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Post by oxfordfan on Jul 30, 2016 15:55:56 GMT
I'm not buying he works hard for the team, if you work hard and get nowhere is that good enough??I'm afraid ultimately a striker scores goals is ryan Taylor league 1 quality???im not a Taylor fan at all he's poses no goal threat whatsoever what I've seen of him......this is my opinion only interested to see what you all think.
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Post by nick68 on Jul 30, 2016 16:11:11 GMT
He works hard, creates space & chances for others plus will score some himself.
At least let the season start before writing players off please?
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Post by mojofilter on Jul 30, 2016 16:14:20 GMT
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Post by oxfordfan on Jul 30, 2016 16:15:26 GMT
I'm fully entitled to voice my opinion you may not like it hence the reasoning behind a forum!! Yes I will write him off just wish Appleton would.......
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Post by chippsy on Jul 30, 2016 16:19:23 GMT
I'm not buying he works hard for the team, if you work hard and get nowhere is that good enough??I'm afraid ultimately a striker scores goals is ryan Taylor league 1 quality???im not a Taylor fan at all he's poses no goal threat whatsoever what I've seen of him......this is my opinion only interested to see what you all think. Personally I think you are a knob head who should stop the b*llshit negativity and get behind each and every player. The he season has not even started for Christ sake. Just my opinion like.
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Post by oxfordfan on Jul 30, 2016 16:21:09 GMT
LOL βπ»βπ»βπ»βπ»βπ»your clever!!!
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Post by oufc28 on Jul 30, 2016 16:28:54 GMT
I'm not buying he works hard for the team, if you work hard and get nowhere is that good enough??I'm afraid ultimately a striker scores goals is ryan Taylor league 1 quality???im not a Taylor fan at all he's poses no goal threat whatsoever what I've seen of him......this is my opinion only interested to see what you all think. I have never read such narrowminded sh*t before. Therefore by your logic our defenders should just defend and not score goals our midfield shut just set up goals and the strikers score the goals. As long as this happens everything will be fine. If Taylor next Saturday assist his strike partner with three goals then Taylor gets a bad review because he didht score them, the midfielders get poor ratings because they didn't assist the goal?! Everyone plays a part in all aspects of the game, Ryan Taylor is just as good in his own box than the opponent's. Judge a player on overall performance not on one aspect.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2016 16:31:39 GMT
It's like the 30th time he's made this point, but can't/won't move from the view that a striker can only be judged by his goals. He's entitled to that narrow minded opinion, u can bet we will here it over and over this season in every game Taylor doesn't score. In the games he does he will have no doubt been lucky as well
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Post by oxfordfan on Jul 30, 2016 16:44:57 GMT
Ok let me break down my thinking On this as you obviously like the man!!! Having two frontmen who score goals rather than just one who works hard and one who scores goals would take the pressure A off of let's say hemmings for instance.....
Also i would like to know where you expect the bulk of our goals to come from this year round???none of these young lads are proven goalscorers in league 1, listen I hope Tyler Roberts / rob hall when fit really push on and score a hat full!!!!
Most not all but most successful teams have two goal machines right or wrong??!!
Shearer/Cole, Yorke/Cole, Messi/Suarez,
These are just examples of 20 goals each a season partnerships.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2016 16:50:07 GMT
Messi Suarez don't play as a two they play as a 3
Having two goal scorers depends on ur formation. I'll give u an example of a two where one was a feeder the other the finisher.
Taylor/ tubbs.
Taylor doesn't just make chances for a striker, he creates space for Maguire, Crowley and macca as well, and also adds height in both boxes
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Post by RCYellowRC on Jul 30, 2016 16:53:59 GMT
Taylor is a handful for defenders and he's the sort of player CB hate to come up against. The players that can challenge them for every header and a player that will create space for our other attackers to go into.
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Post by mojofilter on Jul 30, 2016 16:54:32 GMT
Ok let me break down my thinking On this as you obviously like the man!!! Having two frontmen who score goals rather than just one who works hard and one who scores goals would take the pressure A off of let's say hemmings for instance..... Also i would like to know where you expect the bulk of our goals to come from this year round???none of these young lads are proven goalscorers in league 1, listen I hope Tyler Roberts / rob hall when fit really push on and score a hat full!!!! Most not all but most successful teams have two goal machines right or wrong??!! Shearer/Cole, Yorke/Cole, Messi/Suarez, These are just examples of 20 goals each a season partnerships.
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Post by johnf on Jul 30, 2016 16:55:00 GMT
He has just returned from a long time off injured so it is a bit early to be writing him off and before the injury he was starting to look good and scoring a few.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2016 17:02:59 GMT
He's always going to be criticised as his role is to do the simple things and let others take the glory. He's never going to score as many as roofe, he's not going to do the step overs and chasing of hylton. But he will win the ball, hold it up, and play in the attacking players around him. Similar to ruffles, his role will never win u man of the match. But actually watch what he does, rather than what he doesn't, and u might just notice how good they both actually are for the team
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Post by plonker on Jul 30, 2016 18:03:14 GMT
Taylor is a handful for defenders and he's the sort of player CB hate to come up against. The players that can challenge them for every header and a player that will create space for our other attackers to go into. Yeah, exactly. Take Huth for exmaple, who is a really big guy; a Premier League winning centre back. I thought Taylor did really well against him. Sure it was a friendly but just about everyone in the crowd made positive comments about him when he started to warm up against Brighton.
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Post by plonker on Jul 30, 2016 18:22:21 GMT
Ok let me break down my thinking On this as you obviously like the man!!! Having two frontmen who score goals rather than just one who works hard and one who scores goals would take the pressure A off of let's say hemmings for instance..... Also i would like to know where you expect the bulk of our goals to come from this year round???none of these young lads are proven goalscorers in league 1, listen I hope Tyler Roberts / rob hall when fit really push on and score a hat full!!!! Most not all but most successful teams have two goal machines right or wrong??!! Shearer/Cole, Yorke/Cole, Messi/Suarez, These are just examples of 20 goals each a season partnerships. You cherry-picked examples and two of those aren't really valid. Shearer and Cole never played together, did they? I assume you meant Sutton. And Messi and Saurez play in front 3. For one of the best club sides in the world, in a league that isn't that competitive, I might add. As for the 2 forwards who score 20+ goals a season. Let's look a little closer into your claim, shall we. I'll use League One as an example because it seems the most logical place to use as an example. I'll use league-only goals for two reasons. 1) It's easier to research. 2) Selfishly, I only really care about the league. Sure a cup run is always nice but league is always priority. So with that said... 2015/16 - 7 clubs had players who scored 20+ goals. No clubs had more than 1 player who scored 20 or more. - Burton's top scorer was Akins with 11. They finished 2nd! 2014/15 - 5 clubs had players who scored 20+ goals. Again no clubs had more than a single player who scored this number. - Bristol City who scored 96 goals that season only had one player in the top 10 scorers and that was Wilbraham with 18. Yes, their top scorer contributed just 18 of those 96 goals. 2013/14 - Similar story really. Just 4 clubs had players who scored more than 20 goals. - The top scorers for Wolves and Brentford - who finished 1st and 2nd - scored 17 each that season. 2012/13 - Only one team (Yeovil) had a player who scored more than during the 2012/13 season. - The top scorer for Doncaster - who won the league - had just 13 goals that year. I feel like this should might change your way of thinking a little. Not just on Taylor, but in general. There's more to a game of football than defenders defend, forwards score and midfielders, er, midfield.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 30, 2016 18:30:39 GMT
Ok let me break down my thinking On this as you obviously like the man!!! Having two frontmen who score goals rather than just one who works hard and one who scores goals would take the pressure A off of let's say hemmings for instance..... Also i would like to know where you expect the bulk of our goals to come from this year round???none of these young lads are proven goalscorers in league 1, listen I hope Tyler Roberts / rob hall when fit really push on and score a hat full!!!! Most not all but most successful teams have two goal machines right or wrong??!! Shearer/Cole, Yorke/Cole, Messi/Suarez, These are just examples of 20 goals each a season partnerships. You cherry-picked examples and two of those aren't really valid. Shearer and Cole never played together, did they? I assume you meant Sutton. And Messi and Saurez play in front 3. For one of the best club sides in the world, in a league that isn't that competitive, I might add. As for the 2 forwards who score 20+ goals a season. Let's look a little closer into your claim, shall we. I'll use League One as an example because it seems the most logical place to use as an example. I'll use league-only goals for two reasons. 1) It's easier to research. 2) Selfishly, I only really care about the league. Sure a cup run is always nice but league is always priority. So with that said... 2015/16 - 7 clubs had players who scored 20+ goals. No clubs had more than 1 player who scored 20 or more. - Burton's top scorer was Akins with 11. They finished 2nd! 2014/15 - 5 clubs had players who scored 20+ goals. Again no clubs had more than a single player who scored this number. - Bristol City who scored 96 goals that season only had one player in the top 10 scorers and that was Wilbraham with 18. Yes, their top scorer contributed just 18 of those 96 goals. 2013/14 - Similar story really. Just 4 clubs had players who scored more than 20 goals. - The top scorers for Wolves and Brentford - who finished 1st and 2nd - scored 17 each that season. 2012/13 - Only one team (Yeovil) had a player who scored more than during the 2012/13 season. - The top scorer for Doncaster - who won the league - had just 13 goals that year. I feel like this should might change your way of thinking a little. Not just on Taylor, but in general. There's more to a game of football than defenders defend, forwards score and midfielders, er, midfield. Good post. Except he probably judges midfielders and defenders on goals scored as well:)
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Post by scotchegg on Jul 30, 2016 18:38:55 GMT
I'm fully entitled to voice my opinion Do you notice how it's the trolling idiots who always come out with these lines?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jul 30, 2016 18:45:20 GMT
Yes. You do rather.
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Post by sarumox on Jul 30, 2016 19:03:36 GMT
Ok let me break down my thinking On this as you obviously like the man!!! Having two frontmen who score goals rather than just one who works hard and one who scores goals would take the pressure A off of let's say hemmings for instance..... Also i would like to know where you expect the bulk of our goals to come from this year round???none of these young lads are proven goalscorers in league 1, listen I hope Tyler Roberts / rob hall when fit really push on and score a hat full!!!! Most not all but most successful teams have two goal machines right or wrong??!! Shearer/Cole, Yorke/Cole, Messi/Suarez, These are just examples of 20 goals each a season partnerships. Let me see now, Shearer / Cole Β£20 million ; Yorke / Cole Β£15 million and Messi / Suarez Β£180 million. I think I can see a flaw in your argument. Now if you were to come up with a team from the last 20 odd years at this level who had 40+ goal partnerships and were successful I may be swayed. Personally I think we have enough goals throughout the team and Hemmings who will get 25 in this league to ensure a good season. taylor is a good player and his value was increasing all the time prior to his injury. remember we only need to score one more than the opposition.
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Post by moroccanyellow on Jul 30, 2016 19:17:35 GMT
LOL βπ»βπ»βπ»βπ»βπ»your clever!!! You're*
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Post by bigfella72 on Jul 30, 2016 19:29:31 GMT
Ok let me break down my thinking On this as you obviously like the man!!! Having two frontmen who score goals rather than just one who works hard and one who scores goals would take the pressure A off of let's say hemmings for instance..... Also i would like to know where you expect the bulk of our goals to come from this year round???none of these young lads are proven goalscorers in league 1, listen I hope Tyler Roberts / rob hall when fit really push on and score a hat full!!!! Most not all but most successful teams have two goal machines right or wrong??!! Shearer/Cole, Yorke/Cole, Messi/Suarez, These are just examples of 20 goals each a season partnerships. You cherry-picked examples and two of those aren't really valid. Shearer and Cole never played together, did they? I assume you meant Sutton. And Messi and Saurez play in front 3. For one of the best club sides in the world, in a league that isn't that competitive, I might add. As for the 2 forwards who score 20+ goals a season. Let's look a little closer into your claim, shall we. I'll use League One as an example because it seems the most logical place to use as an example. I'll use league-only goals for two reasons. 1) It's easier to research. 2) Selfishly, I only really care about the league. Sure a cup run is always nice but league is always priority. So with that said... 2015/16 - 7 clubs had players who scored 20+ goals. No clubs had more than 1 player who scored 20 or more. - Burton's top scorer was Akins with 11. They finished 2nd! 2014/15 - 5 clubs had players who scored 20+ goals. Again no clubs had more than a single player who scored this number. - Bristol City who scored 96 goals that season only had one player in the top 10 scorers and that was Wilbraham with 18. Yes, their top scorer contributed just 18 of those 96 goals. 2013/14 - Similar story really. Just 4 clubs had players who scored more than 20 goals. - The top scorers for Wolves and Brentford - who finished 1st and 2nd - scored 17 each that season. 2012/13 - Only one team (Yeovil) had a player who scored more than during the 2012/13 season. - The top scorer for Doncaster - who won the league - had just 13 goals that year. I feel like this should might change your way of thinking a little. Not just on Taylor, but in general. There's more to a game of football than defenders defend, forwards score and midfielders, er, midfield. Rodney you....!
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Post by plonker on Jul 30, 2016 19:38:25 GMT
You cherry-picked examples and two of those aren't really valid. Shearer and Cole never played together, did they? I assume you meant Sutton. And Messi and Saurez play in front 3. For one of the best club sides in the world, in a league that isn't that competitive, I might add. As for the 2 forwards who score 20+ goals a season. Let's look a little closer into your claim, shall we. I'll use League One as an example because it seems the most logical place to use as an example. I'll use league-only goals for two reasons. 1) It's easier to research. 2) Selfishly, I only really care about the league. Sure a cup run is always nice but league is always priority. So with that said... 2015/16 - 7 clubs had players who scored 20+ goals. No clubs had more than 1 player who scored 20 or more. - Burton's top scorer was Akins with 11. They finished 2nd! 2014/15 - 5 clubs had players who scored 20+ goals. Again no clubs had more than a single player who scored this number. - Bristol City who scored 96 goals that season only had one player in the top 10 scorers and that was Wilbraham with 18. Yes, their top scorer contributed just 18 of those 96 goals. 2013/14 - Similar story really. Just 4 clubs had players who scored more than 20 goals. - The top scorers for Wolves and Brentford - who finished 1st and 2nd - scored 17 each that season. 2012/13 - Only one team (Yeovil) had a player who scored more than during the 2012/13 season. - The top scorer for Doncaster - who won the league - had just 13 goals that year. I feel like this should might change your way of thinking a little. Not just on Taylor, but in general. There's more to a game of football than defenders defend, forwards score and midfielders, er, midfield. Rodney you....! That's Dave to you...
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Post by Young Money on Jul 30, 2016 20:51:50 GMT
Ok let me break down my thinking On this as you obviously like the man!!! Having two frontmen who score goals rather than just one who works hard and one who scores goals would take the pressure A off of let's say hemmings for instance..... Also i would like to know where you expect the bulk of our goals to come from this year round???none of these young lads are proven goalscorers in league 1, listen I hope Tyler Roberts / rob hall when fit really push on and score a hat full!!!! Most not all but most successful teams have two goal machines right or wrong??!! Shearer/Cole, Yorke/Cole, Messi/Suarez, These are just examples of 20 goals each a season partnerships. You cherry-picked examples and two of those aren't really valid. Shearer and Cole never played together, did they? I assume you meant Sutton. And Messi and Saurez play in front 3. For one of the best club sides in the world, in a league that isn't that competitive, I might add. As for the 2 forwards who score 20+ goals a season. Let's look a little closer into your claim, shall we. I'll use League One as an example because it seems the most logical place to use as an example. I'll use league-only goals for two reasons. 1) It's easier to research. 2) Selfishly, I only really care about the league. Sure a cup run is always nice but league is always priority. So with that said... 2015/16 - 7 clubs had players who scored 20+ goals. No clubs had more than 1 player who scored 20 or more. - Burton's top scorer was Akins with 11. They finished 2nd! 2014/15 - 5 clubs had players who scored 20+ goals. Again no clubs had more than a single player who scored this number. - Bristol City who scored 96 goals that season only had one player in the top 10 scorers and that was Wilbraham with 18. Yes, their top scorer contributed just 18 of those 96 goals. 2013/14 - Similar story really. Just 4 clubs had players who scored more than 20 goals. - The top scorers for Wolves and Brentford - who finished 1st and 2nd - scored 17 each that season. 2012/13 - Only one team (Yeovil) had a player who scored more than during the 2012/13 season. - The top scorer for Doncaster - who won the league - had just 13 goals that year. I feel like this should might change your way of thinking a little. Not just on Taylor, but in general. There's more to a game of football than defenders defend, forwards score and midfielders, er, midfield. Great post - actually using logic and facts, a rarity on here. Going against that and just on a hunch(!), you often seem to see a team at this level with a runaway top goalscorer in the league, yet they only finish like 4th-7th, not right at the top.
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Post by m on Jul 30, 2016 21:08:07 GMT
An interesting point has been raised here.
Is it right or fair that Dunkley scores goals? It is, after all, his job to defend.
I have written to Appleton and Lenhagen to see if these goals can be 'struck off' somehow.
I'm also concerned that he might be pulled out of position and end up defending on either the left or right of the pitch - clearly the remit of our full backs!
It's a minefield*
*in my opinion, I am allowed one, that's what a forum's for**
**not counteracting opinions though***
***in my opinìon, I am allowed one, that's what a forum's for.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Jul 30, 2016 22:51:18 GMT
I'm no Taylor fan but jeez this thread is almost troll-level bait.
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Post by bigfella72 on Jul 31, 2016 9:37:20 GMT
Taylor is a handful for defenders and he's the sort of player CB hate to come up against. The players that can challenge them for every header and a player that will create space for our other attackers to go into. Having thought about that, I wonder if actually CBs do prefer to play against orthodox target men like Taylor rather than unpredictable types like Hylton? They know that with opponents like Taylor they have to watch for the second ball, but with players like Hylton they never know what might happen next. Probably depends on the CB? I know I'd prefer to play against Taylor than Hylton but then my strength was strength and reading the game over speed!
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jul 31, 2016 9:47:32 GMT
Breaking news, OUFC to use a SQUAD of players for the season. IMO Taylor will start less games than the other strikers. I think Thomas and Hemmings will be the first choice pairing so why you have decided to go on a rant about Taylor does seem strange.
Any way Oxfordfan I will let you carry on filling out the back of that stamp with your knowledge of football.
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Post by onlyme on Jul 31, 2016 9:50:30 GMT
LOL βπ»βπ»βπ»βπ»βπ»your clever!!! You are not. (Your? / You're?)
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Post by woodageoufc on Jul 31, 2016 11:27:42 GMT
My favourite part of this poll was just how immaculately unbiased the OP managed to keep it ('remembering strikers are judged on goals') ππ
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