publicly talk about a whole host of confidential (and very current) stuff on a forum, because at this moment, I really can't, but I suggest we meet? I can be in Oxford on Saturday evening, Sunday before or after the game - at what ever time suits you? I'll keep it confidential with you and won't share your real name with anyone when we meet - that's a promise. So, how about it? Message me with your thoughts about the time and place to meet? Cheers Jem
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 27, 2017 11:18:35 GMT
11am , north stand toilets, cubicle 2. Check for listening devices
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 27, 2017 11:21:27 GMT
Does sound now like Zach might not be connected to Mr Eales or the board after all. Personal apologies to the current regime for being previously convinced he was.
Makes Zach's behaviour even sadder though. If he were close to Mr Eales, as least you could appreciate his loyalty. Now he just sounds like an out-and-out troublemaker.
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Post by myles on Apr 27, 2017 11:30:37 GMT
Some of your earlier posts have made me think that you are someone from within, or very close to the club, but this one leads me to believe that you're not. I'm a cynical old bar-stool, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is an effort to make you think like that. Having previously been so transparently close to the club, maybe this is just her attempt to throw you off the scent a bit...
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Post by londonroader on Apr 27, 2017 12:14:05 GMT
11am , north stand toilets, cubicle 2. Check for listening devices Better get the Oxvox committee together for a quick discussion, which N/stand toilets, male or female?
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Post by londonroader on Apr 27, 2017 12:17:34 GMT
Well having read the minutes of the last Oxvox committee meeting it would appear that aquiring the stadium is no longer a feasible option. The fact that they are now talking about converting the terms of the existing contract from a "licence" to a "lease" would support this conclusion. I for one cannot envisage Mr Kassam agreeing to such a move as it would not be to his advantage. In addition, surely this would need the agreement of Mr Eales and therefore he should be negotiating with Mr Kassam. It is obvious that there is little or no direct contact or discussion between the Supporters trust and the owner of OUFC which is a complete reversal of the situation at the start of this current season. The fact that a poster indicated that Mr Eales spoke to fans about his belief that Oxvox want him out, may well be fact rather than rumour.
For many of us the fact that the supporters trust embarked on this fantasy journey to buy the stadium, without a mandate from the wider fan base or indeed it's own membership, just beggers belief. We all were made aware of Mr Eales position in January and his fears regarding the unsustainable position the club finds itself in and how not owning the stadium was having a detrimental effect. Many of us feel that Mr Kassam played us all and has no intention to sell the stadium and in fact has an agenda to derail the club at every opportunity.
The talk of a takeover of the club may be something that could happen, however unless the ownership of the stadium is part of any deal, I and others feel that it would be an unlikely option, unless of course the new owner of the club was Mr Kassam.
The next few months may well see Mr Eales having to introduce measures that will have a detrimental effect on the future success of the club. If this is the case then let's hope those who embarked on this folly take some responsibility for their actions along with the intransigence of Mr Kassam.
We as supporters have in my opinion let Mr Eales down by not getting behind his bid to buy the stadium and force the hand of Mr Kassam. We all need to remember that the success of the last two seasons was funded by Mr Eales and his decision to invest in a strong management team.
By the start of next season we will have a clearer picture of what the future holds for the club and the structure in place. Let's all hope the main stakeholders are still in place both on the playing side and the management team. The last thing any of us want is to see our manager leave along with our best players.
Hello 'Zack'! I've tried to keep away from replying to your posts, but this one really does make me despair and it deserves a response! Some of your earlier posts have made me think that you are someone from within, or very close to the club, but this one leads me to believe that you're not. Believe it or not, I talk and communicate with Darryl regularly and if you were doing the same, you'd know that the vast majority of what you write is utter nonsense! We have our moments, but actually we get on pretty well with Darryl, always have done! But you don't know that do you? (Or do you?!) Darryl is very approachable and easy to contact - you seem to want to talk for him, so why don't you just give him a call, or drop him an email and check out some facts? Let me know when you have ..... I'm not going to go into details and publicly talk about a whole host of confidential (and very current) stuff on a forum, because at this moment, I really can't, but I suggest we meet? I can be in Oxford on Saturday evening, Sunday before or after the game - at what ever time suits you? I'll keep it confidential with you and won't share your real name with anyone when we meet - that's a promise. So, how about it? Message me with your thoughts about the time and place to meet? Cheers Jem A very reasoned post there under the prevarication, could get the name right though
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Post by old on Apr 27, 2017 12:55:34 GMT
Jem has indicated in the past that they have put a deadline in place for a deal to be agreed, the sooner that date is reached the better for all concerned. If results go our way on Sunday we will end the season so close to a playoff place, it will be excruciating. As for this thread, it's another opinion and that's what forums are all about are they not?
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 27, 2017 13:15:11 GMT
Yes, forums are all about opinions. Unfortunately this particular poster seems to be more than a forum member with strong opinions. His (or her) one single topic is the same - a thinly veiled attack on the supporters trust and their (committee) members. This is supported by a mixture of half-truths, complete untruths and speculation and an unerring ability to add 2 and 2 and get whatever number he/she first thought of. At their best, forums are also about discussion - something this poster seems unwilling to enter in to.
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Post by frankie on Apr 27, 2017 13:34:27 GMT
It seems to me that some of the conclusions that Zach has voiced are a giant leap into the worst case scenario. That may be three mixed metaphors but says exactly what I read of his comments.
However, when I read the OxVox minutes it did 'appear' to me that the discussion of a lease option was a move backwards in terms of timing from the original hope that Terms of Agreement for Stadium purchase would be signed by the end of the season. Equally I remain optimistic that discussions are moving in the right direction and I definitely accept OxVox has the best interest of OUFC at heart.
It is perfectly reasonable for us fans that are NOT ITK to fear negotiations are not progressing as we hope as we are only too aware of the history of OUFC over the years and previous difficulties in working with Mr K.
Possibly/probably Zach is an uninformed trouble making that talks bunkum. I do not know. What I do know is that I am as impatient as the next OUFC supporter to hear good news on the stadium front and try to read between the lines and mentally fill in the gaps every time I read any news from OxVox.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 27, 2017 13:47:02 GMT
I think everyone is impatient for some sort of resolution to the stadium issue. But of course, OxVox are simply acting as a facilitator in the matter, bringing interested parties together. I think we all know who has the final decision in any of this - but since he won't deal with our current owner (or if we believe him, any owner) then as far as the current stadium is concerned, this is the only game in town.
If it all goes tits up with the community stadium idea, it would be daft to start shouting at OxVox - it would be like blaming the breakdown of a marriage on the marriage guidance councillor a couple have gone to see as a last resort!
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Post by m on Apr 27, 2017 13:47:16 GMT
The internet is the single greatest imvention of my lifetime.
It is also the worst.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 27, 2017 13:49:56 GMT
I think everyone is impatient for some sort of resolution to the stadium issue. But of course, OxVox are simply acting as a facilitator in the matter, bringing interested parties together. I think we all know who has the final decision in any of this - but since he won't deal with our current owner (or if we believe him, any owner) then as far as the current stadium is concerned, this is the only game in town. If it all goes tits up with the community stadium idea, it would be daft to start shouting at OxVox - it would be like blaming the breakdown of a marriage on the marriage guidance councillor a couple have gone to see as a last resort! Well, exactly. You can bet that if - heaven forbid - the community stadium comes to nowt some people will bleat that it 'should have been left to Darryl', conveniently forgetting that Darryl could have done nothing himself as the owner won't deal with him.
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Post by headingtonutd on Apr 27, 2017 13:53:32 GMT
Same story being peddled but a switch of threads every time your nonsense is proven to be just that or your motives questioned. I have highlighted some of the gems (forgive the pun). It is obvious that there is little or no direct contact or discussion between the Supporters trust and the owner of OUFC
Nonsense. Jem and OxVox has repeatedly said there is regular contact between OxVox and OUFC. Find us some proof that this isn't the case or apologise to those involved and stop suggesting otherwise. For many of us the fact that the supporters trust embarked on this fantasy journey to buy the stadium, without a mandate from the wider fan base or indeed it's own membership, just beggers belief.Who are the many of you? The OxVox committee are elected and have a clear mandate. They have also kept the membership (and this forum) very well updated on their aims. Where is your mandate and who elected you spokesperson? We all were made aware of Mr Eales position in January and his fears regarding the unsustainable position the club finds itself in and how not owning the stadium was having a detrimental effect. Many of us feel that Mr Kassam played us all and has no intention to sell the stadium and in fact has an agenda to derail the club at every opportunity.
Yes, after telling us the stadium was not urgent or vital to sustainability on arrival DE did then review his opinion and in January did question long term sustainability without the stadium. This was however after negotiations with FK had broken down so badly that they did not speak, were fighting each other in court and DE even stopped using his name in connection with the stadium. I also suspect that by that time, and in full knowledge of DE and with his blessing, OxVox had begun negotiations with FK. The next few months may well see Mr Eales having to introduce measures that will have a detrimental effect on the future success of the club. If this is the case then let's hope those who embarked on this folly take some responsibility for their actions along with the intransigence of Mr Kassam.This is priceless. DE very openly and honestly spoke about finances (to his absolute credit) and quite clearly spoke about being able to finance the club at this level 'all day long'. How the hell has OxVox trying to get the ground out of Kassam's hands and in to ours been to the detriment of DE or impacted the club's finances. This is pathetic scaremongering at best and almost laughable. I am starting to think you don't have ties to the club but to the Daily Mail. We as supporters have in my opinion let Mr Eales down by not getting behind his bid to buy the stadium and force the hand of Mr Kassam
How exactly have we done that Zach? He had our full support in his attempt to by the stadium, ours and OxVox's (although I am nothing more than a member I hasten to add). By the time OxVox stepped in DE and FK were not even speaking. DE still has every right to negotiate with Kassam if he can. We are right behind him if he pulls it off. The last thing any of us want is to see our manager leave along with our best players.
And finally....turn on OxVox or Mapps will leave and take all our best players?? DE owns the club, Nobody can make him sell if he doesn't want to. It is my understanding the Mapps is on a rolling contract so is contracted to the club, hence he only leaves if DE wants him to. The players are also on contracts and can't just be taken like luggage. Nothing OxVox are doing is affecting anything that DE does in any way, shape or form. He can still negotiate with Kassam, it doesn't cost him a penny and all that is actually happening is that progress is being made where previously there was impasse. Care to comment on any of this?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 27, 2017 13:55:29 GMT
Care to comment on any of this? Of course not! Zach is a hit and run merchant, not a debater. He/she has yet to respond to a single question.
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Post by Mark on Apr 27, 2017 14:02:21 GMT
What are the mandate / objectives of Oxvox these days? I can't see a link to their articles of association on their website anymore.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Apr 27, 2017 18:28:52 GMT
Who remembers Fred and Mario talking to each other on forums?
Utterly ridiculous.
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Post by Jem on Apr 27, 2017 22:54:19 GMT
Who remembers Fred and Mario talking to each other on forums? Utterly ridiculous. Looks like there is potentially the same thing going on with this thread too! Just wish I could get my around what the agenda is.
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Post by rickyotto on Apr 28, 2017 1:31:20 GMT
I'm with Zachary and his request.
I fully support Darryl in purchasing the stadium and reference this post as my formal pressure on Firoz Kassam to sell.
Is the stadium ours yet?
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Post by essexyellows on Apr 28, 2017 10:22:38 GMT
What are the mandate / objectives of Oxvox these days? I can't see a link to their articles of association on their website anymore. Come along Mark,its stuff like AoA`s that discourages folk from joining! www.oxvox.org.uk/about/ Even the front page has this on it: "OxVox is a non profit making Supporters Trust, run by fans, for fans, with membership open to all Oxford United supporters everywhere. We are committed to the success of our Football Club and having pro‑active and mutually beneficial communication with all stakeholders, including the local community, local council(s), relevant media, the Club and other supporters groups." By default they are mandated to discuss, as above, by their membership via their democratic process. Those who want to "get involved" can, those who "just" want to be a member can. We tend to forget the "roots" of the organisation, and that various individuals, over the years, have attempted to use the organisation as their own vehicle to the "top table". Having a Trust to represent us to those that will make the big calls is something to be celebrated and encouraged not bogged down in paperwork. Have they bought the Ground yet?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 28, 2017 10:35:13 GMT
I posted on TIU from about 2006, but I don't remember Fred & Mario. Please explain someone!
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Post by essexyellows on Apr 28, 2017 11:12:50 GMT
I posted on TIU from about 2006, but I don't remember Fred & Mario. Please explain someone! If you weren`t there you don`t need to know..... those who are ITK are ITK thats how life is........ bit like the South Stand toilets...
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 28, 2017 12:15:27 GMT
I posted on TIU from about 2006, but I don't remember Fred & Mario. Please explain someone! If you weren`t there you don`t need to know..... those who are ITK are ITK thats how life is........ bit like the South Stand toilets... Ah, but you can always rely on someone bringing you up to date. I am now fully ITK and, frankly, feeling pretty damn smug about it.
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Post by victor1986 on May 7, 2017 17:38:38 GMT
In the Sunday Times Rich List today Firoz Kassam is at No. 371. Description of assets: ..."he owns the Oxford United Stadium which he plans to sell to a community Consortium" - now the ST is usually extremely well informed for this list so I reckon we can deduct that his off-loading of the stadium is not too far away? Discuss?
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Post by MJB on May 7, 2017 18:42:49 GMT
In the Sunday Times Rich List today Firoz Kassam is at No. 371. Description of assets: ..."he owns the Oxford United Stadium which he plans to sell to a community Consortium" - now the ST is usually extremely well informed for this list so I reckon we can deduct that his off-loading of the stadium is not too far away? Discuss? It may well be true (fingers crossed), but having worked with researchers from the Times in the past, I wouldn't take this as gospel. Plus, it only says "plans", which has already been in the public domain for nine months or so.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 7, 2017 18:46:13 GMT
He plans to give/sell the stadium to the trust, using the profit to buy the club back from eales 😉
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