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Post by Pete Burrett on Mar 17, 2017 15:16:33 GMT
Was it last year or the year before that Obama had Angela Merkel's phone tapped? Don't know. I'm not claiming the moral high ground on behalf of Obama, Juniper. All politicians are shits. I was just amused how more 'fake news' has emerged courtesy of Trump's tweets and Fox News. It's really no way to run the administration of the world's most powerful - and potentially dangerous - country.
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Post by chuckbert on Mar 17, 2017 15:50:34 GMT
Was it last year or the year before that Obama had Angela Merkel's phone tapped? I hadn't heard that Trump was worried about the USA spying on other nations. That must have certainly been an unusual tweet.
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Post by juniper on Mar 17, 2017 16:59:21 GMT
I think the most dangerous country in the world at the moment is North Korea, where there really is a lunatic in charge. And he has some serious weaponry that he likes to fire off in the direction of Japan.
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Post by Junior on Mar 17, 2017 17:20:06 GMT
Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting person to listen to..
Any of you heard much from him?
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Post by scotters on Mar 17, 2017 17:29:01 GMT
Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting person to listen to.. Any of you heard much from him? I like his stuff on how mobile phone towers are used for mind control.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Mar 17, 2017 17:33:32 GMT
Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting person to listen to.. Any of you heard much from him? I hadn't, but I have now and just read this: thetab.com/uk/sheffield/2016/11/07/interview-paul-joseph-watson-18264Interesting and worth reading although, as always, his comments about the 'left' can equally be applied to the 'right'. (The arc of extremism meets at some point.) He talks about others not liking criticism of their views, but I wonder if you had a pub conversation with him whether he would embrace the 'agree to disagree' concept? I've got a feeling he'd just consider someone with a different opinion as 'wrong'.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 17, 2017 23:29:38 GMT
Paul Joseph Watson, taken with a pinch of salt, is quite funny and makes some good points. But equally goes a OTT at times, trolling some people who can't help themselves. Anyone connected to Alex Jones sets an expectation of what they will talk about.
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Post by Junior on Mar 18, 2017 2:47:02 GMT
His videos do seem to have valid points though. Points that when broken down, do make sense.
That interview Pete posted offers a side that I didn't expect if I'm honest. And in truth, I was disappointed in it.
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Post by flean on Mar 18, 2017 8:52:01 GMT
Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting person to listen to.. Any of you heard much from him? I hadn't, but I have now and just read this: thetab.com/uk/sheffield/2016/11/07/interview-paul-joseph-watson-18264Interesting and worth reading although, as always, his comments about the 'left' can equally be applied to the 'right'. (The arc of extremism meets at some point.) He talks about others not liking criticism of their views, but I wonder if you had a pub conversation with him whether he would embrace the 'agree to disagree' concept? I've got a feeling he'd just consider someone with a different opinion as 'wrong'. I hope he's now kept his promise and moved to Merica.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 18, 2017 11:58:30 GMT
Like Rosie O'Donnell moving to Canada with all those other celebs in Hollywood?
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Post by Marked Ox on Mar 24, 2017 15:15:40 GMT
Trump has resorted to playground tactics (i.e. Do what I want or I'm taking my ball away) to try to force Trumpcare through the House of Representatives vote by saying to recalcitrant republicans, either vote for it or Obamacare stays.
It is still on a knife edge though and if it does pass then the Senate vote could be even tighter.
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Post by tonyw on Mar 24, 2017 17:52:02 GMT
Looking at the moment as if he doesn't have the votes to get the AHCA through the House.
Depending which way you look at it - it's either evidence that Trump has no idea how to function as a politician, or that the Republican party is unmanageable as it currently exists (this particular piece of legislation has somehow got people at both ends of the GOP political spectrum voting no - some worried that it takes away too much government support for US healthcare, some worried that it cements into law too much US government involvement).
Likely both are true. But if the bill does indeed fail, it calls into question whether Trump is going to be able to get any significant legislation passed before the midterms in November 2018.
Say what you want about Obama, but at least he got something done in his first two years, whilst the Dems had control of the House and the Senate.
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Post by manorman on Mar 24, 2017 20:23:34 GMT
Healthcare reform bill has been withdrawn as it faled to get enough support in Congress. Looks like the Republican party is in some turmoil at the moment.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 24, 2017 21:56:31 GMT
Trump is learning the difference between campaigning and governing. Bigly
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Post by Marked Ox on Mar 25, 2017 17:51:46 GMT
Hahahaha. He is now blaming the Democrats for not wanting to vote for the Bill.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 7, 2017 7:48:29 GMT
Hmmm. Without any in depth analysis, let's hope the Americans have got it right with this missile attack on Assad's air bases.
If Assad was responsible for the recent chemical attacks, not too many would consider the US' response as anything other than proportionate.
It does seem though, that the anti-Assad factions had access to chemicals too. They have no war planes to drop them, but an hypothesis is emerging that conventional Assad bombs might have hit a chemical arms dump.
There's no good behaviour here, of course. Assad is still bombing civilians, the rebels are holding chemical weapons. But I wonder if the US knew, categorically, that Assad's forces were responsible for the gas attacks? Assad says not (of course), Russia says there is no evidence. Reminds me (a bit) like the WMD controversy; supposition + guesswork = bad decision.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 7, 2017 8:06:45 GMT
It does seem though, that the anti-Assad factions had access to chemicals too. They have no war planes to drop them, but an hypothesis is emerging that conventional Assad bombs might have hit a chemical arms dump. According to what I've read, it is vanishingly unlikely that Assad's bombs somehow set off a chemical arms dump. Sarin (and similar nerve agents) would have been destroyed by the explosion. Also this is not the first time this has happened, so it is remotely possible that every time Assad bombs a rebel area he somehow magically hits a chemical arms dump? One which is apparently manned by women and small children? Evidence that the (desperate) rebels have ever used any of these multiple chemical weapons they supposedly have is very sketchy - what are they waiting for? And - as you say - they have no planes to use them anyway! Why waste what little resources they have on creating a weapon they cannot use? Surely the simple explanation is the correct one. Assad is using chemical weapons on his own people - he has done it before.
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Post by essexyellows on Apr 7, 2017 8:35:48 GMT
The Russians have been caught out by Assad saying "Here are all the chemical weapons chaps". They go to the rest of the world and say "He`s handed them all over". Assad then uses the bits & bobs he never handed over, Russians look silly, America hits Assad with a big stick and the whole thing carries on.
The sad part is that the removal of the dictator (or strong leader depending on your views) always creates a vacuum into which something much more awful like the Taliban/IS/Daesh will step.
The world needs Assad to remain in place with some sort of managed exit plan....... unlikely.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 7, 2017 8:48:26 GMT
The Russians have been caught out by Assad saying "Here are all the chemical weapons chaps". They go to the rest of the world and say "He`s handed them all over". Assad then uses the bits & bobs he never handed over, Russians look silly, America hits Assad with a big stick and the whole thing carries on. The sad part is that the removal of the dictator (or strong leader depending on your views) always creates a vacuum into which something much more awful like the Taliban/IS/Daesh will step.
The world needs Assad to remain in place with some sort of managed exit plan....... unlikely. Yes. Iraq at least has a (fragile) democracy now, albeit plagued by frequent terrorist outrages and the expected ubiquitous corruption among the ruling elite. So there is some hope for a post-Assad Syria, but it probably wouldn't be a smooth transition.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 7, 2017 8:51:27 GMT
It does seem though, that the anti-Assad factions had access to chemicals too. They have no war planes to drop them, but an hypothesis is emerging that conventional Assad bombs might have hit a chemical arms dump. According to what I've read, it is vanishingly unlikely that Assad's bombs somehow set off a chemical arms dump. Sarin (and similar nerve agents) would have been destroyed by the explosion. Also this is not the first time this has happened, so it is remotely possible that every time Assad bombs a rebel area he somehow magically hits a chemical arms dump? One which is apparently manned by women and small children? Evidence that the (desperate) rebels have ever used any of these multiple chemical weapons they supposedly have is very sketchy - what are they waiting for? And - as you say - they have no planes to use them anyway! Why waste what little resources they have on creating a weapon they cannot use? Surely the simple explanation is the correct one. Assad is using chemical weapons on his own people - he has done it before. Yep, I'd bet my Grand National kitty on Assad being wholly responsible. Shows how somebody will always come up with a counter argument though. Interesting (and entirely bonkers) theory expressed on Nicky Campbell's show today by a listener who described himself simply as 'a muslim'. Apparently ISIS are Mossad. It's part of Israel's plan to de-stabilise the Islamic world. God knows what Danny would make of that.
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Post by Marked Ox on Apr 7, 2017 10:48:53 GMT
It does seem though, that the anti-Assad factions had access to chemicals too. They have no war planes to drop them, but an hypothesis is emerging that conventional Assad bombs might have hit a chemical arms dump. According to what I've read, it is vanishingly unlikely that Assad's bombs somehow set off a chemical arms dump. Sarin (and similar nerve agents) would have been destroyed by the explosion. Also this is not the first time this has happened, so it is remotely possible that every time Assad bombs a rebel area he somehow magically hits a chemical arms dump? One which is apparently manned by women and small children? Evidence that the (desperate) rebels have ever used any of these multiple chemical weapons they supposedly have is very sketchy - what are they waiting for? And - as you say - they have no planes to use them anyway! Why waste what little resources they have on creating a weapon they cannot use? Surely the simple explanation is the correct one. Assad is using chemical weapons on his own people - he has done it before. In addition, there have been reports that after the chemical attack, Assad's forces targeted the Medical centres with artillery.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Apr 7, 2017 12:16:23 GMT
At least when his red line was crossed, Trump did something about it I suppose. As messages go, it was a pretty emphatic one!.
ISIS are Mossad. Did they get that from Homeland? I wouldn't doubt Mossad are countering what Iran is upto, and other countries are as equally playing games. What suits Israel more though?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 12, 2017 6:57:06 GMT
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Post by Gary Baldi on Apr 12, 2017 7:18:17 GMT
At least it wasn't Trump eh?
Aside from Spicer's oral faux paus and said as quietly as possible, Rex Tillerson has done a nice job so far over Russia, Trump camp ties to Russian and all.
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Post by oufcgav on Apr 12, 2017 7:20:01 GMT
Problem is, he is just a shill to distract from the real evil crap going on. He says something crass, people go nuts, he says he misspoke and apologises. In the meantime they work to fire through a major tax cut for big corporates or towards reducing women's rights.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 12, 2017 7:24:11 GMT
Problem is, he is just a shill to distract from the real evil crap going on. He says something crass, people go nuts, he says he misspoke and apologises. In the meantime they work to fire through a major tax cut for big corporates or towards reducing women's rights. Yep. Trump seems a Boris-type joke figure .... or is he? Perhaps these clown-like moments are carefully choreographed to divert attention from the Trump administration's more extreme policies? Trump might turn out to be the most politically savvy president in a long while. (Still find many of his policies and 'accidental' misspeaking obnoxious though).
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Post by Gary Baldi on Apr 12, 2017 7:49:06 GMT
The Trump administration are fond of throwing dead cats on the table and the outrage from that transitions the conversation on. The Trumpers are rather opposite from the Obama mutual appreciation.
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Post by Boogaloo on Apr 12, 2017 8:28:03 GMT
Now it looks like old Donnie Trump is now giving it Billy Big Boll*cks to Kim Jong Un, and all the rootin-tootin rednecks are going "Yeah Trump , you tell them, Yee-haaa". This guy is a danger to world peace.
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Post by juniper on Apr 12, 2017 11:23:32 GMT
Do you not think that Kim Jong Un might possibly, perhaps be a danger to world peace?
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Post by sihath on Apr 12, 2017 11:37:45 GMT
Do you not think that Kim Jong Un might possibly, perhaps be a danger to world peace? f*ck yeah!
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