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Post by jonnyb on Sept 4, 2016 13:25:40 GMT
Just don't get it
It's amazing how we all watch the same game but come to different conclusions. I realize I am in a minority but here goes :-
Maguire - my opinion has not changed since the time he joined us last season in that he slows the game down and is not good for our system when played wide on the left. Now we have bought Johnson he should no longer be in the starting line up.
Furthermore Macdonald should start wide on the right. The width will give Lundstrum (or preferably Rothwell) options and the crosses will give Hemmings a chance. Would probably start Taylor now rather than Thomas.
PS Don't get the Joe Skarz thing either this year or last year
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Post by oxfordfan on Sept 4, 2016 13:59:27 GMT
Taylor are you joking!!!you must of had a good night last night and clearly suffering from imsomnia.... Maguire, Hemmings, Thomas, Johnson, hall all get a start ahead of the goal machine taylor
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 4, 2016 14:00:49 GMT
Taylor are you joking!!!you must of had a good night last night and clearly suffering from imsomnia.... Maguire, Hemmings, Thomas, Johnson, hall all get a start ahead of the goal machine taylor You think Hemmings did better than Taylor yesterday ?
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Post by oxfordfan on Sept 4, 2016 14:02:30 GMT
No not yesterday I didn't say that I said all of the above are better players than Taylor will ever be.
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Post by MJB on Sept 4, 2016 14:03:04 GMT
I rate Maguire incredibly highly.
Id say he has the best football brain at the club, the greatest close control and composure on the ball, best on dead balls and he picks out passes which lead to clear chances. The fact that he gets a few goals is even better. Like you, I don't love him on the wing but would really like to see him just off a main striker.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 4, 2016 14:04:32 GMT
No not yesterday I didn't say that I said all of the above are better players than Taylor will ever be. Are they better at holding the ball up and bringing others around them into the game ?
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Post by oxfordfan on Sept 4, 2016 14:06:24 GMT
Mate the sooner you get over this holding the ball up business the better, get at there defence and stick the ball in the onion bag and I'm afraid Taylor can't do that.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 4, 2016 14:11:02 GMT
Mate the sooner you get over this holding the ball up business the better, get at there defence and stick the ball in the onion bag and I'm afraid Taylor can't do that. But that's exactly what we did for 50 mins, or at least that was the idea, when In fact all that happens is Thomas and Hemmings lose the ball, don't win the header or it just bounces off them, putting sercs and lunny straight back under pressure. I agree 100% that Taylor will not score as many as either Thomas or Hemmings, but the sooner you get over that strikers are only there to score goals, and that it's a team game u will see what he adds. Personally I think he's done enough in his last 2 appearances from the bench, as well as a decent performance in the jpt (by all accounts) that he will start along side Thomas on sat, with mags and Johnson down the wings
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Post by oxfordfan on Sept 4, 2016 14:16:40 GMT
I will almost guarantee goals are going to come, we're not going to score 3-4 every game like you expect. Hemmings record speaks for it's self, Thomas I wasn't sure about when he signed but he's proved he's a natural finisher. Maguires touch, calm head and ability will get us goals, hall and Johnson are rapid and again score a fare few as you know. Would you like us to resort to long balls like Bolton under allardyce? Lump it up to Taylor to hold the ball up if and when he can then play in or attempt to play somebody else in to do his job hit the net.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 4, 2016 14:20:32 GMT
No but did you not notice that we quite often yesterday play those kind of balls even when he isn't on the pitch? And can't deal with them. I haven't ever said we will score 3-4 every game so don't know why I would expect it. Mapp very much likes to play a possession based football, that's why he wants a gk and defenders cable of distributing and bringing the ball out, Taylor fits in with that model of ball retention. Did u rate kitson ?
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Post by oxfordfan on Sept 4, 2016 14:21:58 GMT
No Kitson was garbage for us I often wonder if Taylor is Kitson in disguise
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 4, 2016 14:27:02 GMT
See what happens, personally I think it doesn't effect but helps having a player that plays for the team to benefit others, with Maguire, Johnson,Hemmings and sercs getting more room and better service were actually more of a threat, than having a second goal scorer but not creating as much. It's a long season and a squad game, those that make a difference will get a game. Yesterday Hemmings and Thomas struggled, and Johnson and Taylor came on and made a massive difference
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Post by foley on Sept 4, 2016 14:31:52 GMT
I thought that Maguire was our best player by some distance yesterday.
He holds up the ball very well, his first touch is generally excellent and he wins countless free kicks.
I personally would prefer him in the Number 10 position.
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Post by headingtonutd on Sept 4, 2016 14:54:34 GMT
Taylor are you joking!!!you must of had a good night last night and clearly suffering from imsomnia.... Maguire, Hemmings, Thomas, Johnson, hall all get a start ahead of the goal machine taylor Your opinion on Taylor has not and will not ever change no matter how well he plays. I'm guessing you weren't at the game yesterday or if you were chose to ignore the performance and how it changed with his inclusion. Yes Hemmings and Taylor are good players and will score goals, but as of yet Hemmings especially has done nothing to secure his place ahead of Taylor. According to you even Hall should be wheeled on still injured ahead of Taylor!
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Post by tatabanya on Sept 4, 2016 15:03:44 GMT
I will almost guarantee goals are going to come, we're not going to score 3-4 every game like you expect. Hemmings record speaks for it's self, Thomas I wasn't sure about when he signed but he's proved he's a natural finisher. Maguires touch, calm head and ability will get us goals, hall and Johnson are rapid and again score a fare few as you know. Would you like us to resort to long balls like Bolton under allardyce? Lump it up to Taylor to hold the ball up if and when he can then play in or attempt to play somebody else in to do his job hit the net. If it wasn't for Taylor winning the header yesterday we wouldn't have scored. This has already been the case multiple times this season and shows Taylor's worth to the team. Maguire is a massive asset to us and will be central to any success this season. With Lunny not up to scratch he is pretty blatantly our best player
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Post by oxfordfan on Sept 4, 2016 15:12:14 GMT
You mean his shot straight off the shin pads into sercombes path please next your be telling me he meant that or was is it another clever pass?!
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 4, 2016 15:14:37 GMT
Well if u think it coming off his shin classes as a header then that's probably why U don't like him
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Sept 4, 2016 15:17:29 GMT
Taylor has won four points out of Oxford's seven this season. His sublime first time cushioned volley set Maguire up for either a goal or penalty against Peterborough, and if you actually watch the goal from yesterday properly you'll see that he won a very difficult header and played it into Johnson's path in the process. Yes he scuffed his shot when the ball came in, but he was there, he drew two defenders into him by getting to the near post and that left Sercombe free for the tap in. Four points, largely down to Ryan Taylor.
Amazing how little insight some people have into football games and seeing what ACTUALLY happens and makes an impact. Remind me how many points Kane Hemmings has won for Oxford this season? Thought so.
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Post by tatabanya on Sept 4, 2016 15:18:21 GMT
You mean his shot straight off the shin pads into sercombe a path please next your be telling me he meant that or was is it another clever pass?! No, I mean the header that he won at 1.25 on this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxxa3pY31Cg) that set up the move to score the goal. The header than no one else in our squad would have won. If you have the opinion that a striker should only be judged on his goals ratio then you just aren't really going to understand how football works I'm afraid.
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Post by lukehudson on Sept 4, 2016 15:21:57 GMT
Maguire is our best player and i hope he stays fit all season, he has a football brain of a player from a higher division, just remember yesterday when he sent five of there players one way and then back the other way.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Sept 4, 2016 15:27:11 GMT
Maguire is our best player and i hope he stays fit all season, he has a football brain of a player from a higher division, just remember yesterday when he sent five of there players one way and then back the other way. He also puts in a shift and covers a lot of ground, something that a player like Wes Thomas would do well to take notice of. He had a horrid patch of form last year and seemed to not be arsed in the process but for those last five or six games he was immense and found a new gear. Once Maguire gets to play the central number ten role behind a forward and with players like Johnson and Hall either side of him, people will see just how good he is. If they can't already.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 4, 2016 15:29:56 GMT
I think it will be a noticeable improvement straight away just with him moving from left to right, to accommodate Johnson.
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Post by victor1986 on Sept 4, 2016 15:45:08 GMT
Just don't get it It's amazing how we all watch the same game but come to different conclusions. I realize I am in a minority but here goes :- Maguire - my opinion has not changed since the time he joined us last season in that he slows the game down and is not good for our system when played wide on the left. Now we have bought Johnson he should no longer be in the starting line up. Furthermore Macdonald should start wide on the right. The width will give Lundstrum (or preferably Rothwell) options and the crosses will give Hemmings a chance. Would probably start Taylor now rather than Thomas. PS Don't get the Joe Skarz thing either this year or last year Maguire is class - surprised you & others cannot see that?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Sept 4, 2016 15:45:08 GMT
I will almost guarantee goals are going to come, we're not going to score 3-4 every game like you expect. Hemmings record speaks for it's self, Thomas I wasn't sure about when he signed but he's proved he's a natural finisher. Maguires touch, calm head and ability will get us goals, hall and Johnson are rapid and again score a fare few as you know. Would you like us to resort to long balls like Bolton under allardyce? Lump it up to Taylor to hold the ball up if and when he can then play in or attempt to play somebody else in to do his job hit the net. Thomas will have a similar ratio to Taylor he is not an out and out goal scorer he will be similar to Hylton Taylor is te hold up man the man that will bring his strike partner into it and Talylor also has a decent amount of skill for a man of his height. At the moment Hemmings is still finding his feet but with a breath of fresh air in Marvin Johnson arriving I can only see good things ahead and yes Taylor will be and should be part of this journey.
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Post by grumpygit on Sept 4, 2016 16:12:09 GMT
Taylor is excellent, we didn't click until he came on.
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Post by jbrown1999 on Sept 4, 2016 16:14:08 GMT
Just don't get it It's amazing how we all watch the same game but come to different conclusions. I realize I am in a minority but here goes :- Maguire - my opinion has not changed since the time he joined us last season in that he slows the game down and is not good for our system when played wide on the left. Now we have bought Johnson he should no longer be in the starting line up. Furthermore Macdonald should start wide on the right. The width will give Lundstrum (or preferably Rothwell) options and the crosses will give Hemmings a chance. Would probably start Taylor now rather than Thomas. PS Don't get the Joe Skarz thing either this year or last year chris maguire was the only one yesterday who could retain the ball so we could get an opportunity to attack he was definitely our best player yesterday, don't understand this comment were you at the game, and joe skarz is a consistent left back who offers the same thing week in week out might not be a george baldock but he has a good pass on him and is one of the best left backs we have probably had in the last five+ years were you at the game yesterday?
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Post by chippsy on Sept 4, 2016 16:57:27 GMT
Just don't get it It's amazing how we all watch the same game but come to different conclusions. I realize I am in a minority but here goes :- Maguire - my opinion has not changed since the time he joined us last season in that he slows the game down and is not good for our system when played wide on the left. Now we have bought Johnson he should no longer be in the starting line up. Furthermore Macdonald should start wide on the right. The width will give Lundstrum (or preferably Rothwell) options and the crosses will give Hemmings a chance. Would probably start Taylor now rather than Thomas. PS Don't get the Joe Skarz thing either this year or last year Has to be a joke right?? Maguire was excellent yesterday.. Deserved MOTM by a country mile. Got hold of the ball...created space for himself and distributed well.. He also took a lot of pressure off the back with his time on the ball, otherwise it kept coming straight back. Whose was your MOTM out if interest?? Lunny??
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 4, 2016 17:00:24 GMT
Mine probably would have been Eastwood again. A few players including mags were very good second half but distinctly average first, Eastwood was good all game, as was raglan despite the booking. But second half Maguire Johnson and Taylor made the difference
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Post by tomox on Sept 4, 2016 17:00:31 GMT
Maguire has been our best player so far this season in my opinion.
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Post by oxfordfan on Sept 4, 2016 17:03:56 GMT
You mean his shot straight off the shin pads into sercombe a path please next your be telling me he meant that or was is it another clever pass?! No, I mean the header that he won at 1.25 on this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxxa3pY31Cg) that set up the move to score the goal. The header than no one else in our squad would have won. If you have the opinion that a striker should only be judged on his goals ratio then you just aren't really going to understand how football works I'm afraid. Ok he wins a header! Following on from the header he shanked it wide SHOCK! And it falls to Sercs to finish.
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