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Post by finlandia on Jan 4, 2017 19:18:35 GMT
It's a good point though - let's say that was always the plan CPF. KS is no longer the only option.
Interesting few months ahead
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Post by ox4eva on Jan 4, 2017 20:15:55 GMT
So what's OCC part in this?
Personally OCFC have never meant anything to me and I view them just like Didcot town or Abingdon etc with all due respect to the followers of OCFC. If there is any revenue to make then will this be split 50/50?
Sure I heard mention of the OUFC ladies team using this as well, I really can't understand the point of having a shop there, so does that mean the city centre shop will now be off the to do list?
I hope it works out as a training facility for the U's but can't really see it offering us much else unless further land is made available and OCC play their part which I doubt will happen!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 4, 2017 20:16:02 GMT
So are we moving offices to CPF? If all the training is there as a permanent basis it seems sensible to have manager's office there etc. Let's get to the point. Will there be an expresso machine? Will it have a ristretto option? Will manorlounger get amaretti with his machiato?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 4, 2017 20:34:07 GMT
So are we moving offices to CPF? If all the training is there as a permanent basis it seems sensible to have manager's office there etc. Let's get to the point. Will there be an expresso machine? Will it have a ristretto option? Will manorlounger get amaretti with his machiato? Not if I beat him to it
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Post by headingtonutd on Jan 4, 2017 20:37:40 GMT
So are we moving offices to CPF? If all the training is there as a permanent basis it seems sensible to have manager's office there etc. Let's get to the point. Will there be an expresso machine? Will it have a ristretto option? Will manorlounger get amaretti with his machiato? Surely you mean a barista who is adept at hand frothing?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 4, 2017 21:14:57 GMT
I've not noticed anyone hand-frothing in the Blackbird and their coffee makes Starbucks' taste like Cadburys' Smash.
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Post by headingtonutd on Jan 4, 2017 21:21:07 GMT
If you're brave enough to order a coffee in the Blackbird old chap, you deserve hand frothing in my book.
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Post by minime on Jan 4, 2017 21:23:28 GMT
Couple of things: Presumably there will be professional quality grass training pitches there too for first team and academy squads? Why train on artificial grass and then play games on real grass? Will the club offices be moved there? If so will new buildings have to be built? Could this be the first stage in developing Court Place Farm to a 10k plus capacity stadium fit for use in League One and become a home for both clubs? I hope they reach an agreement which is good for all parties and each parties know and are very very clear on who is responsible for paying what to avoid any falling outs in the future. If the club are looking at the Championship a 20K minimum stadium is really required. your f*cking cuckoo
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jan 4, 2017 21:26:56 GMT
If you're brave enough to order a coffee in the Blackbird old chap, you deserve hand frothing in my book. I shall mention this to the very helpful staff before the next home game
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Post by minime on Jan 4, 2017 21:38:48 GMT
Couple of things: Presumably there will be professional quality grass training pitches there too for first team and academy squads? Why train on artificial grass and then play games on real grass? Will the club offices be moved there? If so will new buildings have to be built? Could this be the first stage in developing Court Place Farm to a 10k plus capacity stadium fit for use in League One and become a home for both clubs? I hope they reach an agreement which is good for all parties and each parties know and are very very clear on who is responsible for paying what to avoid any falling outs in the future. If the club are looking at the Championship a 20K minimum stadium is really required. To date, on the back of a very good last season (Promotion, Wembley final etc), OUFC have played (to date) 17 competitive matches this season at the Kassam (inc friendlies and cups). OUFC's total attendance for those 17 games is 123,506. This works out at an average of 7,265.05 per game. If you just look at league games (to date), 12 of them, then the total attendance is 103,115. This works out at an average of 8,592.92 per game. If you continue in the same vein, where the hell can you see an "extra" 12,000 REGUALR supporters per home game going to come from? Even allowing for a sell out away allocation of say 3,000, you would still need to pull in an extra 9,000 home fans every home game. Mate, without being disrespectful, OUFC couldn't even sell out the allocation at Wembley in April of circa 33/34,000 and that's for a Wembley cup final, so to think you are going to pull in 17,000 home supporters against the likes of Blackburn, Burton, Ipswich and I'll add Hull City to that list to as I think they're dead and buried, then I am sorry, but you're in cloud cuckoo land pal
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Post by smilingbo on Jan 4, 2017 22:07:09 GMT
I think that this is very interesting news. I can understand why it seems to be win/win for all parties involved. It would really suit OCC if they can get both clubs existing in one stadium long term; it means there would be a significant area for development for housing at GR. There would need to be some significant work around infrastructure though.
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Post by daveoufc on Jan 4, 2017 22:09:57 GMT
I dont think we need a 20 000 seater. Nor do I want to sit in such a ground when we are playing crap and the novelties worn off for many. 12 an half is about right for us always has been in my 27 yrs of watching. Spread out over 4 steep enclosed stands would be ideal bung in as many boxes for those who like that sort of thing. Mid table championship side punching above our weight playing sat at 3 in front of 10 000 most weeks lovely.
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Post by grenobleroad on Jan 4, 2017 22:10:56 GMT
If the club are looking at the Championship a 20K minimum stadium is really required. To date, on the back of a very good last season (Promotion, Wembley final etc), OUFC have played (to date) 17 competitive matches this season at the Kassam (inc friendlies and cups). OUFC's total attendance for those 17 games is 123,506. This works out at an average of 7,265.05 per game. If you just look at league games (to date), 12 of them, then the total attendance is 103,115. This works out at an average of 8,592.92 per game. If you continue in the same vein, where the hell can you see an "extra" 12,000 REGUALR supporters per home game going to come from? Even allowing for a sell out away allocation of say 3,000, you would still need to pull in an extra 9,000 home fans every home game. Mate, without being disrespectful, OUFC couldn't even sell out the allocation at Wembley in April of circa 33/34,000 and that's for a Wembley cup final, so to think you are going to pull in 17,000 home supporters against the likes of Blackburn, Burton, Ipswich and I'll add Hull City to that list to as I think they're dead and buried, then I am sorry, but you're in cloud cuckoo land pal Cloud cuckoo land? Do you not understand how football works? The higher in the leagues and more successful you get the more people come. Simple. Look at our average attendance home and away this season compared to last. We could average 15-20k easy in the championship eventually.
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Post by Mark on Jan 4, 2017 22:16:40 GMT
Glad to hear our fans have no ambition to get crowds over 12k. Didn't do Reading or Bournemouth any problems getting fans in.
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Post by bullox on Jan 4, 2017 22:21:51 GMT
If the club are looking at the Championship a 20K minimum stadium is really required. To date, on the back of a very good last season (Promotion, Wembley final etc), OUFC have played (to date) 17 competitive matches this season at the Kassam (inc friendlies and cups). OUFC's total attendance for those 17 games is 123,506. This works out at an average of 7,265.05 per game. If you just look at league games (to date), 12 of them, then the total attendance is 103,115. This works out at an average of 8,592.92 per game. If you continue in the same vein, where the hell can you see an "extra" 12,000 REGUALR supporters per home game going to come from? Even allowing for a sell out away allocation of say 3,000, you would still need to pull in an extra 9,000 home fans every home game. Mate, without being disrespectful, OUFC couldn't even sell out the allocation at Wembley in April of circa 33/34,000 and that's for a Wembley cup final, so to think you are going to pull in 17,000 home supporters against the likes of Blackburn, Burton, Ipswich and I'll add Hull City to that list to as I think they're dead and buried, then I am sorry, but you're in cloud cuckoo land pal Was that the FA Cup or the League Cup? No, it was the JPT final, so I think you are being disrespectful (as is the mate and pal stuff in the same sentence).
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Post by daveoufc on Jan 4, 2017 22:23:13 GMT
To date, on the back of a very good last season (Promotion, Wembley final etc), OUFC have played (to date) 17 competitive matches this season at the Kassam (inc friendlies and cups). OUFC's total attendance for those 17 games is 123,506. This works out at an average of 7,265.05 per game. If you just look at league games (to date), 12 of them, then the total attendance is 103,115. This works out at an average of 8,592.92 per game. If you continue in the same vein, where the hell can you see an "extra" 12,000 REGUALR supporters per home game going to come from? Even allowing for a sell out away allocation of say 3,000, you would still need to pull in an extra 9,000 home fans every home game. Mate, without being disrespectful, OUFC couldn't even sell out the allocation at Wembley in April of circa 33/34,000 and that's for a Wembley cup final, so to think you are going to pull in 17,000 home supporters against the likes of Blackburn, Burton, Ipswich and I'll add Hull City to that list to as I think they're dead and buried, then I am sorry, but you're in cloud cuckoo land pal Cloud cuckoo land? Do you not understand how football works? The higher in the leagues and more successful you get the more people come. Simple. Look at our average attendance home and away this season compared to last. We could average 15-20k easy in the championship eventually. Once we have 8000 + season ticket holders and have a waiting list and regularly sell out. Put a premium price on the seats avaliable. Then stick another tier on.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 4, 2017 22:27:50 GMT
If the club are looking at the Championship a 20K minimum stadium is really required. To date, on the back of a very good last season (Promotion, Wembley final etc), OUFC have played (to date) 17 competitive matches this season at the Kassam (inc friendlies and cups). OUFC's total attendance for those 17 games is 123,506. This works out at an average of 7,265.05 per game. If you just look at league games (to date), 12 of them, then the total attendance is 103,115. This works out at an average of 8,592.92 per game. If you continue in the same vein, where the hell can you see an "extra" 12,000 REGUALR supporters per home game going to come from? Even allowing for a sell out away allocation of say 3,000, you would still need to pull in an extra 9,000 home fans every home game. Mate, without being disrespectful, OUFC couldn't even sell out the allocation at Wembley in April of circa 33/34,000 and that's for a Wembley cup final, so to think you are going to pull in 17,000 home supporters against the likes of Blackburn, Burton, Ipswich and I'll add Hull City to that list to as I think they're dead and buried, then I am sorry, but you're in cloud cuckoo land pal Harsh, as in the 17 u are including a p*ss pot trophy match that about 1k turn uk to and an fa cup replay that was about 3k. U say we won't get those attendances yet look at teams like Swansea, Wigan, reading, Brighton they were all getting similar attendances to what we do at this level, what are they now ? And our catchment area is massive compared to them with no other major team within miles, the better we do and the higher we go the more floating fans we will drag this way from places between here and mk and here and reading.
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Jan 5, 2017 1:27:10 GMT
Any word from oxvox on this??? At the moment their seems to be a real split camp.....DE with this deal and the oxvox/Kassam link up??
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 5, 2017 6:44:00 GMT
Any word from oxvox on this??? At the moment their seems to be a real split camp.....DE with this deal and the oxvox/Kassam link up?? 1/ is a stadium , the other is a training ground
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Post by manorlounger on Jan 5, 2017 7:07:16 GMT
So are we moving offices to CPF? If all the training is there as a permanent basis it seems sensible to have manager's office there etc. Let's get to the point. Will there be an expresso machine? Will it have a ristretto option? Will manorlounger get amaretti with his machiato? Good lord man! Any suggestion to the contrary will be met with stiff opposition. Standards must be maintained.
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Post by fourthstand on Jan 5, 2017 7:08:32 GMT
Come on BMW, extend the lease for six more months. Seems the obvious interim solution. As a back up plan i am willing to offer the house spare room/office to MAPP and back garden for a kick around.
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Post by foley on Jan 5, 2017 7:38:54 GMT
If the club are looking at the Championship a 20K minimum stadium is really required. your f*cking cuckoo Adding quality to the debate.....
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Post by concretebob on Jan 5, 2017 9:55:55 GMT
RE - crowds if we got to the championship. If we were to play teams like Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Newcastle (dare I say Reading?) week in week out our average crowds would certainly shoot up.
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Post by foley on Jan 5, 2017 10:25:35 GMT
If the club are looking at the Championship a 20K minimum stadium is really required. To date, on the back of a very good last season (Promotion, Wembley final etc), OUFC have played (to date) 17 competitive matches this season at the Kassam (inc friendlies and cups). OUFC's total attendance for those 17 games is 123,506. This works out at an average of 7,265.05 per game. If you just look at league games (to date), 12 of them, then the total attendance is 103,115. This works out at an average of 8,592.92 per game. If you continue in the same vein, where the hell can you see an "extra" 12,000 REGUALR supporters per home game going to come from? Even allowing for a sell out away allocation of say 3,000, you would still need to pull in an extra 9,000 home fans every home game. Mate, without being disrespectful, OUFC couldn't even sell out the allocation at Wembley in April of circa 33/34,000 and that's for a Wembley cup final, so to think you are going to pull in 17,000 home supporters against the likes of Blackburn, Burton, Ipswich and I'll add Hull City to that list to as I think they're dead and buried, then I am sorry, but you're in cloud cuckoo land pal With all due respect pal, I am looking at potential. Reading had crowds of 4000 to 5000 for many years and in the late 90's crowds of 8000 or so in the Championship equivalent. DE is trying to grow crowds. Even if we were to get into the Championship next season there would be times where the ground would be nowhere near big enough in my view. To get into the Championship and survive you would need to have a ground of 20K plus (except for Bournemouth who else in the Top 2 Divisions is succeeding with a smaller ground?) Rotherham, Burton, Brentford (who are moving to a bigger ground) and QPR are the only ones with a smaller ground. Oxford's ground was designed to get to 20,000 if we got back to the championship (4th stand and filling in the corners). DE is aiming for the Championship. If we limited our ground to 15,000 in my view we are really aiming to be the top half of League 1 rather than the Championship. Incidentally we are not really talking of those crowds for every game. Reading's crowds for example go from 14,000 to 21,000 and average 17,000.
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Post by Kairdiff Exile on Jan 5, 2017 11:45:30 GMT
The problem with all these demands for a 20-25,000 capacity ground is that they assume we'll be playing at a high level in front of huge crowds in perpetuity. As anyone who has watched us over the last 30 years will tell you, that cannot be the case. Clubs get promoted, clubs get relegated. There will be times when we're playing Liverpool, there will be times when we're playing Lewes. But the games where you sell out will always be significantly outnumbered by the games where you don't. And if there's one thing we know from the CONference years at Grenoble Road, it's that watching football in a less-than-half-empty ground is a miserable experience.
Given the choice, I'd like us to have a ground with a 12-15k capacity, with significant provision within it for safe standing and for good corporate facilities. That way, in the boom years we can hope to sell it out (or nearly sell it out) on a regular basis and to make money from the corporates - and in the lean years, when we're at the 5,000-6,000 level of crowds, it won't be as embarrassing and there will still be parts of the ground where we can generate atmosphere.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jan 5, 2017 12:33:07 GMT
This is an interesting dilemma, isn't it?
I believe we should be looking at the future potential of this club. Not so long ago, Reading couldn't have imagined playing in a 30,000 seat stadium, even if they rarely hit capacity.
No reason Oxford / Oxfordshire can't emulate their gates in the 15,000 to 20,000 range with occasional full houses. We shouldn't pay too much attention to the club's previous average attendances. Gates when we were last in the top two tiers were not high, but they were different times with crowds at rock bottom everywhere due to hooliganism and other factors, and before the influx of a new breed of clientele into the game.
Full cost / benefit analysis is obviously required: how much more would it cost to build a 30,000 stadium versus a 20,000 one, and might the extra cost be retrieved from occasional bigger gates.
Of course it would be mortifying to be getting 5,000 crowds in a 30,000 stadium should we end up back in L2, but you don't build what is effectively a new club with that sort of negative mindset, do you?
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Post by Mark on Jan 5, 2017 12:42:55 GMT
The problem with all these demands for a 20-25,000 capacity ground is that they assume we'll be playing at a high level in front of huge crowds in perpetuity. As anyone who has watched us over the last 30 years will tell you, that cannot be the case. Clubs get promoted, clubs get relegated. There will be times when we're playing Liverpool, there will be times when we're playing Lewes. But the games where you sell out will always be significantly outnumbered by the games where you don't. And if there's one thing we know from the CONference years at Grenoble Road, it's that watching football in a less-than-half-empty ground is a miserable experience. Given the choice, I'd like us to have a ground with a 12-15k capacity, with significant provision within it for safe standing and for good corporate facilities. That way, in the boom years we can hope to sell it out (or nearly sell it out) on a regular basis and to make money from the corporates - and in the lean years, when we're at the 5,000-6,000 level of crowds, it won't be as embarrassing and there will still be parts of the ground where we can generate atmosphere. Something like Rotherham's New York ground has I think a capacity of 12,000 with opportunity to expand. Also look at Brighton's ground where they've expanded it (but cost a hell of a lot more). have a read of this:- www.cmgraduate.co.uk/files/strategy.pdf
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Post by kidintheriot on Jan 5, 2017 14:15:35 GMT
Why don't we build a 12,500 capacity ground with three stands, then we could add a fourth if needed boosting us to the 15,000-20,000 that would be needed if things are going well.
Would perhaps be a little odd and embarrassing to have a stand missing, but we could use a fence at one end to make it feel more closed in.
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Post by holdsteady on Jan 5, 2017 16:16:33 GMT
Why don't we build a 12,500 capacity ground with three stands, then we could add a fourth if needed boosting us to the 15,000-20,000 that would be needed if things are going well. Would perhaps be a little odd and embarrassing to have a stand missing, but we could use a fence at one end to make it feel more closed in. Next you will be saying that some idiot will buy the club but not the new ground and agree to an exorbitant rent while giving away all the commercial income from the ground, you are just being ridiculous, no one would do any of that.
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Post by daveoufc on Jan 5, 2017 17:29:48 GMT
Any word from oxvox on this??? At the moment their seems to be a real split camp.....DE with this deal and the oxvox/Kassam link up?? I was thinking the same. Didnt one of our oxvox men Jem or Colin (apologies cant remember whom) mention oxvox would issue a statement this week to clarify a few things. Be nice to hear a. We welcome the training ground news things are still progressing well on stadium. De is still fully behind us type statement if possible.
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