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Post by brassmonkey on Feb 9, 2017 11:29:34 GMT
If a fan share issue was implemented regarding purchasing the stadium how much would you invest?
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Post by brassmonkey on Feb 10, 2017 12:13:39 GMT
So after 39 votes.
a few thoughts
The minimum amount invested, (taking the lowest amount on each category) is £87,250 The largest amount invested, (taking the highest amount on each category is £218,250 The median is therefore £152,750
If this (39 fans) is a fair reflection of our supporter base then multiplying this figure by 50 to take it to just under 2000 fans (a conservative figure imho) there is around £7.63 mill of investment
I personally think 10 mill would be quite easily attainable from our supporters without any super investors.
Of course a lot of this is unsubstantial and relies on there being no internet trolls etc.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Feb 10, 2017 12:20:34 GMT
Personally, before I 'invested' I would want to know some details. Mostly around the terms on which the club would be playing in the stadium, the security of tenure, the provision for stadium maintenance and/or possible expansion, details of the trust running the stadium etc.
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Post by charliesghost on Feb 10, 2017 12:47:04 GMT
So after 39 votes. a few thoughts The minimum amount invested, (taking the lowest amount on each category) is £87,250 The largest amount invested, (taking the highest amount on each category is £218,250 The median is therefore £152,750 If this (39 fans) is a fair reflection of our supporter base then multiplying this figure by 50 to take it to just under 2000 fans (a conservative figure imho) there is around £7.63 mill of investment I personally think 10 mill would be quite easily attainable from our supporters without any super investors. Of course a lot of this is unsubstantial and relies on there being no internet trolls etc. Well, clearly it is not reflective of our supporter base. This forum contains many of the more passionate and more educated of our fans, and probably average age is north of 40. So this Board would be a key demographic for the fundraise. I think it does demonstrate that there is very good appetite at around the £5000 level, and a few bigger investors, too. It is not unreasonable to think that if two people out of 40 say they are willing to contribute over £50k then it is highly probably that £1 million will be able to be raised from a small number of significant investors. And that 200 £5k punters would be reasonable for another £1 million. It may well be that more than that is possible. But in my experience, actually extracting hard cash is always a little harder than one thinks!
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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 10, 2017 13:02:24 GMT
Educated and over 40 . Speak for yourself
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Post by ox4eva on Feb 10, 2017 13:03:40 GMT
I have been advocating this idea for a while, I have a couple of mates who are Chelsea pitch shareholders and they have many investors of course.
Saying you will pay is a bit different to doing it of course!
But if its done right and also if the circumstances are right then I can't see how it would not work.
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Post by charliesghost on Feb 10, 2017 13:27:04 GMT
Educated and over 40 . Speak for yourself Didn't say 'well-educated' of course. Set the bar quite low....
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Post by trainingcone on Feb 10, 2017 13:28:14 GMT
How about a pitch owner scheme which safe guards the pitch, a bit similar to the Scheme at Chelsea. A scheme that somebody could buy a square foot of the pitch for £100?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 10, 2017 13:34:58 GMT
Is it an investment or just a donation? Etc
I would need to know a lot more before investing more than a £100.
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Post by headingtonutd on Feb 10, 2017 13:47:09 GMT
So after 39 votes. a few thoughts The minimum amount invested, (taking the lowest amount on each category) is £87,250 The largest amount invested, (taking the highest amount on each category is £218,250 The median is therefore £152,750 If this (39 fans) is a fair reflection of our supporter base then multiplying this figure by 50 to take it to just under 2000 fans (a conservative figure imho) there is around £7.63 mill of investment I personally think 10 mill would be quite easily attainable from our supporters without any super investors. Of course a lot of this is unsubstantial and relies on there being no internet trolls etc. Well, clearly it is not reflective of our supporter base. This forum contains many of the more passionate and more educated of our fans, and probably average age is north of 40. So this Board would be a key demographic for the fundraise. I think it does demonstrate that there is very good appetite at around the £5000 level, and a few bigger investors, too. It is not unreasonable to think that if two people out of 40 say they are willing to contribute over £50k then it is highly probably that £1 million will be able to be raised from a small number of significant investors. And that 200 £5k punters would be reasonable for another £1 million. It may well be that more than that is possible. But in my experience, actually extracting hard cash is always a little harder than one thinks! I agree that talk is cheap. People pledge money with all good intentions but when it comes time to stump up then the realities of life start to weigh against. Having said that I was stunned at how my little village managed to very quickly get together 1/2m plus to buy our local pub. A similar venture in many ways as that investment would most likely see little return and was done for the good of something we wanted to protect and prosper and as good as our local could be and as much as I love it (I really do), it doesn't quite have the scope that OUFC does. Thanks to the press and social media I think people are very aware of the importance of these negotiations and I think if the right deal is reached then we will raise more money than many would imagine, but I guess the proof of the pudding and all that...
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Post by brassmonkey on Feb 10, 2017 14:29:05 GMT
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Post by foley on Feb 10, 2017 16:25:13 GMT
Educated and over 40 . Speak for yourself Maybe not educated oufcyellows..
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Post by foley on Feb 10, 2017 16:30:21 GMT
I totally agree that it is far more difficult getting people to actually put their hands in their pocket to physically pay money over.
Having said that, there are ventures that have raised a lot of money and with the feel good factor within the club, if it is done very well then I am sure that significant funds could be raised. Oxvox have suggested a share issue and so I assume that they have already thought about this.
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Post by ox4eva on Feb 10, 2017 16:39:00 GMT
If the ground does become a community facility then some type of share scheme then the fans could fund the 4th stand so the fans of the club own a stake in the ground.
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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 10, 2017 16:59:21 GMT
Educated and over 40 . Speak for yourself Maybe not educated oufcyellows.. 2 gce's
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Post by The Fence End on Feb 10, 2017 18:49:46 GMT
I would never invest in football, impossible to make money from it.
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Post by ioualways on Feb 10, 2017 19:08:17 GMT
I would never invest in football, impossible to make money from it. For that reason it's daft to even consider it an investment. I remember contributing some money when it looked as though the mighty yellows might be going out of existence. Do I feel the lack of that money now? Of course not. I'd do the same thing now if it meant the club or the community getting hold of the stadium, and would only think of it as money spent on a good cause.
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Post by The Fence End on Feb 10, 2017 19:10:36 GMT
Yep, gift maybe if affordable but it's silly to think any investment into football will give you a decent return, particularly outside of the Premier League. I'm sure those investing in the stadium deal are aware of this.
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Post by kidintheriot on Feb 10, 2017 19:25:27 GMT
Yep, gift maybe if affordable but it's silly to think any investment into football will give you a decent return, particularly outside of the Premier League. I'm sure those investing in the stadium deal are aware of this. Is this an investment in football? Or an investment in real estate? Either way its impossible to say how much you'd invest without seeing any terms, however if the opening question is really "how much would you throw at the project knowing you may never see it again" then easier to come up with a figure, probably only a few grand for me.
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Post by makv on Feb 10, 2017 20:15:35 GMT
Yep, gift maybe if affordable but it's silly to think any investment into football will give you a decent return, particularly outside of the Premier League. I'm sure those investing in the stadium deal are aware of this. Is this an investment in football? Or an investment in real estate? Either way its impossible to say how much you'd invest without seeing any terms, however if the opening question is really "how much would you throw at the project knowing you may never see it again" then easier to come up with a figure, probably only a few grand for me. I kinda think that was the question. Investment is probably the wrong word, as that implies a sale of said share in the future.
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Post by oxymoron on Feb 10, 2017 20:21:25 GMT
If some sort of share issue were to be contemplated to raise funds for stadium repair and improvements post acquisition, then it's important not to forget the little guys.
Talk of 200 fans anteing up £5k each may or may not be feasible, but if that were the minimum level of contribution, then 200 may well be the limit and with £5k in the hole, l would expect some sort of voting rights and the possibility of dividends.
Issue 100,000 non-voting, non-dividend paying shares at (say) £10 and people can buy one, two, ten, fifty, a hundred - you get my drift. OK, it's no investment, but I'd bet a lot of people that can't afford contributions of hundreds or thousands of pounds would happily chip in with their tenners without any thought of return, on the basis that they would own a little bit of the club, even if it was just a piece of paper.
Perhaps both of these scenarios are viable - then we would have £2m to play with......
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Post by charliesghost on Feb 13, 2017 0:01:41 GMT
If some sort of share issue were to be contemplated to raise funds for stadium repair and improvements post acquisition, then it's important not to forget the little guys. Talk of 200 fans anteing up £5k each may or may not be feasible, but if that were the minimum level of contribution, then 200 may well be the limit and with £5k in the hole, l would expect some sort of voting rights and the possibility of dividends. Issue 100,000 non-voting, non-dividend paying shares at (say) £10 and people can buy one, two, ten, fifty, a hundred - you get my drift. OK, it's no investment, but I'd bet a lot of people that can't afford contributions of hundreds or thousands of pounds would happily chip in with their tenners without any thought of return, on the basis that they would own a little bit of the club, even if it was just a piece of paper. Perhaps both of these scenarios are viable - then we would have £2m to play with...... Yes - as I said, I think that two different levels may be feasible. One as a general fanbase, represented by OxVox. And then those who can put more in, who doubtless would look for their own representation if they're going to put £50,000 plus on the line.
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Post by oufcyellows on Feb 13, 2017 7:35:13 GMT
If some sort of share issue were to be contemplated to raise funds for stadium repair and improvements post acquisition, then it's important not to forget the little guys. Talk of 200 fans anteing up £5k each may or may not be feasible, but if that were the minimum level of contribution, then 200 may well be the limit and with £5k in the hole, l would expect some sort of voting rights and the possibility of dividends. Issue 100,000 non-voting, non-dividend paying shares at (say) £10 and people can buy one, two, ten, fifty, a hundred - you get my drift. OK, it's no investment, but I'd bet a lot of people that can't afford contributions of hundreds or thousands of pounds would happily chip in with their tenners without any thought of return, on the basis that they would own a little bit of the club, even if it was just a piece of paper. Perhaps both of these scenarios are viable - then we would have £2m to play with...... Yes - as I said, I think that two different levels may be feasible. One as a general fanbase, represented by OxVox. And then those who can put more in, who doubtless would look for their own representation if they're going to put £50,000 plus on the line. But that's then suggesting your 50k is more important to you as a rich person that 2k is to the average person.
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Post by southoxox on Feb 13, 2017 21:44:33 GMT
It was done at Harlequins Rugby club a year or so ago, they raised £7.5m for relatively unspecified purposes. Word on the street is they're lining up a new £20m one to turn their ground into a 25000 bowl stadium.
They offer a relatively healthy return rate so not sure of the financial logic to something like this though. Eales being in the banking world may have access to cheap money if he were to be involved in a purchase.
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