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Post by thesecretposter on Sept 29, 2016 7:41:43 GMT
We have a fantastic chairman and to a wider degree board but for him to think fans will just come back to Chekatrade Trophy games just because premier league B teams won't be involved in the football league going forward is very naive. This is about the decision our club made with regards to the Checkatrade Trophy initially. I know he didn't vote for the changes but we've already made a stand and to just go back to games would be hypocritical. It's clearly about getting bums on seats and money in the coffers. I'm sorry but football isn't just about money I don't care what anyone says. We need to continue to boycott Checkatrade Trophy games. m.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/14771608.Oxford_United_chairman_Darryl_Eales_believes___39_B_team__39__decision_may_change_Checkatrade_Trophy_outlook/
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 29, 2016 7:47:14 GMT
While I wont be going, I think he's right and a fair few more will be returning now, after all the boycott was to stop b teams entering the league. This whole game solution would have been suggested anyway, even if the p*ss pot trophy had remained the same as last season. Swindon would have been the only one I'd have attended anyway
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Post by saddletramp on Sept 29, 2016 7:52:23 GMT
Really ? Why naive ? The supposed boycott was because of the fear of football league teams joining the EFL.That fear has been removed so just what is the boycott about ? P.S. Yes he did vote for the changes in the EFL trophy.
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Post by essexyellows on Sept 29, 2016 8:13:10 GMT
Complete corporate pish. The "natives" have kicked up a fuss...tell them its not going to happen (yet) ...come back in 12 months when they least expect it.
The "whole game" thing will happen, money always wins. There is already talk of midweek FA Cup ties to create a winter break. The FL Trophy was weak enough to mess around with, the League Cup isn`t far behind and now the FA Cup, the very core of football hopes & dreams, is "up for development in how it is run".
Why? Premier League and the endless quest for money.
You wouldn`t get me to one of these bastard games if you paid me.
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Post by KLYellow on Sept 29, 2016 8:15:42 GMT
Personally I feel they should scrap the whole thing. Football is getting saturated and now we are in Div 1, this trophy is of even less significance. Our priorities are 1) League, 2) FA Cup, 3) League Cup then the Trophy. If you look at attendances for the League Cup, I feel thats losing interest.
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Post by Junior on Sept 29, 2016 8:17:57 GMT
First time in a long time we've heard from Eales and it's about this. Not sure why he's needed to comment on this? We won't be getting any gate receipts from the scum or Chelsea so whys he bothered? Between him and his board they voted this so IMO he should just keep quiet until it all comes up again.
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Post by arthurturner on Sept 29, 2016 8:32:42 GMT
First time in a long time we've heard from Eales and it's about this. Not sure why he's needed to comment on this? We won't be getting any gate receipts from the scum or Chelsea so whys he bothered? Between him and his board they voted this so IMO he should just keep quiet until it all comes up again. Yes, it's an odd statement and I wonder why he's made it given there is no financial advantage to the club. I'd like to hear something from him about the proposed 4th stand that the club has now obtained planning consent for but on that his silence is deafening.
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Post by sihath on Sept 29, 2016 8:40:11 GMT
First time in a long time we've heard from Eales and it's about this. Not sure why he's needed to comment on this? We won't be getting any gate receipts from the scum or Chelsea so whys he bothered? Between him and his board they voted this so IMO he should just keep quiet until it all comes up again. Yeah... the bloke who's bankrolling our club, that's now in the 3rd tier for the first time in a generation, who is one of the most open and approachable chairman we've had, who has helped turn us into a club that people have talked very positively about, who has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on players, that the one who should just keep quiet? *shakes head and walks away*
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Post by Junior on Sept 29, 2016 8:55:26 GMT
Once you've stopped shaking your head, show me what your post has got to do with his statement in the Mail?
Show me anything from me where I've had a pop at Eales. You'll only find negative stuff involving the B team crap, that's it.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 29, 2016 9:01:25 GMT
Saying he should keep quiet , and not sure why he needed to comment is fairly negative I would say
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Post by Mark on Sept 29, 2016 9:07:13 GMT
Did you go to MK Dons? YES or NO?
If you went and are still boycotting the Checkatrade trophy then you are a hypocrite.
Football teams are no longer allowed to move out of their location so there was no need to boycott MK Dons.
B teams are not happening, the need for boycotting the Checkatrade trophy is over.
This boycott was "all about the B teams" wasn't it? And not just that it's a tinpot trophy no-one cares about unless it's STFC or the final?
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Post by sihath on Sept 29, 2016 9:19:03 GMT
Once you've stopped shaking your head, show me what your post has got to do with his statement in the Mail? Show me anything from me where I've had a pop at Eales. You'll only find negative stuff involving the B team crap, that's it. My post is entirely to do with you saying " so IMO he should just keep quiet". That to me is a "pop" at Eales. The list I gave, IMHO, gives Eales the right to have an opinion on the Checkatrade Trophy Boycott, along with everyone else with an interest in our club. You can disagree with him, like I have with you in this thread, but your post was saying that you think he shouldn't say what he thinks. Because you disagree with someone, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that either of you should "just keep quiet".
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Post by holdsteady on Sept 29, 2016 9:24:41 GMT
Did you go to MK Dons? YES or NO? If you went and are still boycotting the Checkatrade trophy then you are a hypocrite. Football teams are no longer allowed to move out of their location so there was no need to boycott MK Dons. B teams are not happening, the need for boycotting the Checkatrade trophy is over. This boycott was "all about the B teams" wasn't it? And not just that it's a tinpot trophy no-one cares about unless it's STFC or the final? But I am not interested in watching Oxford play in a competition with Reading under 23s, so why should I go? The club voted this in, the club lied about the attendance against Exeter and now this statement following on from the one the other week from FL chairmen saying it's good to come to games in the checkatrade against b teams as we have decided we don't want b teams. Its been a strange stance from the club on this, a strange situation created by the FL/clubs, and it's pretty much killed of this not particularly cherished trophy. Would be happy if this is the last year of the paint pot, at least then if they want to sneak in b teams they will have to come in the front door.
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Post by daveoufc on Sept 29, 2016 9:27:12 GMT
Cant they bring back reserve team football get the prem to cover the costs and add some u23 sides to that. Nelson needs games Hall will need games Taylor needs a goal would be ideal
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Post by Junior on Sept 29, 2016 9:34:05 GMT
Once you've stopped shaking your head, show me what your post has got to do with his statement in the Mail? Show me anything from me where I've had a pop at Eales. You'll only find negative stuff involving the B team crap, that's it. My post is entirely to do with you saying " so IMO he should just keep quiet". That to me is a "pop" at Eales. The list I gave, IMHO, gives Eales the right to have an opinion on the Checkatrade Trophy Boycott, along with everyone else with an interest in our club. You can disagree with him, like I have with you in this thread, but your post was saying that you think he shouldn't say what he thinks. Because you disagree with someone, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that either of you should "just keep quiet". Having a pop at him for his comments about the competition, as is in line with the thread and I'll stand by that just like a lot of there fans are doing. The list you've produced is irrelevant to this thread and you won't find any bad words about Eales's leadership elsewhere. Out of interest, do you think this was needed from him given the backlash he and his board received last time? Are you going to the scum game? Chelsea? If not, why not? *You're clever enough to work what the keep quiet bit meant and what it was about so try laying it on thick.
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Post by KLYellow on Sept 29, 2016 9:34:42 GMT
Cant they bring back reserve team football get the prem to cover the costs and add some u23 sides to that. Nelson needs games Hall will need games Taylor needs a goal would be ideal Good point that. I am not update with the current "reserve" format of football in the UK. But we use to regularly play reserve games against Premiership (Div 1 then) clubs. So how does the current format of EFL Trophy/Development games differ from the old reserve games?
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Post by cj on Sept 29, 2016 10:12:26 GMT
First time in a long time we've heard from Eales and it's about this. Not sure why he's needed to comment on this? We won't be getting any gate receipts from the scum or Chelsea so whys he bothered? Between him and his board they voted this so IMO he should just keep quiet until it all comes up again. Yeah... the bloke who's bankrolling our club, that's now in the 3rd tier for the first time in a generation, who is one of the most open and approachable chairman we've had, who has helped turn us into a club that people have talked very positively about, who has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on players, that the one who should just keep quiet? *shakes head and walks away* EXACTLY!
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Post by sihath on Sept 29, 2016 11:22:07 GMT
My post is entirely to do with you saying " so IMO he should just keep quiet". That to me is a "pop" at Eales. The list I gave, IMHO, gives Eales the right to have an opinion on the Checkatrade Trophy Boycott, along with everyone else with an interest in our club. You can disagree with him, like I have with you in this thread, but your post was saying that you think he shouldn't say what he thinks. Because you disagree with someone, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that either of you should "just keep quiet". Having a pop at him for his comments about the competition, as is in line with the thread and I'll stand by that just like a lot of there fans are doing. The list you've produced is irrelevant to this thread and you won't find any bad words about Eales's leadership elsewhere. Out of interest, do you think this was needed from him given the backlash he and his board received last time? Are you going to the scum game? Chelsea? If not, why not? *You're clever enough to work what the keep quiet bit meant and what it was about so try laying it on thick. I think he's made some comments that I agree with... and he's made them because there was criticism of the club NOT consulting with OxVox last time. This time he's made it clear that there will be consultation with OxVox, so I do think it was needed. Eales intends to consult with supporters’ trust OxVox, before using the meeting to find out more.
He said: “My stance will be to ask them a few questions about what do they think the various agendas are.
“I think it’s only when it becomes a whole package that you can say what your view is.
“I could easily give you a view on a range of issues, but you vote on a package whether you think on balance it’s better than the status quo.
“For my money at the moment we’re quite a long way from knowing what that package is.” He's going to consult with OxVox (are you a member Junior?) about the Whole Game Solution proposals. I think that's positive and not something to "keep quiet" about. I won't be going to any of the games because I don't agree with the new format. It's always been a competition for the bottom 2 divisions. I think the new format is wrong, regardless of 'B' teams, or thin ends of wedges.
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Post by hackneyjack on Sept 29, 2016 12:14:17 GMT
Complete corporate pish. The "natives" have kicked up a fuss...tell them its not going to happen (yet) ...come back in 12 months when they least expect it. The "whole game" thing will happen, money always wins. There is already talk of midweek FA Cup ties to create a winter break. The FL Trophy was weak enough to mess around with, the League Cup isn`t far behind and now the FA Cup, the very core of football hopes & dreams, is "up for development in how it is run". Why? Premier League and the endless quest for money. You wouldn`t get me to one of these bastard games if you paid me. Can I just bump this back into the talk. This post is absolutely spot on and right. Money runs this, and it will happen with b teams in cups, and eventually league - under a different veneer possibly. Potentially Scottish teams too. I despair with Sky tv and the Prem, but this is modern football, and one of the main reasons I love supporting our team: because football at this level does have more of a connection, more accountability and more of a togetherness. And it is important to protest and keep these f*cking mercenaries away as long as possible.
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Post by Mark on Sept 29, 2016 12:18:17 GMT
Graham Westley had his usual article in the FLP last weekend, and suggested there could be a revamp of the play-offs to create more games to compensate for leagues going down from 24 to 20 teams.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 29, 2016 12:21:28 GMT
Having a pop at him for his comments about the competition, as is in line with the thread and I'll stand by that just like a lot of there fans are doing. The list you've produced is irrelevant to this thread and you won't find any bad words about Eales's leadership elsewhere. Out of interest, do you think this was needed from him given the backlash he and his board received last time? Are you going to the scum game? Chelsea? If not, why not? *You're clever enough to work what the keep quiet bit meant and what it was about so try laying it on thick. I think he's made some comments that I agree with... and he's made them because there was criticism of the club NOT consulting with OxVox last time. This time he's made it clear that there will be consultation with OxVox, so I do think it was needed. Eales intends to consult with supporters’ trust OxVox, before using the meeting to find out more.
He said: “My stance will be to ask them a few questions about what do they think the various agendas are.
“I think it’s only when it becomes a whole package that you can say what your view is.
“I could easily give you a view on a range of issues, but you vote on a package whether you think on balance it’s better than the status quo.
“For my money at the moment we’re quite a long way from knowing what that package is.” He's going to consult with OxVox (are you a member Junior?) about the Whole Game Solution proposals. I think that's positive and not something to "keep quiet" about. I won't be going to any of the games because I don't agree with the new format. It's always been a competition for the bottom 2 divisions. I think the new format is wrong, regardless of 'B' teams, or thin ends of wedges. You won't get an answer, he's keeping quiet on that one. Unlike the chairman 😉. Quick to keep asking oxvox to do things, and ask questions though. Come on junior it's £10
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Sept 29, 2016 12:22:46 GMT
Did you go to MK Dons? YES or NO? If you went and are still boycotting the Checkatrade trophy then you are a hypocrite. Absolute rubbish. The Milton Keynes situation (bad as it was) is now quite a few years ago. Wimbledon are now back at the same level, and may even be moving back to Plough Lane. So the situation has just about worked it's way back to equilibrium and is one that is extremely unlikely to happen again. The 'whole game solution' is still very much alive and kicking - none of it as far as I can see of any benefit at all to lower league clubs. The fact that supporters have shown a (pretty united) front on the B Teams issue and have forced a rethink is good - but that one issue is only a part of the whole plan.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 29, 2016 12:28:43 GMT
Did you go to MK Dons? YES or NO? If you went and are still boycotting the Checkatrade trophy then you are a hypocrite. Absolute rubbish. The Milton Keynes situation (bad as it was) is now quite a few years ago. Wimbledon are now back at the same level, and may even be moving back to Plough Lane. So the situation has just about worked it's way back to equilibrium and is one that is extremely unlikely to happen again. The 'whole game solution' is still very much alive and kicking - none of it as far as I can see of any benefit at all to lower league clubs. The fact that supporters have shown a (pretty united) front on the B Teams issue and have forced a rethink is good - but that one issue is only a part of the whole plan. But the whole game solution will have to be voted on by all member clubs again, it will affect the league, having your say to the club through oxvox or FLO's so that each club actually represents their fan base will have far more effect than boycotting a p*ss pot trophy that has already been shown that no one really cares about until the final.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Sept 29, 2016 13:11:32 GMT
But the whole game solution will have to be voted on by all member clubs again, it will affect the league, having your say to the club through oxvox or FLO's so that each club actually represents their fan base will have far more effect than boycotting a p*ss pot trophy that has already been shown that no one really cares about until the final. Well, as far as I know, our club didn't bother to ask their supporters about their attitude to B Teams in this cup competition before they voted for it. (Apparently the club didn't ask the chairman either, since he was against it as well!) How confident are you that the club will consult this time? How confident are you that the EFL won't move the goalposts again? They did for this competition. Several times. After the vote. Avoiding this tainted competition is a chance for normal supporters to show their contempt for the high-handed way the EFL are quite prepared to try to fiddle about with their own leagues and competitions to the general detriment of their own member clubs because they are shit scared of the Prem running off and taking their ball (and their money) with them.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 29, 2016 13:14:14 GMT
Very confident, as that's what he's promised to do, and he's already had meeting with oxvox on the matter.
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Post by essexyellows on Sept 29, 2016 14:16:44 GMT
Did you go to MK Dons? YES or NO? If you went and are still boycotting the Checkatrade trophy then you are a hypocrite. Football teams are no longer allowed to move out of their location so there was no need to boycott MK Dons. B teams are not happening, the need for boycotting the Checkatrade trophy is over. This boycott was "all about the B teams" wasn't it? And not just that it's a tinpot trophy no-one cares about unless it's STFC or the final? Show me the FA/FL rules that prohibit "B Teams" , like franchises, and I`ll take being a hypocrite..... but I won`t have too because there aren`t any. People who "think its all over now" will blindly walk into the distance, supporting the idea by attending and wonder why it ends up with no football in Winter, midweek FA Cup games, no lower league trophies & season tickets for telly and similar corporate crap. The "whole game solution" is designed to remove the bottom tiers of the football pyramid & preserve those at the top...and the money.
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Post by Junior on Sept 29, 2016 15:22:11 GMT
Having a pop at him for his comments about the competition, as is in line with the thread and I'll stand by that just like a lot of there fans are doing. The list you've produced is irrelevant to this thread and you won't find any bad words about Eales's leadership elsewhere. Out of interest, do you think this was needed from him given the backlash he and his board received last time? Are you going to the scum game? Chelsea? If not, why not? *You're clever enough to work what the keep quiet bit meant and what it was about so try laying it on thick. I think he's made some comments that I agree with... and he's made them because there was criticism of the club NOT consulting with OxVox last time. This time he's made it clear that there will be consultation with OxVox, so I do think it was needed. Eales intends to consult with supporters’ trust OxVox, before using the meeting to find out more.
He said: “My stance will be to ask them a few questions about what do they think the various agendas are.
“I think it’s only when it becomes a whole package that you can say what your view is.
“I could easily give you a view on a range of issues, but you vote on a package whether you think on balance it’s better than the status quo.
“For my money at the moment we’re quite a long way from knowing what that package is.” He's going to consult with OxVox (are you a member Junior?) about the Whole Game Solution proposals. I think that's positive and not something to "keep quiet" about. I won't be going to any of the games because I don't agree with the new format. It's always been a competition for the bottom 2 divisions. I think the new format is wrong, regardless of 'B' teams, or thin ends of wedges. So why the need for further comment asking for fans to attend the two other group games? What's he got to gain from that? That's not needed and will just stir yo the whole pot again. That's just not with sections of our fan base but on a wider scale. That's what the keep quiet comment from me was about. Not sure what how you're not seeing that.
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Post by Junior on Sept 29, 2016 15:30:21 GMT
Did you go to MK Dons? YES or NO? If you went and are still boycotting the Checkatrade trophy then you are a hypocrite. Football teams are no longer allowed to move out of their location so there was no need to boycott MK Dons. B teams are not happening, the need for boycotting the Checkatrade trophy is over. This boycott was "all about the B teams" wasn't it? And not just that it's a tinpot trophy no-one cares about unless it's STFC or the final? Show me the FA/FL rules that prohibit "B Teams" , like franchises, and I`ll take being a hypocrite..... but I won`t have too because there aren`t any. People who "think its all over now" will blindly walk into the distance, supporting the idea by attending and wonder why it ends up with no football in Winter, midweek FA Cup games, no lower league trophies & season tickets for telly and similar corporate crap. The "whole game solution" is designed to remove the bottom tiers of the football pyramid & preserve those at the top...and the money. And who on our board represents that ^^^ Dave Jones? Now, who does he work for... He also voted in favour of B teams. Again, whys that do you think....
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Post by sihath on Sept 29, 2016 15:50:48 GMT
I think he's made some comments that I agree with... and he's made them because there was criticism of the club NOT consulting with OxVox last time. This time he's made it clear that there will be consultation with OxVox, so I do think it was needed. Eales intends to consult with supporters’ trust OxVox, before using the meeting to find out more.
He said: “My stance will be to ask them a few questions about what do they think the various agendas are.
“I think it’s only when it becomes a whole package that you can say what your view is.
“I could easily give you a view on a range of issues, but you vote on a package whether you think on balance it’s better than the status quo.
“For my money at the moment we’re quite a long way from knowing what that package is.” He's going to consult with OxVox (are you a member Junior?) about the Whole Game Solution proposals. I think that's positive and not something to "keep quiet" about. I won't be going to any of the games because I don't agree with the new format. It's always been a competition for the bottom 2 divisions. I think the new format is wrong, regardless of 'B' teams, or thin ends of wedges. So why the need for further comment asking for fans to attend the two other group games? What's he got to gain from that? That's not needed and will just stir yo the whole pot again. That's just not with sections of our fan base but on a wider scale. That's what the keep quiet comment from me was about. Not sure what how you're not seeing that. Are you an OxVox member?
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 29, 2016 16:05:02 GMT
So why the need for further comment asking for fans to attend the two other group games? What's he got to gain from that? That's not needed and will just stir yo the whole pot again. That's just not with sections of our fan base but on a wider scale. That's what the keep quiet comment from me was about. Not sure what how you're not seeing that. Are you an OxVox member? 😂
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